Its not r Kuro, its wuwa really. PGR gives everything that isnt a skin pretty much for free.
That kinda means WuWa playerbase flat out buys everything anyway, regardless of patch quality, so the devs don't care as much about giving free stuff. If we don't vote with our wallets, nothing will ever change, and the next anniversary will be even worse.
The people who are willingly forking $1000s on Wuwa to keep the game running donât care about 1 free character fyi. Telling a couple hundred Redditors who werenât gonna spend money anyways to âvote with your walletâ isnât gonna work.
My main issue with it was the controls. I don't like touch control games, I NEED controller controls and I have not figured out how to play this with a controller that feels "normal". If someone's got a good scheme/some hint please DO tell as I wanna delve into it desperately.
Yea. I'd like to play PGR on PC but because they don't have a setting to map the color coded attacks to separate buttons it just can't be done while feeling "normal". Last time I tried it was so weird.
Thats because it wouldnt work with the orbs system. The core of it wants 3 pings, so 3 orbs of the same colour connected. If you have a button for say, yellow or, when you have 8 orbs visible, and your yellows are all over the place, what does it ping?
However, over the years, 3 pings have become less of an issue as most constructs either are able to reorganise orbs into 3 pings in their kit, or flat out don't even use them (they get white orbs, which can be used for any colour attack).
And next patch they're adding in a simplified orbs mode, which apparently will make all constructs like this; have a single red/yellow/blue orb (plus a special for some constructs), and the orbs you generate just stack on the colour (like how Nanami Startrail or Jetavie work). So you can literally have one button for red, one for blue etc. Maybe try again?
Next patch(in just a few days) they are introducing a revamp in the ping system greatly simplifying it, playing with controller is going to feel much much better cos the amount of keybinds is reduced greatly
Give it a try, it's a cool game. The characters are gorgeous and generally fun to play, and they do give away a lot of character selectors with older (but still good) units, as well as some new characters. Incidentally, you can get Nirvatia for free through an event that is active until the 20th and her weapon and CUB are in a permanent event shop.
However, when I see people talking about this game they often make it sound like you get every character just casually playing the game, which isn't the case. You can technically get every character, but you normally don't get enough currency within a patch to guarantee the on-banner character, let alone with their signature weapons (which are often needed), without dipping into permanent content rewards. Also, teams are quite restrictive as most endgame stages buff a particular element while resisting everything else, and building a full team for those free characters can be a chore.
They also don't give out too many materials and a lot of them are time-gated so building characters feels very slow. They did say they'd start giving more of some types of materials to alleviate this though.
Also, the interactions between the Commandant and the characters are very unapologetically parasocial. There are things like wedding skins and events, and a few characters literally say they love you (as in, the Commandant).
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm only listing my own gripes with the game to hopefully temper expectations. I've had (and still do) plenty of fun with it and encourage you to try it out as well.
dailies and weeklies will get you every character in pgr and that's pretty casually. They take like 20 minutes for the entire week in total to get. If you do events as well you'll usually end up with more than needed for pity (you will need to play consistently)
Building the characters shouldn't be a chore at all except just starting out. After a little bit you should have an abundance of resources, and you can build characters in literally minutes.
The only thing you don't get is signature weapons and cubs which are only required if you want to compete against spenders scores. It's not necessary to complete any content, nor are cubs
The story starts SLOW, but after chapter 8, it get genuinely good... also the skins that they made and alt versions are SO FUN to use... I didn't continue playing it because it required more and more time, but PGR is one of the best games that you can get in gacha market.
In most spaces, we aren't and the players either play both or don't care enough to comment on one or the other. It's just that the further into a fandom you get, the more likely it is that you'll encounter the most tribal members of said fandom.
No offence or anything but the way I see things is like this -
Zzz being hoyos title is trying to be in the atleast top 5 like it's siblings - genshin and HSR, hence the rewards to attract players, while wuwa doesn't have any siblings to beat in that terms hence no rewards at all lol
It's like hoyo got this big expectation for their every title to be big (around top5 revenue) so they're trying the same for zzz but it seems kuro is happy where they're now
HSR lets you swap standard characters for specific older limited characters so when you lose the 50/50, you can actually lose it to a limited character you may not own
wouldnt mind this in every gacha game
Genshin is giving a standard 5* character per year, and 4 free constellations for 5* characters that you can choose from a somewhat big pool of older characters, it also implemented a mechanic that garantees the 50/50 win if you lose too many times in a row
HSR lets to lose the 50/50 to limited characters and gives 5* characters like theyre candy
ZZZ also gives away 5* characters like theyre candy
all 3 of this games are also buffing older characters, even ZZZ that came out 1 month after Wuwa
the new Mongil: Star Dive has garanteed limited characters and weapons, and gives you a free 10 pull on the weapon banner after you get the limited character, up to 70 pulls, so if you get S6 character, you can the weapon basically for free
Wuwa gives us nothing, no free 5*, no free weapons, constellations, not even a way to save your ass from a 50/50 lose, not even event weapons (anymore) AND NOT EVEN FREE 4* CHARACTERS, even Genshin does that since 1.0
ZZZ buffs also affect way more than numbers by enhancing playstyles that are outdated. Sometimes adding auto dodges during BA strings and even parries for some charged moves like Ellen and S11. Adding entirely new attacks and animations. Brand new mechanics like Lycaon being able to stay out after switching while mirrors the attacks and dodges of the controlled unit. Some of these changes were even developed in their rogue like mode as temp buffs from the gear system. Not to mention S11 and Lycaon are standard units. I see HSR is buffing Welt soon as well.
There's no reason not to push for this kind of effort in any of the big name gachas
Made a post about how the pull system in wuwa is the most dumbest gacha system I witness and they was acting like I commit a crime. Let me just say in wuwa on limited character banners you can lose that 50/50 to a character most doesnât even use nor want but for limited time weapons youâll always get them.
I mean, even after that, the first Angels of Delusion patch gave everyone a free monthly log in pass, and the patch had almost enough gems to guarantee an S rank even with a lost 50/50.
It's a chill experience. Never too late, give it a shot. Plus you'd have a full patch before 3.0 which will most likely be another large occasion. I've always found WuWa and ZZZ to make a delicious gacha rotation. So much smashing. The enemies and the characters đť
I've been preaching this. Kuro PGR is so goddamn fantastic, but Kuro WuWa is just an assblast when ot comes to generosity to the player. This is why I stopped caring for "teams" in WuWa, if I have to drop hundreds for a character for a team. Meanwhile, I haven't spent a single dime on a character (minus skins) in PGR and got their full them since I downloaded the game 3 years ago.
They proved they were only generous at the start to keep us from leaving the game. Once they got to Rinascita and got their footing they didn't really need to keep the act up and toned it down. That wouldn't be a problem if they just reverted things for huge celebrations like anni's, but ig not. I'm pretty much checked out atp. Waiting for other competitors in the genre. I don't need free stuff, what I need is to know that a game I support appreciates my time and money. Anni's are pretty much for that exact reason, and they refuse to show the appreciation everyone including f2p's deserve. After all a lot of gacha reward you just for staying in the app. I'm sure those who are f2p are also bringing money to kuro so even if I didn't spend I'd still be upset. The anger just amplifies because I'm a spender lol.
That's prolly because pull estimates don't count the pull refund you get from pulling max mindscape a-ranks/duped s-ranks. In reality you can multiply any patch's pull amount by about 1.13 for the real amount of pulls you can expect (onlynif you're puliing obviously)
moreover, you can get her sig weapon and cub from the weekly shop. so basically a free limited NEW character fully equipped, just slap on memories and youre good to go
Just skip her affection story and get her copy for free. Service shop is permanent so don't worry if the patch ends. But the affection story is patch limited,so you have to get it now
What I like about ZZZ is that their events almost always frontload polys so if you don't like it its quick in and out. Wuwa has some event's that not only drag but also their Ast rewards are after 80% or later. That last music event was pretty neat at start but dear lord 16 tracks was way too much for some poor bare bones minigame.
My biggest regret is getting my Calculator S2. I was new in this type of games and thought that the thousands of dmg that my Calculator was doing was amazing
I can't even believe ZZZ is still under Hoyo by how generous the game is, straight up feel like another company compare to genshin and HSR, like how? Even gave a gooner skin for free which arguably would bought them even more profits
Is a gooner game and specifically stated to be for older audiences so they can cook whatever goonery they want, as for story, no comments since I stop playing actively after sometimes so i didn't have much clues about what happening to judge
Not to mention the fact that Hoyo is buffing old units even standard one (Genshin does it in a convoluted way but hey it works more or less) so those "free standard characters" for aniv isn't a bad thing
WuWa devs need to get their shit together in that aspect
To be fair tho it took Genshin like five years to finally get around to buffing characters (tho their buffs have some restrictions) and it also took them almost as long to give us a free standard character even tho HSR and ZZZ did it a lot earlier. I do hope tho that Wuwa will at least address looking into buffing the older characters, I don't care about getting free standard characters, I'd rather see older characters get direct support.
Genshin was also powercreep free for the longest time, so while itâs true that it took them 5 years to directly buff old units, it wasnât really needed in 3.x or even 4.x, the indirect buffs with new teammates, sets and reactions were enough. Like Hu Tao was dethroned as the best pyro carry only with Arleâs release in 4.6. Hu Tao was released in 1.3
I think genshin took time mostly cause the game meta isnât as bad as zzz and hsr. Like hsr old characters got powercrept really fast even anni character Acheron. Genshin you can still clear endgame with old characters like my c2 ei can still do really good in abyss.
They did, Tencent has like 49% of wuwa lmao (probably more because this was from 2 years ago info). That's definitely one of the reasons. Gotta appease shareholder value first right? Shareholder value is so bs.
Kuro has a minority of shares now, because Tencent bought that Hero Entertainment company that helped develop WuWa back in the day. They promised that they won't interfere with Kuro's policies as long as they generate enough money. Welp... :)
Lol I've experienced people make fun of genshin for not giving out a lot of freebies and how the players coped with that, so it's kinda cathartic the same is happening to WuWa.
That aside, I genuinely think if they had given another standard selector, the anniversary would be received much better. We always get free pulls every patch, so giving something extra would make sense considering it's the anniversary. I know standard characters are not meta and getting a copy wouldn't change much for your account but it would definitely helped the optics.
intentionally leaves out the single most important complaint, that the selector banner sucked. Instead of fixing that due to criticism they learned the wrong lesson and thought the banner itself was the problem and just won't have one.
There is no way to read this without seeing intellectual dishonesty
it doesn't even felt like anniversary at all, it is just another normal story patch without any flair, which probably either good and bad depending the people
me personally, good normal patch, bad anniversary patch, should've just hold it back couple weeks after the story patch done
Kuro understood they could get away with it. Last year anniversary had no consequences to them, in fact they went on to win the player choice award and have some of their biggest selling banners (Carty and Amy).
I'd be fine also with rerun banners if they had 1st time 100% and maybe a reduced hard/soft pity.
Free 5*star would have been amazing but I never expected that... maybe a bit. The collab announcement should have happened at least. A teaser... something?
My friend started playing the game because of Cyberpunk collab. And he needs characters like SK. This anni is really bad for new players. I have lots of teams and almost all of the 1.x character (I think only Jiyan is missing), so I dont need a free 5* selector. However new endgame requires multiple teams. Giving a little helping hand to new players with a free 5* selector at a big patch like anni patch right before Cyberpunk would help great for growth. If they dont give anything free in Cyberpunk collab I wont defend this game anymore. It will be just pure greed.
Its far from WuWa level popular but its going along, I think its already in version 6.x, prob shorter version cycles compared to other games. Haven't touched it in years but get updates here and there.
Last I played was a couple of months ago. Gacha server is completely dead and everyone moved to the warped server. I didn't see the same 5 people in chat like in gacha server 𤣠it was somewhat more lively. Still couldn't find matches though, especially during events. Had to do the old ask chat and wait approach.
If ToF is anything to go by, their UI is going to be terribly user-unfriendly and buggy. When I last played a few months ago, it still had interactable popup notifications layering on top of eachother with auto-dismiss timers, and each intercepting different button presses.
They also had players quitting en-masse because they thought their characters had been deleted, when in fact their server list was incorrect. That went on for months.
ZZZ has honestly been the most generous ever since, we've gotten 2 free limited 5 stars so far. Only issue is it's kinda a one time thing so if you miss them it's basically up in the air when they come back lmao.
Free standard characters or 1.x characters mostly appeals to newer players but it sends a positive message and makes the game feel more welcoming, Iâm ecstatic about the content coming but as a day 1 player I donât think I wouldâve really been super excited for an old character unless they receive buffs. That being said the quality of the game keeps improving and the anniversary as a whole looks very fun.
(2nd part I kinda rant)
A gacha I used to play when I was younger that really knew how to create a hype anniversary is Dragon ball Z Dokkan Battle, and no gacha Iâve ever played even comes close to the hype for anniversaries as it, obviously it has a great advantage of using the name and franchise of Dragon ball however I think the producers of that game understand how to create hype. Wuwa should perhaps make a reawakening system that allows us to boost certain characters into making them meta relevant on certain teams, their stats increase and they can receive certain kit reworks that sort of limit them to still make them have use without getting rid of the incentive to pull for new ones, so for example when you use a reawakened Calcharo he at a baseline does a little more dmg then if you use him with a new specific character he gains a link buff that allows his new kit to work which makes the team strong. No one loses, you still have the normal Calcharo to use or a reworked kit when in a certain team, thatâs how you make old characters good without losing sales on new characters
Why are yâall complaining about this? The devs are clearly putting in serious work on the upcoming story and new area, and weâre getting 200+ pulls next patch.
Would you really prefer a free permanent 5* and just 60â90 pulls, or no free characters but 200+ pulls instead? The answer seems pretty obvious. At some point, it just feels like people are looking for reasons to complain.
Itâs crazy that Hoyo is giving out five stars and buffing older units at the same time as releasing new ones. And so its especially disappointing for me with Kuro since there are older units that desperately need updating but still nothing and I was expecting some type of surprise for a free unit because even Hoyo can manage a free unit for the players. When I saw the HSR anniversary event, I thought Kuro was going to dominate, but what a mistake on my part thinking that. It's just so blizzare that kuro dropped the ball again. Smh
People keep mentioning ZZZ, but HSR has given out SEVEN 5*s since 3.0. These were a standard selector, 3 free Golden Tokens (as of 4.2), Archer, Dan Heng PT, and a LIMITED selector that included SPARKLE. You can make one of the best teams in the game right now with these units.
Great comparision. Wuwa should also learn from the great unvoiced "Fate" collaboration. Since we actually like comparing, they should do the bare minimum or nothing to improve the game throughout the year and then just give free 5* to please the angry players đđ
To be fair, I would take free standard pulls over standard 5 star character selector. That being said the anniversary this time doesnât feel like anniversary at all đ
No Brant rerun? L. Sure, let's rerun Mornye 50 times instead. All they had to do last year is remove 50/50 for the first character of your choice to make things better, but they decided to make it worse.
The only thing I'm looking forward to is 100 Gb of free space after I uninstall this game.
NGL next patch feels like just another patch. Like a good patch but nothing is giving anniversary. Like I'm not hyped anymore than I'd be for any other WuWa patch.
Look i dont want free 5 star, i'd rather have more pulls, but there are 2 things i wanted from them for Anniversary, that is, character rerun banners, and announcement of cyberpunk collab.
that's it, they could atleast have said something about the collab so that i can save my pulls.
I want people who still try to defend against Kuro's horrible reward to know that you're actively fighting against implementation of better and meaningful rewards
Jeez why you guys so greedy. Asking for a free five star character so early in the game is nuts. If you guys plan ahead then almost every character is obtainable, not kidding (Day 1 F2P character with a s3 shorekeeper)
The only thing I am missing is the multiple character rerun.
The thing that separates Zzz from the rest of the mainstream Gacha's is that you can feel the Devs really care and know how the game works and constantly improve it .
Something as trivial as Lottery ticket mechanic where you can get a few polychromes and little things to do throughout the map makes it more alive , Weekly resetting endgame , Actual fun events with differing mechanics and acces to all characters , AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ATLEAST 1 CHARACTER SKIN PER PATCH .
People don't realise how important character skins are , even if they are skins for 4 stars or However they are obtained . It constantly reminds you that they have not forgotten about the characters .
It should be the golden standard for any upcoming/ongoing mainstream Gacha . HSR isn't far off but they seriously need to up their Event game , Wuwa is somewhere on Hsr's level but the lack of Free Units and the Abandonment of 1.x cats holds it back (Where tf are Jinhsi and Changli ?? Tf you mean after spending money on Jinhsi she is irrelevant in the story despite being one of most important lore characters) . Genshin is still the worse tho if it's story wasn't as good as it is people would have dropped it in a heartbeat seeing how it treats it's player base
yeah because a powercrept standard banner character would totally be amazing (nobody really gives a fuck) Genshin choices are all 100% horrible of which all of them were already powercrept in the first few months, same with the zzz choices, i never played hsr but from i hear characters get powercrept by unholy amounts on a weekly basis so lol. I really don't think getting a free CALCHARO would be anything to smile, like, at all. None of the characters are good, they were powercrept on release lmao. I think rewards could be a lot better than what they are, but a free dogshit characters just to say "OMAGAD FREFIVESTAR OMG OMG" is such a silly and dumb take
Don't forget HSR also gave out free Archer, free DHPT, free Topaz (shop), free selector (with Acheron, buffed Sparkle) and now free Huohuo/Robin. All this IN THE PAST 9 MONTHS ONLY. + buffing older units...etc.
ZZZ gave out also free Zhao besides what's shown here. + also buffing older units even standard.
And Genshin gives out 4 constellations per year, besides the selector on anniversary. + also buffs through Hexenzirkel.
The only free limited character we got in wuwa was ONCE in TWO years - Xiangli Yao. That's it.
But hey, at least we got more bike skins I guess...
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u/Basic-Bag-6341 Apr 17 '26
ZZZ don't even need anniversaries to give out free 5-stars.
Come on Kuro keep up with your competitors đ