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u/LarianDivinityBG3 4h ago
Peaceful protests aren't one of France strenghts.
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u/AirborneCritter 4h ago
Protests used to be way more violent in the first half of the 20th century. There used to be deaths possible at any strike from either side of the police or the protesters.
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u/penguindreams 4h ago
But historically their protests have gotten more done than American protests whether peaceful or not. France has a good reputation for having both actually. Their farmers protested peacefully and it made a difference. Look where the US is now.
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u/TheGeeseKilledMyMom 4h ago edited 3h ago
Yes, but I’d like to add that some what paradoxically that’s a problem. They have an unsustainable pension system that the country’s economists agree is driving the country into unsustainable debt and when there’s some kind of attempt to to reform the French lose their minds. Now the literal IMF is telling the French to, “Get their house in order” a statement that you’d think would be reserved for developing nations, which are the ones who usually get attention from the IMF. Personally, I admire the French in their ability to spark a true protest with a voice to contend with, but in this case it may be to the detriment of the French people, sadly.
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u/BobFuel 55m ago
The pension system is a mess to change because it was basically built like a generational ponzy scheme. To reform it means that whatever generation living through the reform gets fucked, hence why there's so much resistance to any change...
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u/Careful_Manager_4282 2h ago
Governments created the issue, I didn't see any politicians resigning the second they realized this is broken. They kept cashing in their monthly checks and benefits, yeah? Good. Now they must fix it. If not, it's prison time and confiscation of their property. When one takes over a political office, he/she must assume full responsibility too.
You can't have the pie full and eat it too.
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u/TheGeeseKilledMyMom 2h ago
People voted in the government, demanded excess spending, protested and the government conceded. It’s the people who determine policy in a democracy like France.
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u/PureXEye 4h ago edited 4h ago
We Americans just need to straight up stop feeding into the system that's screwing us. Doing marches and holding up signs doesn't do shit.
Truckers, railroad workers, port workers, and warehouse workers need to go on strike. This will absolutely fuck the system if there is no economy flowing through. The big corpos will have to come to the table then, because we all know the big corpos and "our greatest ally" are really the ones in charge.
Our politicians are too beholden to them, it doesn't matter who you vote the fuck in. There's too much money being thrown around. We the people have the power to just halt everything. We then need to also support those on strike who are out of work. It just sucks knowing how divided we are now. Everyday the media pushes out a new story to divide us by race, gender, religion, etc. Your neighbor is not your enemy.
We are supposed to be the well organized ones that they are afraid of. Unfortunately the method of divide and conquer wasn't just a saying and it actually works.
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u/AdPlenty6904 3h ago
Our greatest ally reference, careful palantir drone is on the way to your house lol. Good to see some truth in these comments.
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u/NoExtreme2402 2h ago
Problem is everyone thinks the politician that matches their favorite color is on their side when that couldn't be further from the truth. IDC if your republican or democrat not a single damn politician cares about the common folk or working class because none of them are in those classes. Everything they campaign for is just to get your votes so that once they are in office they can expand their portfolios and networth.
Politicians dont make jack yet somehow always come out making lots more whether through lobbying deals, insider trading and so on.
But the mentality is always the same so nothing will ever change. People keep falling for the same lies again and again and refuse to do their own independent research and just blindly trust their favorite influencer, celebrity, or biased news source.
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u/SewerSquirrel 1h ago
I had a dim ass view of people in general before this, but this shit's soooo goddamn obvious and yet 95% of the population is so painfully stupid they can't see the truth. I don't understand anymore.
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u/InfiniteWaffles58364 2h ago
I agree wholeheartedly, but the main issue I think is fuels. At this point, we need them to live. People need gas to go to work, people need power for their homes and hospitals, etc. Where is the viable, affordable, attainable alternative? We can't just stay home and not work, not take our kids to school. I am wondering how we can overcome that one burden in particular as the market is pretty much cornered there.
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u/COUPOSANTO 4h ago
Farmers protests are absolutely not peaceful. They vandalise the areas they occupy with manure and in the last one they burned down buildings.
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u/koukaracha 3h ago
Famers did it peacefully? Haha what a lie. They did vendalise a bunch of stuff. The only difference is the police response ordered by the government. Why? Because they have a better nuisance value with there equipment, they are scaring them. Also they mostly vote to the right. So they want to keep them on their side.
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u/flopisit32 3h ago
European English: "violent rioting and destruction of property".
American English: "gettin' stuff done".
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u/Wayoutofthewayof 4h ago
Exactly, violent mobs should be deciding the direction of the country, not the democratic process.
Why is there also so much hate towards Jan 6th? They took the matters into their own hands as well.
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u/TheTokist 3h ago
Aren’t the people who orchestrated January 6th currently in power.
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u/Kneegrowdeluxe 4h ago
Everything that isn't bolted down is getting thrown at the police.
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u/patriotfanatic80 4h ago
And this is about not enough teachers and unfunded school infrastructure?
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u/Independent-Pack-922 4h ago
For the past week, it was. But for the 17th of October, they called for many other groups to join, from different jobs and political backgrounds. It's a general thing here, they're tired of this dystopian future, there isn't much of revendications here.
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u/Ok_Loquat_3860 4h ago
No today is also gilets jaunes (inequalities, price of life) and rural workers.
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u/Le_Zoru 3h ago
Yep, so the discontent is also about rising cost of living, unemployment and general issues with Macron pro-rich people politics.
Also police brutality, this thing would never have taken such proportion had the cops acted normaly in front of the highschoolers in the past weeks. Now everybody is very fed up with the cops too, and you have tens of thousands of GenZers shouting ACAB in the streets for the first time.
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u/JackieDaytona77 4h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf
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u/UseApprehensive4228 3h ago
Not quite. First of all, today was not about schools specifically, a whole lot of people from different lines of work joined in. Second of all, for the schools situation, you have to make a difference between the students who protest over actual revendications and the ones who took advantage of it to break stuff. I go to school in France and participated a little in peaceful protests, students are genuinely mad that their thing got ruined
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u/gammagamerx 4h ago
I wonder who sips tea watching this.
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u/watcher_space 4h ago
I did
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2h ago
Me too. Unsustainable government spending was bound to piss people off eventually. Good for those citizens! We should all be protesting every penny spent that can't be afforded.
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u/nn2597713 3h ago
The French when there’s any minor inconvenience: set the country alight.
Americans when their country’s set alight: that’s a minor inconvenience.
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u/Ok-Boysenberry-3066 1h ago
can you imagine someone like Trump ruling in France? They would eat him...literally
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u/Gullible_Process6391 4h ago
People will cheer this on and then they'll be shocked when Le Pen wins the next election.
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u/Fluffy-Greenn 4h ago
This is exactly what's gonna happen. People don't learn until it's too late and then act surprised.
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u/Gullible_Process6391 4h ago
Reddit is under the impression that the average working person has a positive reaction to such things. I knew Trump was gonna get reelected when I saw those videos of people in California burning down city blocks while waving Mexican flags.
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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 4h ago
She doesn't need to campaign. She can just relax at home it's already won.
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u/AirborneCritter 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yeah the one who's party members are known not to show up the european parliament, the one that was comdamned for "derailing" public funds, the one who's party has ties to Putin's Russia and received money from russian banks, the one who's party's logo is the same as the italian's fascist party logo. The one who's party is know to have been funded by some SS and the notoriously racist negationist Jean Marie Le Pen.
The one party that always claims to defend workers' rights but never votes laws that would actually help them at the assembly, but acts all shocked when Macron or others from his governement violate peoples' rights or create austerity when it's what they have planned.
The one that had to have secret meetings with rich CEOs to reassure them about what the party wanted to do politically.
Hard to say where the public opinion will go but it doesn't seem to be favorable to the police.
Now there will be a match but it won't be a landslide for the RN.
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u/fuzzygreentits 4h ago
They were shocked that a banking exec sold them out.
They might just be fucking stupid.
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u/Martha_Fockers 4h ago edited 4h ago
Three weeks ago the Albanian protests were peaceful than they started posting the French protests in three subs saying the French are willing die for far less than what we are protesting this cute flamingo protest we have haas been going on for months and we’ve gotten nothing in return still
Now it’s exactly the same as this in Albania.
French inspiring protesters
Also the fact a few days ago police dragged a man with a visibly broken leg on the roads and it went viral and ignited tensions regionally surely didn’t help the police lol
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u/Le_Zoru 3h ago
In France there was a video of a teen being shot point blank with a grenade launcher that kind of played this role too
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u/lowie07 3h ago
This needs to be higher, idiots here condoning this way of "protesting" are fucking naive
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u/Top_Crow931 3h ago
It's bad over here man. It's only getting worse with each boat.
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u/batiwa 4h ago
I'm not approving the lootings and violence but october 17th wasn't planned for the students in the first place, it was about the gas prices and the exploding cost of life so it's not surprising to see adults.
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u/Top_Crow931 4h ago
It's literally just an excuse to riot and burn and loot, like it always is. I've been dealing with French "protests" for years now.
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u/ethelbang 1h ago
Please educate yourself about may 1968, there was way more destruction and violence from the protesters and surprise surprise, they were mostly "français de souche" and french history books now paint this protest as heroic.
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u/fliflu_ 4h ago
To educate : this is not a student only manifestation, it is a all citizen manifestation, mostly because student starter the heat, but people followed because price of gas, tax ect.. So you will see citizen that doesn't look like students and its normal
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u/Even-Stranger5764 2h ago
Yeah students hand got blown off and more people were involved. Unfortunately im seeinf a lot of people yet again blame immigeants and black people in this thread.
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u/us1549 4h ago edited 1h ago
France is broke and need to cut something like 130b from it's budget annually by 2030.
If they don't, bond yields will skyrocket making their fiscal pain even more pronounced. They need to raise taxes, cut retiree benefits and raise the retirement age.
Either France does it on their own terms or the bond market will do it for them.
Their social benefits have been much too rich for too long for an economy that isn't growing. It sucks for young people but the math is the math.
France needs a president that will explain that to the French people as most are not experts in bond yields and budget deficits relative to GDP. The last few presidents have tried and the people have responded by rioting.
Great explanation of France's fiscal crisis
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u/Available_Fact_3445 3h ago
Nah, they need to balance the budget, which means tackling tax evasion and fraud by the rich. This Rothschild's very own boy Macron has (obviously) failed to do, and it's about time France got a government to do it
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u/Agreeable-Letter-599 2h ago
or they could tax the rich.
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u/ddg31415 1h ago
They already do. And all the rich people just take their money elsewhere.
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u/Moe-Mux-Hagi 53m ago
Tell me you don't understand socioeconomics without telling me you don't understand socioeconomics
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u/RevolutionPublic7557 1h ago
You already have one of the highest tax burdens in Europe. If you add a wealth tax on top of that you'll kill whatever growth you already don't have. The wealth tax will not close the gap, and the reduced growth will start increasing the gap again since growth doesn't keep up with inflation.
There is no path out of this without some pain. At least make sure you have a future. Invest in your youth. Don't dump all your money into your elders, that's not a way to build a future.
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u/S0uNDJaN 1h ago
The taxes for the rich have been cut under Macron which did not result in more growth.
Yes, reforms will be painful but why should always the poor and middle class feel the pain while the rich get richer even in a crisis?
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u/MeganDryer 1h ago
This is nonsense. Taxes for the rich have been cut in France repeatedly leading to economic contraction, and have remained high for labor. You don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Quinnvannice 17m ago
60% of France’s GDP is government spending. It is nearly economically impossible to tax yourself out of a deficit with that ratio.
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u/RobbinDeBank 3h ago
Old people fucking over younger generations, a tale that spans the globe.
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u/TorchbeareroftheStar 2h ago edited 2h ago
You say that but France like many European countries have been living beyond their means. Everything is subsidized and government supported (from healthcare, pensions, transportation, education, etc). This worked when France had a smaller population and a bigger working class, but now with those costs growing, it's hard to keep up. The problem is though most people in France don't want to accept the reality that they can't pay for all this anymore. Both young and old aren't willing to make concessions.
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u/tellit11 3h ago
It’s a lot more complicated than that. Their system worked when resources were plentiful.. now that isn’t the case and so it must change. Read a little instead of regurgitating whatever you hear the morons spouting.
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u/East-Doctor-7832 1h ago
The only way they fucked them was by not giving birth to enough young people . When they stopped having enough children they started borrowing from the future to live beyond their means .
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u/Cute_Disaster_6867 2h ago
Boomers refuse to accept any changes to the pension system, while the left keeps demanding higher taxes and more social spending. At this rate, we're screwed.
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u/Cantripping_ 1h ago
Higher taxes for the rich.
The poor die if you tax them too much. The rich don't. It's a very easy equation.
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u/Cute_Disaster_6867 1h ago
Except that France is already one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. We’re already well above the average for developed countries.
The problem isn’t “not enough taxes on the rich.”
The problem is that the money is massively wasted, that there’s waste and corruption at every level, and that we have a pension system that’s a ticking time bomb.Raising taxes even more solves nothing when the state spends 57% of GDP and the results (schools, hospitals, security, infrastructure) are stagnating or getting worse.
It’s not a revenue problem. It’s a management and structural problem.But hey, keeping on believing that “more taxes = more justice” when we’re already at the ceiling is intellectually comfortable.
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u/Slatemanforlife 3h ago
I dont see a guillotine, so this is peaceful, for France.
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u/QuantumRenard 4h ago
They never went there to protest. They are rioters and looters. Every fucking time. They are legion, and our police and justice do near to nothing against this cancer.
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u/Careful_Turnip_3197 4h ago
Tf are they protesting?
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u/jaunesolo81829 4h ago edited 4h ago
They say about schools. France doesn’t have money apparently to fund both schools and the country very generous pensions. I believe the pension they give at the moment is above the average wage and their retirement age is low. Add in an aging population and the money for pensions have to come from somewhere. I think the pension spending of the French government is like 10 to 12? Percent of their gdpz
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u/That_Seasonal_Fringe 4h ago
This is the first generation of average retired having better living conditions than average working people.
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u/Valuable-Ad7285 4h ago
The retirement age and pensions are 100% the problems. They are well under the average in Europe. Combine that with an aging population and a yearly €60 BILLION (growing to €120B atm) spend on depth interest alone. France is fucked.
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u/thestridereststrider 3h ago
Yup. It’s either debt crisis or cuts to government spending. It’s political suicide to make cuts so no one has.
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u/GeneralMuffins 2h ago
I mean, it won’t be. Governments/parties pursuing austerity tend to be quite popular at the ballot box during times of economic stress.
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u/CheesecakeWitty5857 4h ago
That’s not the protest. That’s on the side of it, the “breakers” (casseurs) also called black blocks.
no one cares why they do that, so no one knows why, beside that they hate the police, which explains nothing.
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u/moisturized69tatas 4h ago
France is going broke. And education budgets inflation adjusted have been slashed for a long time and now France is spending more money on their military, students want better education not more tanks. But these people are just destroying shit because they want to.
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u/WuTangNameGenerat0r 4h ago
These particular people aren’t protesting anything. They just cause damage because they are opportunists.
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u/AirborneCritter 4h ago edited 3h ago
As people have said, budget for schools and to prevent private education from being the only reliable source of education, as this austerity against public schools and defunds is the idea.
Other than that also the rage from years under a government that very very very rarely listens and imposes austerity through all aspects of life in France, all while the country is economically pretty rich.
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u/PracticalSyllabub514 3h ago
Protests probably started peacefully, the hen the government sent in the riot police to fuck with people, now they're fighting back.
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u/ShoulderWhich5520 2h ago
From what I've gathered the current president (or their equivalent) has been encouraging the use of force on protesters, some incidents under reported include a protesters hand being blown off by a grenade of some kind, choking a 14 year old girl, and smashing a protesters head through a window.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 3h ago
I doubt one of those protesters gives a shit about their education.
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u/mianao 3h ago
It’s sometimes hard to reconcile the fiery nature of the French (including French Revolution) with this romantic version of themselves
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u/CMDRDrazik 4h ago
even if I squint, I still can't imagine Americans raging like this against Trump
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u/leftleftpath 4h ago
Because they're all sitting here criticizing these protestors like complacency makes them any better or morally righteous.
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u/Calculonx 3h ago
They'll say "what are we supposed to do? Fight back? The police will stop us." And if you suggest to bring your guns, "they'll shoot us" ... We know, but before this they kept on shouting how they needed guns in case a dictator took over the country and made themselves king then they would be able to fight back!
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u/therallykiller 3h ago
I hope that in between rock throws, these folks thank their lucky stars this is France and not China.
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u/Unlikely-Complex3737 4h ago
Why are redditors always glazing these rioters. "The French are so good at protesting man!" Come one dawg...
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u/AnonSwan 4h ago
Wow what did France do to cause such a riot?
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u/MeatyMagnus 3h ago
Cost of living has gone up to fast and the young are feeling the squeeze
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u/semi-proantfarmer 4h ago
Something about class sizes and old schools.
The French have a history of riots turning into revolutions.
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u/Ipseicin 3h ago
It was for the last month, but today’s protests had larger revendications and more diverse actors
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u/Alternative-Cat4143 3h ago
Macron. He taxes the working class heavily, cuts funds for social programs, schools, and healthcare to give payouts to big companies and rich donors, militarises the police and encourages them to use weapons (yes, weapons) against protesters (including kids) strips away worker's benefits, raised the retirement age.... People are fed up.
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u/DueTour4187 2h ago
This is a very, very lazy, and completely false explanation. Macron has conducted a "centrist populist" policy, spent far too much money, and refused to reform the State. He certainly hasn't cut any funds or militarized the police, pretty much the opposite. But he hasn't made the left-right dialog impossible. What happened is that the left and the right both pretty much disappeared, or got radicalized into far-left and far-right which nurture each other in a stupid competition, and obviously have found their perfect scapegoat: Macron. You sound like a typical far-left propagandist. What we see here in the streets is an insurrection that's engineered, organized by the far left... to the benefit of the far-right.
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u/Prestigious_Bar_3738 4h ago
Open borders
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u/Ipseicin 3h ago
You’re just assigning the meaning you want to this. The reality is more complex and mostly related to the rise of inequalities, of the cost of life, and hostility against the government. It’s crazy to think France just waited for immigrants to protest massively, and sometimes break stuff.
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u/Ok-Volume-3657 4h ago
Peaceful protests get exactly nothing done.
You think we got the 5 day work week because people sat in a circle singing kumbaya?
Your forefathers bled and died doing shit far more violent than this so you would be allowed to have lunch break you ungreatful chud.
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u/Subject-Act5509 3h ago
Yes, yes, as always show the 1% violent people and disregard the reasonable wishes of the other 99%
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u/Odd_Mushroom_8322 4h ago
I mean, by french standards, this IS pretty peaceful.
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u/DueTour4187 4h ago
No. This is complete chaos. Insurrection, not demonstrations. (I am French, I got around Paris on my bike today). Hords of guys in black, face covered. Fires, explosions. Many stores destroyed. This is engineered by the far left; who knows is pulling the strings in the background.
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u/That2ndIowanGuy 4h ago
The poor conservatives are sad that the police don’t have a monopoly on violence 😭
Same people speaking out against these protests applaud when police extrajudiciously kill someone in the street. That boot must taste magnificent!
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u/EzMFe78 2h ago
I'm pro French Police. If I said what I really thought, I'd get banned.
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u/Popular_Tie4688 3h ago
Conservative logic is crazy, "why are they getting in life or death battles with armed and armored killers?" Not because they have a grievance. no, they must be "lazy" because that is what lazy looks like. lol
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u/dirtycimments 3h ago
Americans still could learn a little bit of this French madness. Healthcare companies are literally killing you, by the thousands.
The French are going overboard of course.
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u/Neverborn 4h ago
The French fight harder for what they want from their government than we have seen here in the States in nearly a hundred years. They also do it often.
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u/VariationUpper2009 3h ago
Nothing to see here. Just some hard working students begging for increased education spending so they can be contributing members of an enlightened society.
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u/Iamjustanothercliche 4h ago
France is indeed a third world country now.
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u/Cute_Disaster_6867 2h ago
I'm French, and yes, my country is becoming a third-world country. It's terrifying.
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u/Georgia_Flame 4h ago
Why don't they be peaceful and enjoy masked police murdering them with impunity like the US?
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u/gingernuts71 4h ago
I’m not sure this was ever advertised as a peaceful protest, was it?
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u/Mezzoski 4h ago
Why I don't see this on my news feed from my "info" tv?
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u/Wild-Floor8407 4h ago
Media is controlled by the people in power who dont want this to give other country's citizens ideas.
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u/GoodbyeDespairBoy 4h ago edited 3h ago
Same tactics as it's always been, first peace protesters gather.
Then the cops starts to do intimidation tactics, the peaceful protesters decide to leave, then it's the second hand protesters who just want a fight and so the cops decide to escalate and shoot, then the news start recording, then the politicians get their points and tightens to screws.
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u/mettle_dad 3h ago
Meanwhile we have a president in the US who is continuing yet another illegal war.....is most certainly implicated in the Epstein files directly.....has activated military guard unites against the states consent.....still has guard units in DC.....is trying to force states to review their roles for voters the white house says are non citizens.....some states have complied, the list went form 16000 to 158 and then zero. He's literally involved in too much corruption to even list. Federal agents are still terrorizing our states, several American citizens have been killed. And we have yet another peaceful no kings protest and nothing changes. We have been protesting this administration for several years and it's only gotten worse. 1/3 of the country can't even be bothered to vote. 1/3 thinks bullying trans kids and abortion are worth voting for the fascist. And a decent chunk of the left refuses to vote for democrats because "both parties are the same"....we are a wildly stupid country.
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u/Dead1yNadder 4h ago
Student protests my ass
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u/Independent-Pack-922 4h ago
17th October called for many people, not only students. It includes firefighters, doctors, gilets jaunes ... It's a whole population being fed up
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u/jasno- 4h ago edited 3h ago
The people of france have a history of showing the world the people are in charge. Not their government.
More citizens globally should follow suite
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u/Fit_Elderberry_7236 4h ago
Off topic but I watching this while Aizo was playing and it went together.
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u/No-Duck4828 47m ago
And a bunch of scumbags will be out to defend these violent criminals the instant a police officer fires a rubber bullet...
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u/Apart_Assumption3591 36m ago
French here.
Little explanation.
People you see in the video aren’t protesters, they’re just using the occasion to spread chaos and violence everywhere, most of them are just trying to steal from shops too.
In France we call them “casseurs” so “breakers” in English, they’re literally here just to break stuff.
On the other hand today there were more peaceful demonstrations, but sadly, because of these goobers we will only remember the bad images and the damage done by these losers.
Anyway have a good day
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u/69FunkyButtLovin69 5m ago
If Americans had even an ounce of brains or balls this is what they’d be doing
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