The violent mobs are often a result of the failure of the democratic process; people rarely riot for sport
Any history book would cover this well enough
Edit: Jan 6th gets hate because it was an attempted subversion of the democratic where people die. Was more than broken windows and angry constituents.
What was the failure of the democratic process? Why aren't they initiating a national referendum by getting the signatures, if it is such an overwhelmingly popular issue?
Are you talking about Jan 6th? Because that was about a bunch of morons spurred on by the outgoing president and his party
Or the French? I am positive that riots are over the cost of living and decay of public educational institutions amidst political stagnation (e.g. the powers that be are doing nothing to actively help alleviate the populace’s concerns, thus protests and riots). But I’m not an expert of French politics.
That's not true, a lot of other countries are making actual sensible reforms.
Why don't super welfare centric countries like Denmark and Norway even think that 62yo retirement age is sustainable and would lead to financial black hole? In fact Denmark already has legislated further increase in 2040..
France pension system is not that much in the red, in 2025, it was 5.8 billions in debt (mostly due to the public service), but the complementary had a small excess of money, there is also still 90 billions of 'reserve' from when the system had excess.
In comparison, Macron cut taxes by 76 billions a year, a good part were for the richest families.
The government also give 160 billions euros in tax cut or incentives for private company each year without any overview on if it really help keep jobs or is really used to invest in France.
Yes, we need to change the pension system slightly to have a smaller deficit, but what need to be done is mostly to freeze the pension for a few years (but to keep increasing the minimum to follow inflation rates). We already need 43 years to have a full pension, it means most people will not retire before 65-68 years in the near future. Macron's government reform of pension system was shit and was only for future retiree, which help nothing with the 5.8 billions deficit of today.
Basically, there is a constitutional provision that allows the government to bypass any voting on finance laws. This provision has been massively abused for more than a decade now, and the simple mention of 49.3 breeds hate in many French minds.
Basically, none of the finance laws of the last decade followed the normal democratic process
And a referendum to change the constitution to prevent the government from doing just that in the future is one of the main demand of the major left party
Because it was prompted and led by fascist paramilitaries, utilizing the mass participation of people riled up with lies about the election, culture war bullshit and incoherent goals. A bunch of angry strongman bullshit that jumped the shark and inherently would make a more justly aimed attempt far less viable.
I didn’t clutch my pearls at the idea of an attempted overthrow of an ineffective and corrupt government, but it was clear to any willing to see that the cadre in charge would rather hang the people than find them better represented. Especially after the several prior months of the same groups mobilizing to DC to attack BLM demonstrators.
What's in the ineffective and undesirable government is in the eye of the beholder. They thought that Biden was that and wanted to overthrow him, why is it wrong when they do it?
They were sold a lie of a stolen election. They were acting on many derisions of their fellow Americans that have been propagated to serve wealthy parties.
Trump is not a more effective or desirable leader, he just sold people on that and played on their sycophantic tendencies towards projections of strength and tradition.
This action was the culmination of an upswell of white nationalist organizing over the course of Trump’s first term (and slightly preceding). It was led by people who were core to that, or sought to ride the momentum.
Jan 6 was a racist violent mob. Today's french protests are anti racist and anti fascist.
The government and their cops are the most violent and dangerous violent mob.
Because you can vote for the one that will fuck you in the ass doesn't make it a democracy.
France isn't a democracy. When you have a President and his government that can force laws to be passed against the vote of the parliament you're not in a democracy anymore.
When your people's only way to be heard is to riot, you're not in a democracy anymore
You're shifting the goal posts. Not what I'm talking about.
Macron used the 49.3 28 times. It allows him to overrun the parliament vote to pass a law. Does that sound like a democracy to you?
Macron dissolved the government which lead to LFI winning the legislative vote. The people said they wanted a left majority government which traditionally means the leading force can chose its Prime Minister. Did Macron do that? No.
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u/Wayoutofthewayof 5h ago
Exactly, violent mobs should be deciding the direction of the country, not the democratic process.
Why is there also so much hate towards Jan 6th? They took the matters into their own hands as well.