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u/Inevitable-Rub-6700 3d ago
War , uh , what is it good for , absolutely nothing
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u/ObsessiveUselessness 3d ago
Makings banks by selling weapons and medicines to both sides.
Ofc a regular joe thinks its good for nothing.
The people who start the wars are the ones profiting from it.
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u/According-Insect-992 3d ago
Increasing the suffering and want in the world while also creating a power imbalance that allows power to feed greedily on the suffering of millions for the indeterminate future.
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u/letter_combination 3d ago
War is entirely man made, whether you argue it is avoidable or not. Sickness is mostly still natural, and without a doubt was more so in the past. This is a terrible equivocation that really just goes to show easily we can be persuaded that some coordinated conspiracy is behind anything we don't like.
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 2d ago
War is only profitable if you can compel other country to wage their war using your kit.
USA made killing on WWI because they funded and made supplies for that one, but did not do much fighting until 1918, same goes for Japanese.
USA did NOT make a profit on WWII itself, because the immediate war time profits were actually regulated within inch of its life and a lot of US lives were lost.
What USA MADE a right humongous killing on was being the only guys with intact economy at the war's end
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u/Suitable_Way865 3d ago
The most profitable sectors are banking/finance then entertainment/leisure. So if your theory was that the powers that be make the world the way it is to maximize profitable industry then they would want as many people to have big bank accounts/portfolios and be spending money on luxury items as possible.
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u/AdInfamous6290 3d ago
No, banks don’t make money off of peoples bank accounts. They would want everyone to be in as much debt as possible, ideally having those people use that debt to finance entertainment and leisure.
Wait…
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u/immanent12 2d ago
Yes but the biggest debt is incurred by war and welfare
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u/AdInfamous6290 2d ago
The federal government is $40 trillion in debt, the American people are $20 trillion in debt while American companies are $24 trillion in debt. But the banks make a lot more money on interest payments from people and companies than the government. Don’t get me wrong, war and welfare are good for business, but consumerism and speculation are even better.
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u/SuccotashOther277 3d ago
People live longer than ever and the % of people engaged in combat is at all time lows.
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u/NEWSmodsareTwats 3d ago
you mean software. tech companies are the valuable companies because they are the most profitable.
RTX has a net profit margin of 8.28%
For Microsoft it's 40.31%
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u/bswontpass 3d ago
Absolute bullshit. There's a stat for the most profitable businesses and both military and pharmaceutical are just a few and far down in top 100 list.
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u/Londin2021 3d ago
I love the way the candy, chips and any other kind of junk imaginable are placed right next to the pharmacy. Genius merchandising!
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
It gets complicated when illness-producing technology becomes the most lucrative weapon in a War
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u/Key-Organization3158 2d ago
Yeah. Objectively false. Tech and consumer goods have vastly higher margins and are easier to produce.
What's more difficult: developing a slightly thinner iPhone or a brand new mRNA vaccine?
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u/Mourningstar66 2d ago
They forget that they cant make money of everyone is dead, so keeping people alive is way better for business
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u/Intelligent-Band-852 3d ago
There is indeed flaws in for profit healthcare but people are living longer than ever and many diseases and illnesses have been cured. I get why people are skeptical of the U.S. healthcare system but the amount of ignorance with conspiracy theorists doesn’t help. By and large modern medicine is a great thing for everyone.
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u/Slow_Lion_4178 3d ago
War isn't profitable.
Selling peace via threat of war is.
No one buys firearms because the world is safe.
Same with illness.
Selling health is profitable.
Keeping people sick is severely unprofitable.
One of the best ways to make money is to sell people things like insurance for things that will never happen. Safety sells.
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
"Keeping people sick is severely unprofitable."
Somebody was sleeping through Ruling Psychopath Class, I see! The "ideal" situation is keeping people sick but not so sick that they die too early; they need to "live" as dependents on palliating "medicines" and more "medicines" to fix what the previous course of "medicines" damaged.
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u/Slow_Lion_4178 2d ago
It's a nice fantasy but the reality is that the majority of government spending is done to keep old people alive and old people are actually not very profitable when it comes to insurance or healthcare because they're high liability, high contingency and low treatability.
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago edited 2d ago
"It's a nice fantasy"
The "fantasy" I'm seeing here is somebody's hard-on for Euthanasia. But, yeah: "Big Pharma"... nothing but one bad fiscal year after another, right? But think about this one: the money spent on keeping those wretched old "Useless Eaters" alive... is it possible that much of that goes to, for example, local vendors? Local care workers? Or do you think all that money goes right to Russia?
EDIT: if this comment seems redundant, in the thread, it's because it was originally removed, by moderation, then reinstated, on appeal, because my sarcasm had been misread (I appreciate the mods for being fair on this one).
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
Not entirely sure why some Mod was offended by my previous comment, but here is the next attempt: Where do you think the bulk of the mone spent, on those old people, goes (after the top is skimmed): local vendors, perhaps? Local care workers? Institutional staff/ crew? People seem to forget that the magical phrase "government spending" often also means "jobs".
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u/Slow_Lion_4178 2d ago
No, the money actually disappears. That's the problem. You see, we imagine that the payments go out into the communities but in reality the payments come from the government which pays itself with those payments after charging taxes on the businesses that take their own payments.
If Nvidia was bad with circular financing the government is 100x worse. Monetary policy then expands or contracts the amount of cash, growing or destroying the pile, so basically it doesn't actually exit the system in any real way because everything is taxed back into itself which makes it unsustainable because the tax rate is lower than the payout rate.
In short-hand medicare pays out $1 and gets $.60 back.
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
But the real world, on the ground, result is local people working paying jobs to keep these old people alive. Of course all sorts of subtle economic processes are robbing the 99% by the minute, but my first point is that it seems laughable to suggest that The Pharmaceutical Industr isn't eye-waterringly lucrative (for those placed well within it), and the "cost" of life support for the terminally ill includes money paid to local workers, wherever the money comes from.
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u/Slow_Lion_4178 2d ago
Man you really don't understand the system. Private Equity has completely gutted retirement homes and hospice care so no, there aren't many people benefiting from this, and understaffing is a massive problem with many of these PE firms completely destroying the local hospital and healthcare ecosystems on purpose strip-mining old people for cash.
Pharma makes money off of young and middle-aged people, not old people, which is why most pharma commercials contain young and middle-aged people, if you've not noticed. Most marketing for all of these companies that you're thinking are in on it are geared towards the young and middled aged.
I don't even want to talk about "the real world" and "on the ground" because I don't think you actually work in the space. In fact I am so certain I am extremely confident you don't. Namely because I might have some exposure to these issues. (cough HINT cough)
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
"Man you really don't understand the system."
What I think is this: you're extremely knowledgeable about a particular aspect of this subject, which compels you to pull the discussion a bit off piste, to territory where you're most confident. My initial quibble was with this statement from you:
"Keeping people sick is severely unprofitable."
The meta-question being: "extremely unprofitable" for whom? You've diverted the discussion towards the entities for which "Keeping people sick is severely unprofitable." But that discussion is not particularly pertinent, though it's an area in which you get to display some expertise.
But if people weren't sick, the need for Pharmaceutical products would shrink. The fact that so many people are sick, and getting sicker all the time (quite often as the result of a damaging Medicine-to-Side Effects-to-New Medicine-to-address-Side Effects feedback loop) means that the Pharma Industry is booming. Which contradicts your general assertion.
The point being that claiming that the "Pharma Industry is NOT PROFITABLE" (for anyone) is absurd on the face of it. My acquaintance Google tells us:
Yes, the pharmaceutical industry is consistently one of the most profitable industries globally, with profit margins that regularly exceed those of most other large corporations. [1, 2]
Key Profitability Facts
- Higher Net Margins: Studies (including research published by Harvard Kennedy School) show that major pharmaceutical companies have historically maintained a median net income margin of around 13.7% to 13.8%, compared to roughly 7.7% for standard S&P 500 corporations. [1, 2]
- Return on Invested Capital (ROIC): Analyses of major brand-name drug manufacturers show an average ROIC of around 17.3%, significantly higher than the roughly 11.5% average across other major industries. [1]
- High Gross Margins: Large pharmaceutical firms frequently report gross profit margins upwards of 20% to 40% depending on the product portfolio and patent exclusivity. [1]
- Patent Monopolies: High profitability is largely driven by patent protections that allow companies temporary monopolies on innovative drugs, such as recent high-demand treatments like cancer therapies or weight-loss medications (GLP-1s
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u/Berlin8Berlin 2d ago
"War isn't profitable"
Whoa. You need to go back and research things like the No Bid Contracts handed out to Haliburton, et al, for the reconstruction of Iraq, for example, not to mention the fat contracts for supplying occupying bases, and so forth. Insanely profitable. Consider the Pentagon Price Gouging Scandals ("... real price-gouging and severe markups by defense contractors have been well-documented over the decades (such as $400 plastic knobs, thousands of dollars for simple metal pins or ring seals, and uncompetitive sole-source contracts..."). War is profitable if only because while the Electorate is in a patriotic fervor to kill, kill, kill The Enemy, all kinds of shenanigans go uninvestigated. Not to mention the Viagra-effect so many initial declarations (or strong insinuations) of War have had on the Stock Market... and the fact that US Invasions entail opening Fresh Markets for embedded corporate interests.
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u/Lost_Department_2177 3d ago edited 3d ago
Weirdos causing problems then making profits with their Institutional investor/asset management group portfolios.
Epstein wanted a behavioral modification institute using closed loop behavioral modification which uses triggers to guide a person to do an action.
1. The Stanford Behavioral Engineering Proposal
Unsealed message logs from the Department of Justice show that Epstein personally lobbied tech executives and academics to back an institute dedicated to "genetics behavior". Working closely with elite cognitive neuroscientists, Epstein's concept was to utilize technological systems to decode human behavior and program artificial feedback mechanisms to modify it. [1, 2]
2. Radical Transhumanism and Eugenics
Epstein was deeply embedded in the transhumanism movement—the philosophy of using technology, gene editing, and artificial intelligence to "upgrade" human biology and intellect. Scientists and biographers have noted that his motivations leaned heavily toward a modern form of eugenics. He openly discussed plans to harvest and spread his own DNA, pursue life-extension therapies, and implement population-level genetic and behavioral controls. [1, 2, 3]
3. Cybernetic and "Mind-Reading" Research
Before his death, Epstein funneled (or attempted to funnel) vast sums of money into fringe neuroscientific projects.
Hyperscanning & Telepathy: Unsealed records show he planned to fund research at Goldsmiths, University of London, that utilized EEG hyperscanning to monitor dual-brain activity during supposed telepathic or meditative syncs (though the university ultimately rejected the donation).
Deep Brain Stimulation: He closely tracked developments in invasive neuromodulation—using medical implants that automatically read a patient's electrical brain activity and titrate corrective stimulation to fix perceived psychiatric "deficits". [1, 2]
Coercive "Closed-Loop" Behavior in Practice
While Epstein sought high-tech, cybernetic versions of behavioral modification in academic settings, investigative reporting shows he ran a very real, analog "closed-loop" operation of psychological and physical coercion to maintain control over his victims. He manipulated legal systems, controlled private medical data, and heavily weaponized financial and structural insulation to ensure his human trafficking operation could dynamically adapt to and neutralize external legal interference. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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u/Previous_Soil_5144 3d ago
Mental illness is big business.
A lot of people need the pills. Most just need a sane and healthy world, but they get pills and therapy instead.
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u/LordJim11 3d ago
A lot of grifters make bank with phony meds and therapy. that's true. But less of a problem in a well-regulated health care system.
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 3d ago
I'm amazed by the amount of people I've met who might've never needed therapy or antidepressants if they would have just gotten proper health care to treat their underlying health issues earlier.
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u/Unfair-Variety-995 3d ago
Add to it, it’s a business model where it doesn’t benefit me to make you well. The longer you are ill, the more money I make.
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u/e00s 3d ago
The world has never been sane or healthy and that’s not likely to change anytime soon.
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 3d ago
That's a lie for people to avoid the fact that things have gotten worse and we are all responsible for it.
The world is never perfect, but it turns to shit when most just stop thinking it can be better.
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u/e00s 2d ago
Ok. When was the world “sane and healthy”?
Nobody said it can’t be better than it is.
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 2d ago
Nobody says it. They just get defensive and even angry when you suggest we could do better.
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u/immanent12 2d ago
I say this to leftists about the big pharma/Fauci covid con job and they malfunction
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