r/USPS • • May 27 '24

Rural Carrier Discussion Got My 1st Ticket ever in a Metris

Doing 64 in a 55…Got Pulled over by a state trooper. :/ I was in a hurry because the LLV I was using broke down and I hastily reloaded a metris. I tried to breeze past a long stretch of highway. As soon a I saw him in the opposing lane I knew I was in trouble. Really unsure if I should inform my postmaster or just attend the recommended driving course and pay the fee.

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u/CallMeMailEscort City Carrier May 27 '24

What a dumb cop. Although you must obey all local ordinances, the Postal Service can’t legally be fined by any lower forms of government for any traffic violation fines accumulated by its employees. If you tell your PM, you might endure an I.I. for being unsafe at most. At least you don’t have to pay anything or have to deal with the points on your license.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

Wait, what? Any postal employee cannot be given a ticket for any traffic violation? I find that hard to believe.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

There’s an article that’s explains the situation

David Van Allen, regional spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service, said in an interview that postal employees "are subject to obeying local traffic laws and ordinances just like any other citizen. However, the Postal Service cannot legally be billed for any traffic violation fines incurred by its employees."

He added that there is no legal system in place to transfer liability from the Postal Service to an employee, an issue because these tickets were the result of traffic cameras, not police stops with tickets handed to individuals.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/02/postal-service-traffic-laws/1885995/#

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

Makes perfect sense. If you run a red light in an LLV and a cop pulls you over, takes your license, and writes you a ticket, it’s on you. If you park in a handicapped spot and get a ticket left on your windshield, that shit is not getting traced back to you.

OP specifically said he got pulled over and written a ticket. That’s on OP, not USPS.

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u/cerberus698 May 28 '24

Looks like redzones are back on the menu boys!

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u/mrunique07 City Carrier May 28 '24

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Wait, what 😮 link please 🙏🏽

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u/Zoey2070 RCA May 29 '24

holy shit lmfaoooo

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

Believe it. The missus is a city carrier with a downtown route, she double parks, doesn't pay meters, etc etc and every single ticket she gets, she brings to management and they get squashed.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

I can believe the meter and red zone tickets but any traffic violation? No way carriers aren’t getting ticketed for running red lights, stop signs, or going 40+ above the speed limit.

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u/Excellent-Elk-2891 May 27 '24

Moving violations are going to get enforced with a fine.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

I figured as much, that’s why I asked. Original comment said otherwise and all the thumbs up maybe me raise an eyebrow.

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u/heatherbabydoll Rural Carrier May 28 '24

My mom retired from here and she told me if they ever tried pulling me over to tell them they have no jurisdiction over me and they’d have to get a federal marshal out there. I have not tested this but she knew the contract inside and out.

Our custodian told me she knew a couple people who got speeding tickets and the judge threw them out and reamed out the cop who issued them.

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u/Tangboy50000 City Carrier May 28 '24

It’s when the tickets come from cameras, not the carrier actually getting pulled over. There was a station in East Cleveland a while back that was generating red light camera tickets like crazy, and the city got a shitty reply to their request to pay these fines from a lawyer at the postal service, because we don’t have to.

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u/CallMeMailEscort City Carrier May 27 '24

I mean I’m pretty sure cops can arrest you for any criminal offense including reckless driving. But speeding tickets or even basic traffic citations are not going to be paid for by the post office. Think about it.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

I guess I misinterpreted, your original post made it sound like carriers don’t have to pay speeding tickets they accrue on the job.

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u/CallMeMailEscort City Carrier May 27 '24

That is what I’m saying. OP is talking about a speeding ticket. That’s what stops all these cash hungry local governments from trying to make an easy buck from USPS. If you’re in a government vehicle, the post office isn’t paying for it. And why should you? They’re the ones delaying the mail.

“No damages, interest on damages, costs or attorney’s fees may be recovered, and no criminal liability may be imposed, under the antitrust laws (as so defined) from any officer or employee of the Postal Service, or other Federal agency acting on behalf of or in concert with the Postal Service, acting in an official capacity.” Am I misunderstanding that?

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u/kingu42 Big Daddy Mail May 28 '24

USPS is a government agency, and state or local agencies would have to be granted leave by USPS to bring fines to it.

A carrier isn't an independent federal agency, they are a federal official, their ticket is theirs to pay. It would actually be a federal crime for someone to use their position as a postal employee to evade paying a ticket. The Office of the Special Counsel loves those cases.

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u/Eighteen-and-8 May 28 '24

Non-moving violations (parking, opening a door on a highway, unsafe tire, etc.)=Driver and USPS do not pay these citations, as they are 'exempt' based on the concept of sovereign immunity.

Moving violations (speeding, failure to obey traffic control device, not wearing a seatbelt, etc.) =Driver is on the clock, conducting official postal duties? Then USPS will reference its processes and procedures. Driver doesn't pay (right away) until case is proven, etc.

There's a process to follow, so always notify mgt and go through the process--a judge could toss out your speeding ticket while you were working on the clock--you never know.

(Have not heard of the OSC wasting time on USPS' traffic tickets as it's pretty much settled law.)

If any damages are to be recovered from negligence of USPS or of its employees, these get handled administratively first, then via Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA) process if necessary. Same for all federal agencies, not just USPS. 

Ref 1: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/federal-tort-claims-act/

Ref 2: https://www.uspsoig.gov/reports/audit-reports/tort-claims-management-western-area

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 27 '24

lol because OP broke the law, USPS didn’t. All drivers must adhere to local laws. I guess if you run over a child while driving an LLV you’re in the clear too, huh?

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u/Beefcake2008 City Carrier May 27 '24

They dont that’s what he is saying

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

I think it’s complicated what local law enforcement can do to us. The USPS has some powers to ignore laws when those laws would impede the delivery of mail. Of course how willing the USPS is to defend you depends on the severity of the crime you have committed.

For example local police cannot search a postal vehicle because the interior is federal jurisdiction. If pulled over I’m pretty sure the proper procedure is to call the postal inspectors

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u/watchtheworldsmolder May 28 '24

Local police have no jurisdiction over federal vehicles; I’ve been told by at least several officers

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Keep in mind if you commit a felony you will be dragged out in handcuffs. But parking on a sidewalk, speeding, driving too slow ect they cannot give a fine. You don't own the vehicle, the insurance you don't pay for, and the registration is a number on the truck. All government vehicles follow the same rules. Even ones with those special plates.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 28 '24

uh, the individual gets the ticket, not the vehicle.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Sure... can you present a valid registration or proof of insurance? You can't. How do they proceed? Now if you run somebody over, you are going to jail. Your federal status won't save you there.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 28 '24

You’re not getting ticketed for lack of insurance…you’re getting ticketed for breaking traffic laws. By your logic, you can’t get a DUI while driving an LLV simply because there’s no spot on the police report for marking “postal vehicle”

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Dui is a criminal offense buddy. Its not a minor traffic violation.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 28 '24

Again, the vehicle isn’t being ticketed, you are. I’d love to see the look on your face when you fly through some red lights in front of a cop and get a ticket—“but officer, I don’t own this vehicle!” He would laugh in your face

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Again, running a red light is not a minor infraction. Those can carry criminal charges.

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u/bolshevik_rattlehead May 28 '24

But how can he write you a ticket when you can’t provide proof of insurance? /s

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u/vgkallday May 28 '24

Back to driving 120 drunk in school zones

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u/brazziel96_ May 28 '24

Bro ticketed you for 9 over!🤣🤣 what a loser.

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u/Mean_Faithlessness40 May 28 '24

Yeah, to reiterate what I said in another thread…OP you need to show up to the hearing/court date on the ticket and talk to the assistant DA before-hand (common practice). They will likely dismiss this ticket for you without even having to go in front of a judge because they will recognize that almost no cop would ticket a postal vehicle going 9 mph over. Just because the state trooper wrote the ticket doesn’t mean the DA’s office has to pursue it. Save some $$!

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u/AMC879 May 27 '24

You know you get paid by the hour, right?

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u/WeirdMailMan Rural Carrier May 27 '24

Not as Rural

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u/Agentx_007 Rural Carrier May 28 '24

On a Sunday/holiday yes they do.

Source: me was an RCA working Sunday for 5 years straight.

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u/AMC879 May 27 '24

Oh, missed the rural tag.

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u/AllchChcar Rural Carrier May 28 '24

With all due respect, you're out of your element a wee bit.

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u/Maleficent-Nothing35 City Carrier May 28 '24

I always assumed the police didn't fuck with us as mutual respect. Just like when they ask me for help I oblige. Anonymously of course.

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u/watchtheworldsmolder May 28 '24

Hahaha the only people they respect is themselves

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u/NothingMan1975 City Carrier May 28 '24

I am friendly with the officers in the town I work. It always pays to be friends with the fuzz. According to them, unless you are being a clear and present danger, they are ignoring us.

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u/NothingMan1975 City Carrier May 28 '24

Statey yanked a postal vehicle for 9 over? What a dick.

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u/Downtown-Tip9688 May 27 '24

Get paid by the click why are you speeding

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u/icecubepal May 28 '24

I always thought 5 over was safe. I never try to go over 5.

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u/Vegaprime Maintenance May 28 '24

Not a carrier, but when I have to drive there's no way I'm speeding. I get paid by the hour.

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u/Ok-Accountant5973 May 28 '24

You still have to abide by all traffic rules and regulations when driving postal vehicles. We are not exempt from getting tickets for speeding.

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u/Mean_Faithlessness40 May 28 '24

I think some folks missed the point here. The state patrol wrote the ticket, you have the right to appeal it to the local district attorney. I had a state patrol officer write me a ticket once going a lot slower than average (not on the clock) than most traffic in that area does but technically speeding. The assistant DA laughed and threw it out. I think if you show up to the date on the ticket and say you were the mailman going 9 mph over on the highway the DA’s office would get a good chuckle and drop the fine. State patrol was showing off, city and sheriff wouldn’t have wasted your time. Good luck.

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u/poop_to_live May 28 '24

Op admitted to speeding. They're not going to get this overturned.

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u/Mean_Faithlessness40 May 28 '24

That’s not how a traffic stop usually works, the trooper is not a judge. I’m guessing from your comment you may never have contested a moving violation? All persons subjected to a traffic stop have due process rights at least in the states that I am familiar with and if you bother to show up to the hearing date the DA will usually knock down the fine or drop it if you are a reasonable person. DA/assistant DAs know that most people speed some and are not always as big of jerks as whoever wrote the ticket.

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u/No_Case5367 May 28 '24

Doesn’t matter you’re paying for your own ticket. Happened to me years ago while driving a dodge caravan delivering express mail.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Wtf! That cop is a dk

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u/JDReedy Clerk May 28 '24

What kind of piece of shit pulls over a postal worker? You weren't even going that fast.

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u/Aandiarie_QueenofFa May 28 '24

You could fight it. You may be able to argue that the officer incorrectly measured your speed. A driver also may have a defense if they exceeded the speed limit in an emergency to avoid causing serious harm to the driver or others. Or can present photos and diagrams of the scene to show road, weather, and traffic conditions. Also, you can argue that you were keeping up with the speed of traffic around you, and driving more slowly would have created a hazard. If he doesn't show up to the court date you could win. :)

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u/AdvoDay May 27 '24 edited May 28 '24

your not supposed to go on high ways unless instructed too
Sorry my ADHD posted this to fast

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u/poop_to_live May 28 '24

Where is this written?

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u/AdvoDay May 28 '24

The sentence was , your not supposed to go on highways unless instructed to