r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1d ago

Characters (Fun tropes) It took a non mainline version to add this feature to the character.

  1. Sephiroth's iconic one wing came from Kingdom Hearts. Not from the original FF7. Despite his theme being "one winged Angel", and while his Greater form has a sort of wing, og base Sephiroth never had an actual angel wing. Now Sephy is always seen with it.

  2. Magneto's Helmet blocking telepathy. It came from the movies. Despite the fact that Magneto would know exactly how Xavier's abilities work and there being a precedent helmet that blocks telepathy (Juggernaut), the X-men movies were the first to add. Now it's pretty common thing for Magneto.

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u/Metal-The-Cettle 1d ago

The AllSpark wasn't even a concept in Transformers until the 2007 movie. Since then, it's become a staple in various Transformers media.

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u/Nirast25 21h ago

Similarly, the concept of Sparks as the Transformers equivalent of a soul came from Beast Wars.

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u/Poku115 1d ago

Give me the cube

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u/benny_the_gecko 1d ago

Shove it into my chest

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u/Rider-Idk-Ultima-Hy 1d ago

Same thing with Wakfu Season 5 actually.

also OW

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u/MuffaloMan 23h ago

BEFORE TIME BEGAN, THERE WAS… THE CUBE

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u/RoadsidePicnik 1d ago

I'd only seen the 1986 movie before that so I just assumed it was one of the hundred lore things I didn't know about. 

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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 8h ago

Immediately after the 2007 movie we got an AllSpark in Animated

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u/therealchadius 4h ago

The closest thing was the Matrix of Leadership, but that has a different but still important function.

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u/JuiceOfTheElderToad 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sonic the Hedgehog loving chili dogs.

Only the American adaptations like the 90’s cartoons and Archie comics started off with this as a major trait, but the games only began slowly adopting it beginning in the 2000’s, with his canon game iteration now loving chili dogs as well.

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u/Fenghuang0296 1d ago

I headcanon that the 90s cartoons are canon to Classic Sonic, who introduced chilli dogs to Modern Sonic during Generations.

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u/Ok_Distance_7320 1d ago

But doesn't Tails give him a chili dog as a birthday present in the opening scene before they even meet classic Sonic?

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u/therealchadius 3h ago

Dr. Eggman's formal last name as Robotnik was formally added in Sonic Adventure 1. Before then, Sega of America called him Dr. Robotnik and Eggman was never used.

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u/BrawlLikeABigFight20 23h ago

A huge amount of the Superman mythos came from the cartoons and radio show. Best two examples are Superman flying (the Fleischer cartoon) and Kryptonite (radio show)

https://giphy.com/gifs/10bKPDUM5H7m7u

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u/Hitei00 21h ago

Flight because it was easier to animated than super jumping, and kryptonite so theyd have an excuse for episodes of the radio show where the VA didnt have to be there

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u/powerful_p1608 1d ago

Primus, the creator-god of the Transformers and opposite of the dark god Unicron, originated from the Marvel UK comics but was soon incorporated into the US comics when UK writer Simon Furman was brought over to take over from Bob Budiansky. Eventually Primus became part of all Transformers mythos in some form or another.

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u/DarkraiAndScizor 1d ago

Ah, Simon Furman and Bob Budiansky, the two names that spontaneous have the voice of a chipper Irish man playing in my head. Only beaten in volume by a third, other name.

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u/Chaosmusic 1d ago

Primus sucks!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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u/DannyBright 1d ago

Pit’s entire modern design, including the “bow splitting into two swords” was from Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The fact that Sakurai also made the only Kid Icarus game to come out after Brawl certainly helped codify it.

King Dedede’s Jet Hammer is also from Brawl and didn’t appear in a Kirby game until Super Star Ultra.

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u/DarkWaWeeGee 1d ago

Not to mention Dark Pit just being a recolor in Brawl before KIU

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u/AltroGamingBros 23h ago

Honestly, Dark Pit was the best character of KIU. I adore him.

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u/Acceptable_Ball_1590 19h ago

Jet hammer was in Kirby Right Back Atcha anime.

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u/hnh058513 13h ago

Water(and a few others) were originally Fan contest winners that were only added to the Games way later on after being used in the Show's late season 2 Parter

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u/stinkstabber69420 1d ago

I dont really think his greater form's wing is 'sort of' a wing.

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u/dravenonred 1d ago

"I named the music "One Winged Angel" for reasons I hoped someone would elaborate on later" - Nobuo Uematsu

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u/Dropbeatdad 1d ago

He's clearly a seven winged angel there

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u/kupozu 1d ago

I cannot tell if this is a joke or a real quote from Uematsu. Both sound legit.

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u/isjustwrong 1d ago

I literally took the same screen shot to post.

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u/RalfSmithen 1d ago

Just a lil baby wing

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u/darkbreak 23h ago

Interesting names for the party.

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u/Urvilan 1d ago

I mean, that thing doesn’t look too aerodynamic

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u/SaltManagement42 1d ago edited 1d ago

Also, I haven't played KH, but I don't think I've seen his base form with a wing anywhere. In spite of being "always seen with it."

He does grow one sometimes when leaving his base form.

https://youtu.be/BMzNz_MGofw?t=5690

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u/-D3LET3D- 21h ago

He does have one in KH as his default design. He never transforms either.

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u/-D3LET3D- 21h ago

KH2 keeps that wing and then adds 2 more at his waist for some reason lol. The picture in OPs post is from Smash where the wing spawns mid match.

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u/Sayne7 12h ago

Although these extra wings look cool imo, they aren't exactly canon, as they are not part of the KH Sephiroth action figure(s)

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u/Hitei00 20h ago

Advent Children brought it into the actual FF7 Canon, he has it in the Remake trilogy, and he's gonna have it as a spirit in Resonance.

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u/SableZard 21h ago

.........oh THAT'S how you say Tifa's name

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u/TheSilverNoble 11h ago

I think they're kind of correct in that KH was the first time he had a separate wing in addition to his arms. In FF7 in believe the wing replaces his arm. 

I mean he's still a One Winged Angel but KH did change the look.

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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 1d ago edited 1d ago

The falcon punch was created specifically for Super Smash bros Melee

He only used it once in the animated series

Edit: Smash 64 actually

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u/NickN64 1d ago

Original Super Smash Bros. for N64 had it before Melee. But yes, it was in Smash before ever being in anything F-Zero.

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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 1d ago

Oh right there was the first game before melee :0
Now I look stupid Lol

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u/therealchadius 3h ago

The beta for Smash 64 originally used an OG character named the Dragon King who used Dragon Punches. Sakurai didn't expect to get to use Nintendo characters.

When it was approved, he reused the Dragon King into Samus and Captain Falcon - two characters with mostly realistic proportions. The Dragon Punch was converted to a Falcon Punch and the rest is history.

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u/alkonium 1d ago

Originally, the Endless Waltz redesign of XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero lacked the original version's shield and Neo Bird Mode. These features were put back in with the manga Glory of the Losers, and were included in the Master Grade Ver. Ka and Master Grade SD kits.

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u/BQ72 1d ago

The EW version of WZ was always very popular in circles I frequented (for understandable reason), but I preferred TV due to these things that were lost. Always happy to be reminded that they pandered specifically to me, eventually.

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u/Maloth_Warblade 1d ago

Still need a fix for Deathscythe and it's missing Buster Shield

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u/Icy-Abbreviations909 1d ago

Off topic anytime I think of sephiroth I think about that robot chicken ff7 fast food restaurant sketch and sephiroth saying “I need you to work this Saturday” and cloud responding with “but I have lakers tickets” (iirc) and I laugh lol

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u/SirBastian1129 1d ago

I always remember the ending with the destroyed restaurant and Barret appearing.

Barret: What the f@$&!?

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u/Shinjitsu- 21h ago

That whole sketch is gold. One of the npcs in line even kinda jiggles a bit, like it can't decide which direction to face. 

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u/SableZard 21h ago

Half of Barret's dialogue just being #*@%!

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u/ConsiderationTrue477 23h ago

Superman is a famous example. His ability to fly and weakness to kryptonite first showed up in the radio show and cartoon.

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u/J_Pinehurst 22h ago

Yeah, couldn't he originally just jump over buildings?

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u/VanBland 14h ago

In a single bound, he was also stronger than a locomotive and faster than a speeding bullet.

He was basically a big strongman (hence the visual reference).

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u/Chiron723 22h ago

So his actor could get a vacation.

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u/Great-and_Terrible 6h ago

That parts a myth, actually. The actor never had a vacation around the time they introduced Kryptonite and they were reusing a concept from an unpublished 1940s story "The K Metal from Krypton".

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u/clairexxooo 1d ago

Luigi’s Mansion — Luigi’s vacuum backpack (Poltergust)

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u/Acceptable_Ball_1590 19h ago

Sephiroth's "wing" is seen in the OG. -However, as a silhouette on his shadow as he descends to do the stabby stabby.

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u/Unit-DS27-Delta 1d ago

There are plenty of examples of this in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but what might be the biggest is the colors of the Turtles' bandanas. In the original Mirage comics, the Turtles all wore red bandanas, so the only way to tell them apart was by their weapons. When adapting the comic to an animated kids' cartoon, the Turtles were given unique bandana colors - Leo was given blue, Donnie was given purple, Mikey was given orange, and Raph got to keep red. This change has persisted across all versions of the TMNT since.

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u/Ijustlovevideogames 1d ago

He has his wing in his final boss form actually, it is just the one people likely know him more for is from KH.

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u/Elyced32 5h ago

No what he means is when he is just in his regular form, in the original he only ever had the wing when he was in his final form anything after he always had a wing outside of his final form because of kingdom hearts’ version of his design

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u/Mastodon_Butt 1d ago

Good thing the wing was still added by square, would've been awkward otherwise.

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u/Mysterious-Creme8709 1d ago

I still have yet to actually read a magneto comic but what did he do about the telepathy problem pre helmet? Did he just like die?

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u/Chaosmusic 1d ago

In the really early comics, he had his own version of telepathy. Around the 80s it switched to him just having extraordinary willpower which gave him some resistance. A lot of times in the comics, Charles was too far away to directly use his power on Magneto, he was mainly using it to allow the X-Men in the field to communicate directly with each other and coordinate their attacks.

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u/BuuRazzberry 1d ago edited 15h ago

X made him relive the Holocaust https://youtu be/tnFYwXYADrc

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u/Flip_Jester_Boy 22h ago

"Holocaust beams, go!"

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u/Matrix010 22h ago

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u/AngelicHanaKurusu 10h ago

Appreciate this homie

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u/NurseNerd 9h ago

Depended on the writer. I recall comics where strong magnetic fields by themselves were disruptive to psychic powers, sometimes it just affected Cerebro (which was Xavier's main way of communicating with the X-Men in the field). And a lot of times, Xavier himself just refused to use his powers for more than communication. I remember reading Ultimate X-Men and a plot point was resolved by Charles straight up brainwashing a dude. Turned me off of the series.

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u/CeaselessGriping 1d ago

Nah, he was just built different before.

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u/Redwood177 1d ago

No, in the comics his helmet literally blocks telepathy. I remember reading a marvel story guide in like 1999 where they talking about this, and then they even had a whole section about how he taught the juggernaut how to make the helmet, and he had not one but two god damn layers of anti-telepath armor on his stupid head.

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u/Great-and_Terrible 6h ago

You have a false memory, I'm afraid

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u/froderick 17h ago

I don't think the point about Magneto is correct. Pretty sure it was at least in the 90s animated series.

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u/Re4g4nRocks 8h ago

Retconned in ‘97 but not in the original.

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u/Aggravating-Bag-890 11h ago

Nah, this is him getting hit by the Holocaust Beam

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u/froderick 11h ago

Ah fair enough.