So happy it's over for the TPLF

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I never thought this day would come: the day these criminals, shiftas, thieves, murderers, and bandas who have betrayed us and sold us out to Ethiopia and Eritrea time and time again would lose the only thing they truly care about: power.

I'm glad they are finally being kicked out of Tigray, though even this does not feel like enough. I hope this is the end of their rule. I hope they never again return to our lands or show their faces in Tigray as though nothing happened. For these people, losing power, losing their grip over Tegaru, and being cast out of our minds is the worst punishment.

But losing power is only the beginning. One day, they will answer for what they did: for every life lost, every family shattered, every resource exploited for personal gain, every failure, and every betrayal they thought we would forget.

I hope Abiy, Getachew's group, Fano, and Shaebiya also face accountability for the suffering they helped bring upon our people. Every country that provided weaponry, money, and whatever else, supported the PP government, and participated in anyway.

Those who believe we are better off under Abiy simply because they hate the TPLF still don't get it. All of these warmongers are evil!

I hope the time will come when our people should never have to choose between two evils ever again. Tigray deserves leaders who serve the people, protect their rights, and treat their lives and dignity as more important than power.

I hope the day comes when every group responsible for our suffering is held accountable. I hope our people can grieve, rebuild, and live without fear of being used as pawns in someone else's struggle for control.

And I hope, one day, all these groups and all this suffering become distant history.

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I hope Abiy, Getachew's group, Fano, and Shaebiya also face accountability for the suffering they helped bring upon our people. Every country that provided weaponry, money, and whatever else, supported the PP government, and participated in anyway. Those who believe we are better off under Abiy simply because they hate the TPLF still don't get it. All of these warmongers are evil! I hope the time will come when our people should never have to choose between two evils ever again. Tigray deserves leaders who serve the people, protect their rights, and treat their lives and dignity as more important than power. I hope the day comes when every group responsible for our suffering is held accountable. I hope our people can grieve, rebuild, and live without fear of being used as pawns in someone else's struggle for control.

Tigray will not receive justice until it's in a position to demand it and similarly it won't be able to recover from the genocide until things are set in place so it can do so. The unfortunate truth is that in this world, interests come before human rights and Tigray cannot rely on any outside power to help it out of the goodness of their hearts.

The TPLF played a key role in Tigray's post-pretoria suffering based on how they responded to Tigray's internal problems (1) but we cannot ignore that all of Tigray's problems have Abiy at the root of them. If the TPLF were to disappear under the current conditions, things wouldn't get better for Tigray, they would undoubtedly get worse unless by a slim chance Abiy implements the following three things listed here (1) which even then would not protect Tigray in the long-term since he's not hidden his desire to fully revive national oppression.

I understand that the TPLF have a lot of animosity against them based on their mishandling of the situation (1) and their pragmatic yet understandably highly controversial decision to work with Abiy's former co-genociders based on the shared threat he presents (2) but equating them all morally is wrong imo.

Tigray discarding the TPLF would only make sense imo either once Tigray's terrible status quo is decisively overcome or a strong organized independent political force with the support of most Tigrayans is able to replace them.

Also, contrary to what's blasting non-stop from PP propaganda, the war is nowhere near over. Guerrilla warfare necessitates leaving urban areas and this is in line with TPLF's history throughout the 17 year war as well as the TDF's experience in the 2 year genocidal war. Tigray's population is also mostly rural (90%+ iirc) and it was in rural areas that the TPLF traditionally had the most support and crucially it was in rural areas where genocidal atrocities were most committed including by the ENDF.

The images and videos of people coming out to celebrate the TPF as they enter and occupy their towns and cities probably do include some authentic people based on the relief from not being conscripted but there are also elements that cannot be denied to be staged such as people holding Ethiopian flags or more blatantly banners supporting Abiy's war to annex Eritrea's coastal land. The ENDF are also still bombing towns and areas of Tigray they haven't occupied yet and they already killed many in areas they have as they tried to occupy them (E.g. Alamata where 50+ were killed in shelling alone).

I have no doubt that the ENDF are still hated even if the TPF may be hated less so in comparison. The divisive propaganda to split Tigrayans across awraja also continues to be spread from PP and it should be alarming that it's being targeted at the areas that continue to be bombed (E.g Adwa) as imo this could not just be about dividing Tigrayan society but in breaking up solidarity so that what they commit in one area will not incite Tegaru from another.

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Imo, and in the opinion of many Tegaru living in Tigray, we hate the TPLF more than the PP and all the other forces. We're done with these people, and we want to return to our land, Tigray, without fear of being conscripted or of another war breaking out.

We have been betrayed by these forces time and time again, and we won't believe anything they say anymore. We can't rely on them to do anything for the sake of Tegaru. Everything they do, they do to hold on to power.

Imo, they are the root of all our problems, including exposing us to genociders like Abiy and Isaias Afewerki. Abiy certainly doesn't care about Tigray, but neither do they. They aren't the lesser evil at all, and they have oppressed us ever since they came to power.

Well, almost all of us have rejected them, and there’s no going back. When I tell you people are done with the TPLF, I mean it.

Abiy taking control isn't good for Tigray in any way, but, if you ask me, our hatred for these criminals is far greater.

As for the TDF, thousands of soldiers are surrendering. I don't think they'll make a comeback this time. It's just over, and I'm hearing rumors that Eritrea betrayed them, which seems very likely. IMO, Isaias will probably make a deal with Abiy, and these criminals won't come back.

I don't support the ENDF or the TPF, and I'm sure their presence isn't beneficial for Tigray in any way. But I still wouldn't choose the TPLF over them. For me, whoever gets screwed, I'll celebrate.

And yes, we won't get justice now, but this feels like a form of justice to me.

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Imo, and in the opinion of many Tegaru living in Tigray, we hate the TPLF more than the PP and all the other forces.

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. In our previous conversation you claimed to be a Tigrayan law student at AAU (1) so you'd be based in Addis Ababa. On what basis can you say that many Tigrayans living in Tigray hate the TPLF more than the forces that committed genocide against Tigray? That's a ridiculous claim even if the TPLF are understandably hated by many for the reasons I shared earlier.

Imo, they are the root of all our problems, including exposing us to genociders like Abiy and Isaias Afewerki. Abiy certainly doesn't care about Tigray, but neither do they. They aren't the lesser evil at all, and they have oppressed us ever since they came to power.

The ones responsible for the genocide are the ones who committed it and to say that the TPLF are the root of Tigray's problems is ridiculous. The rhetoric you're sharing is one in favor of the genociders and I wouldn't be surprised hearing it from a supporter of the genocide. Also, what do you mean by they oppressed Tigray ever since they gained power? If you're speaking about the Second Woyane period then you're just wrong.

And yes, we won't get justice now, but this feels like a form of justice to me.

If you've forgotten, TPLF were already more or less defeated within the initial weeks into the first phase of the genocidal war (2020-2022) and all of Tigray was occupied? Have you forgotten what happened during that time period? Weren't the people of Tigray clearly targeted during that time? How many Tigrayans have to suffer, be abused and die for it to be clear that Ethiopia's targeting Tigray and not just the TPLF. Ethiopia was literally airing out their genocidal rhetoric without shame during and leading up to it. It was the Tigray genocide not the TPLF genocide. If Ethiopia merely went to war with the TPLF and didn't commit genocide against Tigray, the TPLF would've died out and the TDF wouldn't have been born.

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Yes, I'm a student in Addis now, but I'm from Mekelle and have lived there my entire life. I'm not based in Addis, I only came here for uni. My immediate family, relatives, and friends live in Mekelle, but most of them are now forced to live in Addis because of the TPLF. (Yes Abiy also, but talking about the immediate cause)

Some older people, including my dad and uncles, still support the TPLF, but they seem to have given up now. They were disheartened by the way the TPLF left without warning, how the whole city was looted, and how they left conscripted trainees unaccounted for in training centers. Those soldiers starved and had to walk for days to reach the city. The TPLF also left some conscripts without shoes or belts so they couldn't escape. Still, my dad and uncles don't hate the TPLF as much as they hate the PP. But imagine how this crushed them.

It is different among the youth. Almost all of my friends (Gen Z) now hate the TPLF more than the PP.

And just to be clear, are you accusing me of supporting the genocide, or are you referring to someone else?

I was in Tigray during the 2020–2022 period, so there's no need to tell me about the genocide. I'd also like to remind you that Eritrea was as much a part of the genocide as Abiy was, and Fano was too. How come TPLF supporters forget about these genociders? (And FYI many people say they committed more atrocities than ENDF soldiers. Altho, I can't verify this because in Mekelle there were no Eritrean and Fano soldiers.) How come they don't get angry that our so-called leaders are forming an alliance with these warmongers, who still hold parts of our land in Western and Northern Tigray?

By oppression, I mean that, starting in '83 and continuing to this day, the TPLF has oppressed Tegaru. Just because someone worse came along doesn't erase the TPLF’s wrongdoings. I was referring to their leadership and democratic practices in general, to how difficult the TPLF made it for Tegaru to start and maintain businesses in Tigray, and to how many Tegaru had to start businesses elsewhere in Ethiopia for their businesses and homes to be destroyed by "Ethiopians" after and before Abiy cake to power. I was also referring to how they crushed the opposition and isolated people, how we don't have any institutions, and how everything depended on them to the point that we couldn't survive without them. How scared we were to criticize them in anyway, and how people were basically forced to vote for them for fear of losing access to basic services.

As for the initial period of the 2020–2022 war, everyone supported them. Everyone wanted to fight, and everyone believed in the cause. Nobody does anymore, because this fight isn't for Tigray; it is for them.

If you understand Tigrinya, go on TikTok, watch popular content creators (Most of them are from Mekelle) discuss the TPLF, and read the comments. You'll get a sense of how many Gen Z Tegaru think because TikTok is widely used. You can also see people like Moji(a Tigraway mind you) gaining followers despite speaking not only against the TPLF but against Tigrayan nationalism as well. And how people who hate the TPLF as much as him are sometimes labeled TPLF supporters simply because they support Tigrayan nationalism.

My point is that we've reached a point where some people hate the TPLF so much that they've come to hate Tigrawaynet too, which is heartbreaking. They also seem to be embracing Ethiopianism (though I don't think that reflects a genuine belief so much as frustration).

I haven't forgotten anything, so don't get me wrong. I simply can't forget, because the way I'm treated in Addis just because I'm Tigraweyti keeps reminding me. But the crimes committed against us by our own people pain me much more than the crimes committed by strangers.

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And just to be clear, are you accusing me of supporting the genocide, or are you referring to someone else?

I was saying that if someone who had supported the genocide openly, shared the rhetoric that you shared, I wouldn't have bat an eye. You may not necessarily support the genocide but the rhetoric you shared is dangerously close or may even have already crossed the line into the kind of things those who support the genocide say and share to justify or undermine it.

By oppression, I mean that, starting in '83 and continuing to this day,

That's ridiculous, who were the TPLF oppressing during 1983? TPLF during the Second Woyane were firmly a force acting in the interests of Tegaru and other people who'd be liberated through them. They had their flaws and there were incidents but these were quickly overcome and dealt with as they happened.

It is different among the youth. Almost all of my friends (Gen Z) now hate the TPLF more than the PP. If you understand Tigrinya, go on TikTok, watch popular content creators (Most of them are from Mekelle) discuss the TPLF, and read the comments. You'll get a sense of how many Gen Z Tegaru think because TikTok is widely used.

Your sample data is too small to make the serious blanket generalization that many Tigrayans hate the TPLF more than the people that committed genocide against them. I have relatives that are youth living in Mekelle too and they haven't abstained from sharing their negative views toward TPLF but they made clear that they hate Abiy way more and are just exhausted and sick of war generally and this sentiment is shared among all their friends.

Furthermore as I had said earlier, most of Tigray's population lives in rural rather than urban areas so given this even if the entirety of Mekelle hated TPLF more than Tigray's genociders, which I highly doubt, there's still the rest of Tigray which Mekelle and the urban areas are a small fraction of. Only time will tell whether Tigray's population truly hates the TPLF more than the rest of Tigray's genociders so you'll have to wait and see before presenting it as a 100% fact.

How come they don't get angry that our so-called leaders are forming an alliance with these warmongers, who still hold parts of our land in Western and Northern Tigray?

TPLF's tactical alliances are highly controversial and that is something nobody can argue against. However, there's still a sizeable amount that support it on practical grounds. Western Tigray is occupied by an Abiy-aligned force not by the Amhara nationalists that TPLF has formed a tactical alliance with. Abiy's done all he can to make the Pretoria peace process fail (E.g. TPLF was confirmed by the AU as having met the pre-requisite to have 85% of Western Tigray returned in 2023) and the TPLF were patient for years but the moment they began to act they were made out to be the bad guys even after Tigray was attacked one-sidedly with no immediate response. For more on all this, read this post here.

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How is anything I said close to justifying or undermining the genocide? Which part exactly?

Just because the TPLF liberated us from the Derg doesn't mean it wasn't oppressive in its own right. How do you define oppression? The TPLF's rule may have been better than the Derg's, but it was still a dictatorship. There were also issues like disproportionate tax collection in Tigray compared with the rest of Ethiopia, as well as corruption. None of that is comparable to genocide, of course, but the administration was still terrible, and it contributed to the conditions that brought people like Abiy to power.

I agree that my sample size is small, but I was speaking from my own experience.

I read your post, and I can't answer your questions. But I still don't think the move was tactical. Because whatever alliance they make they make it to remain in power, they don't care about us. We'll see how things turn out soon enough.

And please stop telling me how terrible Abiy is. I know. Everyone knows. Bro nobody supports him except Oromos and Pente in the rest of Ethiopia, let alone in Tigray. But it took us this long to recognize how terrible the TPLF had been all along. We were always focused on external enemies, even though the TPLF was our enemy too.

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How is anything I said close to justifying or undermining the genocide? Which part exactly?

"Imo, they are the root of all our problems, including exposing us to genociders like Abiy and Isaias Afewerki. Abiy certainly doesn't care about Tigray, but neither do they. They aren't the lesser evil at all, and they have oppressed us ever since they came to power."

Saying the TPLF are the root of Tigray's problems and that they're responsible for exposing Tigray to Abiy and Isaias shifts the blame for the genocide from those that committed it to the TPLF especially when you say they're all morally equal.

You could also say it's justifying it because it gives weight to the beliefs held by Tigray's genociders that it's a deserved one based on whatever the TPLF may or may have not done. As Tigrayans, we're free to criticize them for not doing enough to prevent it but you've taken it way further inadvertently.

Just because the TPLF liberated us from the Derg doesn't mean it wasn't oppressive in its own right. How do you define oppression?

I don't deny that the TPLF were oppressive toward Tigrayans but my problem is that you're including the Second Woyane era. Don't you know that the TPLF brought forth a social revolution in Tigray at that time which empowered women and minorities within Tigray which were both deeply oppressed as well as ending class based oppression in Tigray which the Derg failed to do. The people on the ground had genuine say and power in their lives and the TPLF was actually able to hold itself accountable. The TPLF's deterioration came about slowly following the Second Woyane due to a number of factors (1 , 2) but during the Second Woyane they were a great party far ahead than any in the region especially today but they were not perfect.

I read your post, and I can't answer your questions.

It's simply because they cannot be answered. If there was an alternative path that the TPLF could be taking where Tigray could defend itself and get what it needs without having to work with one of Tigray's genociders then I'd be one of the first to harshly criticize the TPLF in such a scenario but there simply isn't and the TPLF exhausted all its option up until this point.

Imo, the TPLF are simply making the most pragmatic choice available no matter how much flak they're getting for it and I'm not arguing for unconditional permanent support for the TPLF but for people to actually recognize how terrible a position Tigray's in and to support the TPLF's resistance in recognition of this just until Tigray's either decisively out of that position or the TPLF is able to be smoothly replaced by an organized, independent and mass supported political force that can carry on fighting for Tigray's core interests in place of the TPLF.

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I don't think acknowledging the part the TPLF played in the genocide means justifying it. Nobody is shifting the blame. We want them held accountable for their part. We were so focused on Abiy, Fano, and Shaebiya that we forgot they aren't the good guys either.

What do you mean by the "Second Weyane era"? Are you referring to the period when they were fighting, or the period after 1983 E.C. (when I said 83 I was referring to the Ethiopian calendar, meaning 1991 G.C.)?

I think our differences come down to how we see the TPLF today. You think they're acting out of sheer survival and have our best interests at heart. I don't think they care about Tegaru at all. Not even 1%. They care only about power. Whatever choices they make, they aren't thinking about us, so why should I care what happens to them? That's why I think they're worse: we trusted them and gave them everything, yet they're no different from Abiy in that all they care about is power, not us.

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I don't think acknowledging the part the TPLF played in the genocide means justifying it. Nobody is shifting the blame. We want them held accountable for their part. We were so focused on Abiy, Fano, and Shaebiya that we forgot they aren't the good guys either.

I don't have a problem with you acknowledging the TPLF's role in this, they have much to answer for when everything's over. However, I do have a big problem with you morally equating the genociders with the TPLF and arguing that the TPLF should be dealt with first like that won't leave Tigray in an even worse position and make it much more vulnerable plus close up any hope of overcoming its situation.

What do you mean by the "Second Weyane era"? Are you referring to the period when they were fighting, or the period after 1983 E.C. (when I said 83 I was referring to the Ethiopian calendar, meaning 1991 G.C.)?

This was a misunderstanding, I'm from the diaspora so when you said 1983 I was thinking of the Gregorian calendar, my bad. By Second Woyane, I was referring to the period from the beginning of the TPLF to the end of the Derg regime.

I think our differences come down to how we see the TPLF today. You think they're acting out of sheer survival and have our best interests at heart. I don't think they care about Tegaru at all. Not even 1%. They care only about power. Whatever choices they make, they aren't thinking about us, so why should I care what happens to them? That's why I think they're worse: we trusted them and gave them everything, yet they're no different from Abiy in that all they care about is power, not us.

I don't believe the TPLF have Tigray's best interests at heart (or if they do they're at the very least deeply incompetent in many areas) but I do believe that the TPLF believe that Tigray surviving and overcoming its situation is deeply within their own interest as without Tigray the TPLF are nothing and will have no future. This same sentiment surrounding Tigray's survival is not shared by Abiy at all.

Following Tigray getting out of its position, the interests of the people of Tigray and the TPLF will likely diverge much more than it already has unless the TPLF decide to reform themselves. Many of the ugly choices and decisions the TPLF have made were also made out of desperation after every other option was deliberately closed off by Abiy.

Arguing for the TPLF's removal because of their bad response to the terrible conditions placed on Tigray (1) will not actually solve those conditions or deal with the root cause of those problems (Abiy). You can hate and criticize TPLF all you want but objectively their removal under Tigray's present conditions without an organized and strong political force to replace them would just put Tigray in a terrible position.

It would be a repeat of the historic mistake Tigray's selfish elites at the time made that paved the way for Tigray 102 years of oppression. Rather than uniting under Ras Mengesha as Yohannes IV intended, they decided to fight each other for power and did nothing but weaken Tigray and pave the way for Menelik to gain undisputed power within the country. You can read more about that here.

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I don't remember arguing that the TPLF should be dealt with first. I was simply happy they lost power. I would have felt the same if Abiy or Shaebiya had been removed. It doesn't matter to me who goes first. I believe that one day they'll all get what they deserve, so the order isn't important. They're all our enemies.

About the calendar, sorry for the confusion.

I'll read the article you shared. But I don't know how to explain how terrible their time in power has been since the war.

You mentioned that you have a lot of family members back in Tigray, so they probably tell you how terrible things have been since the war ended. As disgusting as Getachew is when he was the interim president, things were a little better because he knew how to kiss Abiy's ass.

Once they came to power, you saw how things got out of hand and how little they cared about what we were losing because of their senseless ህልኽ(don't even know how to explain this in English). Nobody was working, banks were shutting down, more people were going hungry, people stopped leaving their homes, and there was conscription. Things just kept getting worse.

Now people think that, at least temporarily, all of that might stop. Many people feel relieved because they hope it will. I'm not sure anything is going to change. At the end of the day, they're all our enemies. But you can understand why so many people feel relieved. They've worn down our morale so badly that people believe surrendering and doing whatever Abiy asks of us is the only solution left. That's how terrible these people have made the situation.

I'm not saying that removing them now will solve anything. I'm saying that keeping them in power won't solve anything either. It won't make a difference. The only reason I'm happy they're gone is that I hated them for so long and had almost given up hope that they would ever lose power. Now we've seen that they can.

I would have been happy if Abiy had been removed, too. To me, they're all the same, and I don't care who goes first. I just want to see at least one of them losing what they care about most. At this point, it's painful to watch all of them face no consequences while we suffer every single day.

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The future of Tigray will only be bright if we stay united and finally get independence. Imo this would never have happened under TPLF leadership, because they are prolly still fanticizing about 4 Kilo. (I'm curious what people in the diaspora think about this, here many Tigrayan nationalists here believe the TPLF is Ethiopianist.)

There seems to be a growing movement, as you can see on different social media platforms. I've mentioned TikTok several times, not because it gives us a representative sample, but because so many people use it that it shouldn't be ignored. Many people are speaking up for unity and pushing back against divisive rhetoric.

One example is Moji, who has become one of the most influential people speaking against the TPLF over the past year. He says he was a TDF soldier and regrets it. At first, most of his content was about the war, but lately his rhetoric has become more extreme. His content is basically in Amharic and it gives me the impression that he may be trying to appeal to, or gain approval from, Amharic speaking audiences tbh. And for all we know he is prolly getting paid by the PP.

He went to Tigray this week and called for monuments to be demolished, including Marta's Hawelti in Mekelle. Many people were so mad and pushed back, saying they have not forgotten their history. They were saying they oppose the TPLF, but see that as separate from their history and identity. This is something we have never seen before so who knows what it might lead to.

If this support for unity grows into an organic movement, things may improve, and an organized, independent grassroots movement could eventually emerge. But unless such movements develop from the people themselves, simply keeping the TPLF in power will not change anything.

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You lost me at “we hate tplf more than PP” is that a joke?

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Nah.

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> I hope Abiy, Getachew's group, Fano, and Shaebiya also face accountability for the suffering they helped bring upon our people.

by whom, if not the TPLF, for which it is supposedly over, mr. idealist?

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Please be fr, TPLF needs to face accountability as much as them. For they took part in bringing suffering to our people as well. People are waking up and no longer believe TPLF is our only option, we will create other options.

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Who said its over for TPLF? Did you realise that they didn't fight a serious battle until yesterday? Yesterday, they launched their first major offensive. Starting from now, you'll see ENDF getting crushed in every front.

I'm not TPLF supporter, but i'd rather be ruled by them than Abiy or any puppets. Tigray is not in the position to discard TPLF. When this is all over, we'll deal with them, until then lets get rid of Abiy.

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It's an assumption. I don't give a damn who takes down whom, lol. At this point, even the TDF has become an enemy to Tegaru, thanks to the TPLF using those soldiers to cling to power while forgetting about Tegaru. It doesn't matter to Tegaru living in Tigray or elsewhere in Ethiopia. We just want this to be over.

Yeah, unlike you, I don't prefer one side over another. I'll be glad whoever gets destroyed, because whoever takes control, nothing will change. And I don't think anyone can get rid of Abiy at this point. Certainly not the dying TPLF. Out of curiosity tho, do you live in Tigray?

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TDF is a response to the Tigray genocide. As i said Tigray doesn't have the luxury to discard TPLF. The TPLF are the most capable amongst Tigrayan parties to counter Abiy so the people sided with them. And no, TDF is the protector of Tigray not our enemy. While ENDF and Abiy were collaborating with Eritrea to massacre our people, it was TDF that stopped all of that madness.

"It doesn't matter to Tegaru living in Tigray or elsewhere in Ethiopia"

I live in Ethiopia and i'm Tigrayan so it matters to me. You can't speak for others, specially if you're not one of us.

"Yeah, unlike you, I don't prefer one side over another. I'll be glad whoever gets destroyed,"

Then you have no idea of whats going on.

"And I don't think anyone can get rid of Abiy at this point."

No government in the history of Ethiopia has won against its people. Just give it time and watch. You sound new to the game.

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• Was talking about the TDF in its current condition. They were being used as weapons for the TPLF in recent times. They were literally wearing masks (very terrorist like) and taking young people by force and shooting the ones who tried to escape (very shameful and which made them hated by Tegaru) and killed a bunch of young men including teenagers if you were following current affrais.
• I am Tigraweyti. Dk why u said "if you're one of us" lol.
• It doesn't actually because we just wanna go back to Tigray and not live in constant fear of conscription.
• I know damn well what's going on, but I doubt you do, many of the things you're talking about are from the 2020-2022 war. Many things have happened ever since. And I'm assuming you live outside of Tigray, so ask Tegaru who live in Tigray what they think about the TPLF now, and what they used to think about them prior to the Pretoria agreement.
• The TPLF aren't capable anymore. They were because Tegaru were willing to give their life for them, but not anymore. The TPLF is nothing without us. If you're willing to die for them be my guest, but literally nobody I know is. Why do you think everyone is migrating to Addis????
• What do you mean "no government in the history of Ethiopia has won against its people"? I genuinely don't understand.
• "You sound new to the game." The amount of ad hominem in this comment is astounding.

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1. I don't support forced conscription. No one in Tigray wants war, but we're forced to it.
2. Good if you're one of us, but you should be more aware of the circumstances.
3. How can you go back to Tigray and live in peace while 40% of Tigray is occupied, with no budget, blockade, and constant drone strikes coming from Abiy? Abiy doesn't want to negotiate, so the only way out of this is war. i'm not pushing you or anyone to fight this war, but its our only way out.
4. Girl, I know perfectly how the people of Tigray think about TPLF but I assure you one thing, they will never choose Abiy, the same person who committed genocide on them over TPLF. I'm talking starting from 2020 because you sound like you need a summary.
5. I know TPLF's power comes from the people of Tigray, and No Tegaru didn't fight for TPLF, they fought for themselves. Its hard to listen to this from a person like you. Morale is low because our people are becoming exhausted, but they will never bend their knees to Abiy. FYI Abiy pays a lot for Tigrayan supporters, so if you want to bend your knee to him, be my guest and make more money in the name of our people.
6. "What do you mean "no government in the history of Ethiopia has won against its people?" I genuinely don't understand."

What I mean is Ethiopian governments have a track record of oppressing their people and eventually getting overthrown by the same people they oppressed. Hailesilase, DERG, TPLF and Abiy will follow the same path and get overthrown..

1. "The amount of ad hominem in this comment is astounding."

Any adult should understand what i'm saying, this is not ad hominem.

[u/Even-Line-6508 → u/Panglossian14]

Again, I never said I choose Abiy, and neither did I say Tegaru will choose Abiy, I said we are so tired we don't care anymore. When did I say Tegaru are supporting Abiy?

Also, you seem to forget that Fano and Shaebiya were part of the genocide. Two groups the TPLF formed an alliance with. Pray, why should I prefer the TPLF when they are fighting alongside our genociders? Why? How are they any different from Abiy? And, our occupied lands include places in the Northern border, do you know what Eritreans soldiers were doing in Irob, Zalambesa, and Rama for the past 6 years? Do you know the ethnic cleansing against the Irob by Eritreans soldiers? Do you know that they gave them Eritreans IDs? The TPLF formed an alliance with these people, like that's so crazy! These people do not care about us, don't you get it? They are no better than Abiy.

Yes, and the TPLF was and is oppressing us, which is why they're discarded. Do yk Hayelom's saying, "ናብ ህዝቡ ዝተኮሰ ውድቀቱ ኣፋጠነ" that's exactly what happened to them. They shot us and we are done with them. They are our enemies. Just because we have other enemies, we won't consider them friends anymore.

And more Ad Hominem.

[u/Panglossian14 → u/Even-Line-6508]

I know, we're tired, i'm also fucking tired too! but there's no reason for you to support the faliure of TPLF as if a better rule is coming for us.

I know Eritrea and Fano were part of the genocide, how can I forget that? When TPLF allied itself with them, I was one of the first to oppose that alliance, but do you know why that alliance was created? its because Abiy failed to implement the Pretoria agreement; he continued to siege Tigray, block aid and budget. It was a slow pressure cooker designed to further weaken Tigray so that at least it could break the siege TPLF allied with Fano and Eritrea.

Do you know that a huge chunk of fuel in last year arrived via Eritrea? If not for that alliance, that wouldn't have happened. When this is all over i want everyone who was part of the genocide to face justice, but for now we're allied with them for the sake of convenience, as they became our allies for the same reason.

". They shot us and we are done with them. They are our enemies."

I don't think there was a time when I didn't oppose TPLF, but if you prefer Abiy's rule over TPLF thats up to you. But most Tegaru won't.

[u/Iapheth]

Sadly, their offshoot branch is their replacement. It’s more like new management.