(Hated Trope) "Kind" slave owners

[u/KusanagiGundam]

Speaking as an American who has studied the civil war all throughout my school years, this trope infuriates me to no end. There is no such thing as a kind slave master because slavery itself is cruel and inhumane. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERTY!

Naofumi (Shield Hero): Prime example of this trope. He enslaves multiple (underage) girls and an whole village and the fans still say he's a hero.

Rudeus (Jobless Reincarnation): As if being a pedo wasn't bad enough he had to buy a slave in season 2. Worse is that people still defend his actions.

Song of The South (Disney): Possibly the OG example of this trope. And the reason why Disney will never release it again.

[u/Moka4u]

Slavery is INHERENTLY EVIL there's nothing to portray that wouldn't already be an immediate thought of its evilness. If you NEED someone to show you why it's that's not a reflection on the inherit evil of it that's a reflection of your naivete, or willful ignorance.

Slavery is bsd because owning someone is evil, violating their autonomy is wrong.

[u/-kinapuffar- → u/Moka4u]

Good and evil are human inventions. It's not real, it's opinion. Delusion, even. The only reason you feel this way is because of the culture and society you've been indoctrinated in since birth. Had it been a different one, say you'd been born in China 1000 years ago, you would have a different opinion.

There's nothing inherent about it. Morals are just social propaganda. They exist as a product of a time and place.

[u/Moka4u → u/-kinapuffar-]

Chinese slaves 1000 years ago did think slavery was evil. Your point does not stand.

[u/-kinapuffar- → u/Moka4u]

After the American slaves were freed, some of their descendants went back to Africa and founded the country Liberia, where they promptly started doing slavery themselves. My point stands.

Their problem with slavery wasn't that they thought it was morally wrong, they were just upset that they were the ones enslaved.

[u/Moka4u → u/-kinapuffar-]

Some people doing it themselves does not change the fact that it's inhumane to own another sentient being like property. Slave revolts wouldn't be so common if it was inheritly neutral to own slaves.

[u/-kinapuffar- → u/Moka4u]

Are you arguing that because violence exists, objective good and evil exists? People kill one another for countless reasons, it doesn't say anything other than that humans are violent apes. So there are revolts. So what? There are revolts against taxes, against people with the wrong religion, against immigration, does that prove these things inherently evil too?

[u/Moka4u → u/-kinapuffar-]

On a some level yes I do believe that. Also what makes it less valuable simply because we decided as a society that some of those things are wrong? Is the way you feel about your loved ones any less real and lacking in meaning simply because we made those concepts up?

[u/-kinapuffar- → u/Moka4u]

So if I tell you to give me all your money, you say no, and I then smack you in the face, does that make you not giving me your money inherently evil too? I am revolting against your decision to not give me your money after all, so that should imply that you're mistreating me or something by not acquiescing, right? It's not a sound argument. People act in their own self-interest, that in itself carries no value judgement.

Is the way you feel about your loved ones any less real and lacking in meaning simply because we made those concepts up?

Yes. The way I feel about them is real in so far as it's chemistry and genetic hardcoding, but that's all it is. Any meaning I derive from that is entirely subjective. There's nothing real about that, it's just my own delusions. Love is a convenient evolutionary trick to preserve and further the continuation of the species, that's why it was selected for, but it doesn't exist externally. It's not a physical property of the universe, much like right and wrong, good and evil, or just and unjust. These are imaginary concepts, the nature of which are mutable and change constantly over time.

That's my whole point. Slavery isn't inherently anything, it simply is or isn't. Any value judgement made on it as a practice is wholly subjective and based entirely on what flavour of cultural indoctrination you happened to be brought up with.

[u/Moka4u → u/-kinapuffar-]

I never made that argument you made it up to strawman my point which must have been a good point if you're making arguments up in your head.

Our entire realities are subjective and simply because YOU choose to not put any stock in the things we as a species have chosen to believe are right and wrong doesn't devalue them to the rest of us.