r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

Chugging tea Did Metallica get the message?

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u/taylordevin69 9h ago

Why is anyone desperate for metallicas political opinion do you need them to tell you how to think

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u/ChrisHaze 8h ago

I don't think anybody would say anything if Metallica didn't say anything. Honestly, Idk why people thought Metallica was metal after the whole Napster thing. Basically sellouts since the early 2000s

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u/kf97mopa 7h ago

Sellouts since ”Friends don’t let friends get F*R*I*E*N*D*S haircuts”.

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u/the_Skeleton_king93 8h ago

The Napster thing was more valid than people think. Bands make money from album and merch sales. Albums sales these days are basically dead because of streaming and you can see how negatively its effected the music industry

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u/zenwalrus 7h ago

Then they shouldn’t have tossed their conviction into the toilet after telling their fans at early concerts to record their concerts and spread them around.

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u/Effective-Detail3043 36m ago

There’s a big difference between recording a live show and ripping off studio material. Wouldn’t you agree?

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u/kikimaru024 7h ago

Bands make money from ticket sales & merch.

Albums are an up-front payment from the studios who take most of the money from those sales back.

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 7h ago

The smartest thing Blink-182 did was keep their merch rights.

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u/ChrisHaze 8h ago

Well Metallica won, Napster failed and now bands don't get paid legally now! They didn't hate streaming, they hated "pirating" which now streaming is a legal and bands still don't get paid. Considering that they aren't protesting Spotify shows that a)it was never about artists and b)they are a bunch of corpo sellouts.

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u/Pickaroonie 7h ago

The, 'napster thing' affected people's lives, it wasn't some abstract. One of the accused, dragged through the courts for years.. She worked as a maid, single mom.. was still trying to sort out her legal affairs as late as 2017. So that she wouldn't have a financial sledgehammer hanging over her for the rest of her working life.

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u/memymomeddit 5h ago

Bands only make a small percentage from album sales, most of that money goes to the record company (which was why the industry went so hard against Napster). Bands have always made most of their money from touring, streaming isn't really taking much away from them even though the overall numbers are smaller.

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u/Razzmatazz-rides 5h ago

Were you alive when Napster happened? I don’t know where people got the idea that album sales were where most bands made money. Record contracts paid absolute peanuts to bands until they had enough clout to negotiate better rates. Songwriters had a statutory rate of like 1.5%, and the writers almost always got paid more than the bands. Merch was always the cornerstone of a band’s finances, touring was always second. Album sales were always low revenue and diminishing returns. Ticket sales were a much bigger business and that’s why TicketMaster was the next target.

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u/traumfisch 2h ago

Napster wasn't a streaming service

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u/Fold_Small 4h ago

Why are they sell outs? Do you work for free?

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u/ChrisHaze 4h ago

Nope, but they wouldn't have seen a single red cent more if Napster got banned. They were potesting for their corporate overlords. Thus, making them sellouts. I don't work for free, but I would sell out my company for a peanut butter sandwich

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u/Fold_Small 4h ago

So you are a big fan of AI stealing peoples intellectual property and art I am guessing?

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u/ChrisHaze 4h ago

Why would I be a fan of a big company stealing other people's arts and IP? Napster made no money off of other people's stuff, AI companies do. I take it you are though since you seem to be a big fan of companies fucking over artists, songwriters, producers, and most other people in creative industries.

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u/Fold_Small 4h ago

Napster had advertising everywhere.

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u/Fold_Small 4h ago

…and you are directly stealing from the artists producers etc by using Napster. Do you know what Napster was?

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u/ChrisHaze 4h ago

They were pirating music. Just like all pirated stuff, it never hurts the artists. At worst, you never have people listen to music and they would never be a fan. Best case, they become a fan, got to a concert and get merch which does significantly more for a band than album sales. Also, if they cared at all, they would be protesting Spotify and all streaming since it fucks over more artists than Napster ever could dream of, but they don't because they never gave a shit. Their corpo handlers told them to protest so they did. It was never about artists, never about music. They were sellouts. That's the end of the discussion. If you can't see that, there is no point in talking any more

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u/Fold_Small 3h ago

Back then artists got advances on record sales. Record sales paid back the advances. Pirating made it so ARTISTS couldn’t pay back advances. You were directly taking money out of their pockets by pirating and not buying the album (if you would have bought the album instead of pirating)

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u/Effective-Detail3043 37m ago

Lars was right to go after Napster.