"Good guys" committing perfidy (fake surrender) and it's treated as a clever heroic ploy instead of a war crime or something morally dubious

[u/AporiaParadox]

1. Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Anakin pretends to surrender to the enemy multiple times during the Clone Wars. And no, it's not used to indicate that Anakin is falling to the Dark Side, other characters like Obi-Wan do it too.
2. The Iliad. The Trojan Horse was a real dick move, a fake surrender compounded by a fake peace offering, followed by a massacre. I get that it was a different time, but still, most modern adaptations just treat it as a cool thing. One thing I'll give Nolan's The Odyssey credit for is that Odysseus recognizes that what his "clever plot" was wrong.

Perfidy is a serious war crime, because morality aside, in exchange for one victory, you're dooming all of your allies who might want to legitimately surrender in the future because now the enemy is just going to execute them, not to mention that now the enemy won't surrender to you and will just fight harder.

[u/felop13]

There was a joke that is Mace Windu shouting at anakin because the CIS stopped accepting surrenders after what he pulled.

[u/Helios_Synthesis → u/felop13]

RIP to all the Jedi and Clones that got fucking executed on the spot because of Ani lol

[u/Deep90 → u/Helios_Synthesis]

The Clones weren't taking prisoners on Umbara and Geonosis either.

[u/Dinasnore → u/Deep90]

They did take at least one prisoner on Umbara, as we see with Luco Bronc in Zero Company. So they probably did take Umbarans prisoner. We just never saw a scene where they actually surrendered I don’t think

[u/Deep90 → u/Dinasnore]

There is one scene where an umbaran has his mask broken and seems to be begging for his life, but is shot in the head execution style (by rex?).

You're right though. They did capture Luco, but his capture seems more intentional as a way free Dozen since the sepertists didn't greenlight the exchange. Rhy Cesca made an exception solely because she was Lucos lover.Perhaps other Umbarans were also captured, but I haven't seen anything to go off of.

[u/Various-Storm991 → u/Deep90]

It Was Actually Fives Who Did That, Though There Is a Scene Where Rex Double-Taps a Umbaran That Felt Out Of his Vehicle After One Of the Clones Destroys the Glass With a Rocket Launcher.

[u/OHFTP → u/Deep90]

We also learn in Zero Company from Luco that if the helmet breaks while they are amped up on the stim/gas they start to asphyxiate. So maybe that's what going on and ita a mercy kill. Seems like a stretch, though.

[u/Deep90 → u/OHFTP]

Wait really? I don't remember him saying that.

[u/OHFTP → u/Deep90]

I think it was a walk by conversation between him and one of my non-named operators. Don't remember which personality.

[u/NanolathingStuff → u/Deep90]

Unrelated, but i've always found funny that Umbarans needed masks to survive on their own planet but clones could breath just fine

[u/Deep90 → u/NanolathingStuff]

In Zero Company, it's actually explained that the masks contain a combat stimulant, not air.

I think a tabletop game or something also does the same.

[u/LX575-EEE → u/Dinasnore]

They took a bunch of prisoners on Umbara. We see them at the Air Base the 501st capture

[u/Illesbogar → u/Deep90]

I don't think anyone in SW respects geonosians as intelligent beings

[u/Deep90 → u/Illesbogar]

Maybe not geonosians, but especially the recently released zero company is recognizing that Umbara was pretty evil of them.

[u/XrnivraY → u/Deep90]

Bugs and droids don't count.

[u/Deep90 → u/XrnivraY]

Umbarans are people.

[u/NplnBnrFrt → u/XrnivraY]

Geonosians are a sentient race as well, with families. People like Ki Adi Mundi committed atrocities all the same, after discovering this.