r/WutheringWaves • u/Brougoat • 1d ago
General Discussion 4.x Expectation/Changes
We are so close to 4.x, so there are some things that I want to see in 4.x.
This is all my personal opinion/expectations, so please don't spread any hate. If you disagree, it's completely fine.
So, first thing.
1. Reruns: So, this might not be a big deal for many people, but I kinda hate reruns in wuwa. Some characters have had reruns 1–2 times, and that was also a long time ago. And now we're getting Lynae and Chisa back-to-back reruns.
And Shorekeeper being in the spending event... I was happy when I saw the "Reverb Banner" in 3.3. I thought we were finally gonna get old characters rerun in this banner, but they just ran it once and never brought it back.
So, my wish is that they just rerun all old characters in chronological order, or make old characters available in the standard banner. I mean, nobody cares about the current standard character banner.
I have teams that have been incomplete since day 1 because I never get the chance to pull their teammates. I pulled Cart and her sig, thinking surely we'll get a Ciaccona rerun soon, but we never got one. Same with Shorekeeper. I missed her on the beginner banner, and now there's no sign of Shorekeeper's rerun. I started playing in 2.7, and SK had her rerun in 2.6, I think... unfortunate.
2. Old Characters Buffs: They kinda buff older characters in Endstate, which is great, but I hope they rework older characters' kits more or give them new mechanics like Tune/NS. I mean, I see the light after Hsin and Jinhsi's Unison. It would be great to see Jiyan getting Aero Erosion or Camellya getting Echo Skill, Havoc Bane, or something like that.
Or they can just do what other gacha games do and buff
older characters so they work with new character mechanics. That's just my personal take.
3. Old Sonatas: We all know how bad the old Sonatas are, especially the DPS ones. And because of that, older DPS characters fall behind and miss crits like crazy without Shorekeeper, and even with Shorekeeper.
So, I just hope they rework some old Sonatas and add crit stats to them or something like that.
Or bring 3-pc sets back. They're goated IMO, but farming them is a pain. If they fix that by adding them to Tacet Fields, that'll be insane. So, yeah, they can just make 3-pc sets for older characters because nobody uses 3-pc sets other than the characters that are made for them.
A great example is doing something like Lucilla, because Lucilla can activate Phrolova's set if you didn't know. But it won't do anything because Lucilla isn't a DPS.
4. QoL/Changes: Well, I don't have any problems with QoL because wuwa always does a great job with it. Still, there's something that I want to see in the future.
- Give Transducers to F2P players. I know Transducers are a scam, but you can hit the jackpot too, right? You never know. Make them available through events or a game mode challenge. Idk, something like Currency War from HSR, where they give you 2 Transducers per patch.
- Sequence Deactivation. I don't have any S6 characters, but it'll help many content creators test characters.
- New Standard Weapon: Give me a crit rectifier, Kuro, pls.
- Loading Screen: Bruh, nowadays, everything I click just gives me a loading screen. It's getting annoying (that's just my personal problem). The loading screen takes more time than doing dailies.
What else... that's pretty much it. I know there are many things I want to see, but these are the ones I want to see the most.
Let me know your thoughts and what you want to see in the future.
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u/strwberrymatcha-boba 1d ago
I need a training dummy so bad i wanna learn quickswap more efficiently
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u/CJMobile 1d ago
This. A training room that lets us bring a TEAM into it to practice rotation
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u/2nd-penalty 1d ago
Or even just a drom system like the teapot from genshin, some of us just wants to appreciate a characters model more
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u/strwberrymatcha-boba 1d ago
Omg yes i’ve been suggesting a dorm system in the survey since forever
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u/BoxInside7620 1d ago
Honestly all I ask for is 2FA. A gacha game this big without it is insane
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u/strwberrymatcha-boba 1d ago
Yes i noticed genshin has it and i was so appreciative of it i hope wuwa implements it one day
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u/WinterNecessary6587 1d ago
Pity counter, this should be easy
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u/Superfluous369 1d ago
Yeah when you don't put it on the page and force players to go into history and manually count, that's dumb
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u/Alternative-Gas-8878 1d ago edited 1d ago
idk if it’s just me or if other people have this issue, but I get annoyed when new areas of the version’s region are in their separate maps instead of expanding existing land
edit for clarification: I specifically mean areas that have their own “domains” like the Simulacrum Nexus of Mengzhou, Vault Underground and Fabricatorium of the Deep in Ragunna, etc.
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u/AriaIsHer 1d ago
One of my favorite things about Genshin when I started playing it many years after launch was that I could visit almost the entire map at will whenever I wanted. I could pull a character from year 3 of the game and without playing any story quests just wander my way to their region and collect their materials. It gave the world so much feeling of scale to be able to get creative and find ways to make it to new regions whenever I wanted.
Meanwhile half the WuWa character launches require I complete some portion of that just-released patch’s story to farm for them. I can’t even imagine what it would feel like to start this game today and then pull some rerun character that has ascension mats in a place that unlocks only after playing through a dozen MSQ
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u/SerafRhayn 1d ago
That bit about new characters mats in locked regions? Feeling that even now. I have YYXL and Suisui among others, and if it weren’t for limited access to Myriad Snare and mat boxes, they’d still be stuck at Level 40. But they’ll still be stuck at some ascension level because of other mats until I reach their region
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u/gatsssuuuu 1d ago
This is me. I started at 3.6 and pulled Qingxiao, It’s sucks when I had to break the immersion cuz I need to jump the story here and there.
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u/DarkGrundi 1d ago
it is easier to delete these maps with storage optimization if they aren't on the world map to begin with. That is the reason. IF we go back to fully interconnected maps, then people will cry about storage size again.
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u/freezeFM 1d ago
But can you actually delete them? What if you wanna teleport there? You will need to download it again?
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u/RyoikiMikata Strong intelligent Women lover. 1d ago
Same! Game doesn't feel open world at all! I used to explore and unlock the whole waypoint in Genshin before even starting the quest. I hated Inazuma because it was quest restrictive. But later Sumeru, Natlan was direct link to Liyue felt awesome.
I can't do the same in Wuwa. Only think I can remember was later Septimont area.
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u/Alternative-Gas-8878 1d ago
a lot of jinzhou and felt open world, but it’s definitely gone down a bit. honestly I like each “country” being separate from each other, but my issue lies in how many new subregions within each version are locked behind domains, it slows down progress, and also makes it less likely for player to go back to the areas later on
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u/100percent-sales-tax Miko of the flaming MasterCard 1d ago
Maybe something to do?
We have good character design, really nice LOOKING maps and assets, but after the series of cutscenes and QT events that is the main story it's just been an absolute barren void of nothing to do. The maps are empty, the exploration and side quests are far and few. Endgame hasn't developed or changed. Cooking and synthesis levels were just.. abandoned. Fishing and interesting side / comfy activities are just absolutely ABANDONED. Arcade games, abandoned.
I want an interesting overworld that is actually meaningful to explore and has things to do. This game already has handfuls of proven fun and evergreen content that just needs basic updates but it seems every good thing gets thrown in the dumpster regardless of player reception.
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u/CharlesEverettDekker 1d ago
As someone who is playing since literally day 1:
Story events with older characters. I need something what Genshin does. Yes, we bring Genshin into this. Give us story events that have little to no relevance to main story but expand on regions/characters. Some battle event fighting off Retroactive rain with 1.x characters or some murder mystery with 2.x characters.
50-50 loss prevention mechanic. Something like Capturing Radiance from Genshin.
Buffs to older characters. Some characters just need their numbers upgraded. We also could combine 1 point and this one. Just.. like Genshin did. Bring a small quest to every old character, make them do some little errand and give them a buff. Verina gets spectro frazzle, Aalto gets aero errosion etc etc.
Rover can be used separetely for all his elemets and gets endstate/toa energy for that.
*optional* give us standard srover/hrover/erover weapons or update his arover signature for these elemets.
Other than that, the only thing I want is for them to slow down on powercreep. I know it's inevitable, but just slow down.
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u/Playcool92 1d ago
People will trash so much on Genshin, but honestly, after playing it, despite remaining outdated in a few things, almost all the things you mentionated, the game has done for awhile, and Wuwa is the one not up to par.
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u/Demonix822 8h ago
Just curious as to why your thoughts on this. As someone who tried genshin for not long. For me, and why I can’t stand many other gacha games. Is player control and direction. Wuthering’s combat, while not perfect or even very notable at times, has a depth of control all the others seem to lack. Heavy attacks and the forte gauge are main factors in this. Whereas Genshin, NTE, and others only have you spamming basic attacks and skill/ult cooldowns(I know NTE had some characters with special things but none of mine did and it was hard to put up with), early Wuthering suffers this problem as well with characters like Chixia and base Yangyang, but it very quickly develops beyond even with characters like Sanhua and Jiaxin. I really wanted to explore Genshin, but its lack of free sprinting makes that annoying for long distance travel. So I won’t get to see the pretty sights from the ads :(
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u/boboverlord 1d ago
Bro is really asking for repeating the hated filler patches.
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u/Fuzzy-Willingness-35 17h ago
Event story and main story can exists in the same patch. Shocker, I know.
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u/boboverlord 16h ago
Wuwa has pretty much a full year of main story compared to 4 patches a year in genshin, yet some people are asking for even more. Next time ask for every 5* chars being free too.
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u/Fuzzy-Willingness-35 16h ago
Yeah man, how dare people ask for more from a multibillion dollar company? Having more events like Where Stars Cascade Down is simply impossible. And not like we have Tales quest this update, on top of MSQ, right? Maybe if the story was structured in a proper way we wouldn't have the need for something like that, since MSQ serves the same purpose as event stories anyway, like Sigrika or Honami ones.
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u/boboverlord 15h ago
Do you hold another multibillion dollar company (the bigger one) as strict standard and critical as this one? The one with no English lipsync I mean.
That 3.1 event story is more about Kuro bending its own worldbuilding to make characters from different regions to be together at once, which isnt something that can be done often. 3.0 was already started off as Lahai-roi having strong voidstorm season right away. And people will keep asking Kuro to have this kind of event story in every patch?
Tales quest is not an event story my dude. It's basically high budget exploration quest.
Maybe if the game's main story was structured in the "proper way" according to you, this game would have been EoS'd by now.
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u/Fuzzy-Willingness-35 13h ago
I quit all Hoyo games and don't engage with them for a while, now, so why should I even talk about its issues on WuWa sub? You criticize the product when you care for it, not when it's dead to you. When I was a part of these communities, for the record, I also did held them to a critical standard.
Bending worldbuilding? In WuWa? Where you have high tech world with separate realities stacked on top? The same WuWa that has events related to Somnoire every other patch, which easily integrated various characters in 1.4 event? You don't need to bend anything, that's just an excuse. Even when worldbuilding allows for an event story, you know, like the current one that had a whole ass festival, it doesn't happen. Same goes to the end of Rinascita where characters celebrated off-screen, denying any character dynamic between Galbrena and Augusta.
Tales quest still had hours of high budget, which is the point. It not being tagged as event story is irrelevant to the discussion. It shows that it isn't impossible to have a high effort quest on top of MSQ in the same patch. A reminder that you equated having event stories to obligatory fillers in your first reply.
It sure is interesting how every other gacha except for WuWa didn't EoS with your line of thinking, because having a fragmented and immersion-breaking story is a good thing, apparently. Even though it gets criticized the most despite being oh so perfect, I suppose.
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u/Arleif 1d ago
I like all your recomendations except the first one, can't believe people asking Wuwa for filler patch that the community hated back in 1.2, 2.1 and 2.3. But I think the solution is simple for Kuro to make side quest and world quest voiced for expanding the region because they are really good but most people skipped it cause no voice. As for the old character, let's make it into event like back in 3.1 Lolo mansion, no need to bring Genshin too this.
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u/Gamingwolf802 1d ago
They didn’t like it cuz that was the only form of content during the update, people were happy with the companion quests for Carlotta, changli, and cantarella, if making companion quests something that will stop them from making the main story purely for selling characters then I am all for it
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
"will stop them from making the main story purely for selling characters then I am all for it"
Larp
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u/the-most-unlucky- 1d ago
Bringing back some of the old events from 1.x, I really liked parkour events :)
Ill use your post to put on the surveg
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u/Brougoat 1d ago
i didn't play during 1.x so don't know about those events but i would love to see that as well.
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u/the-most-unlucky- 1d ago
They are nice! I think you can still find them in the huanglong map
But maaan, I would love another parkour challenge like the one you cant touch the ground, I find them really fun
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u/100percent-sales-tax Miko of the flaming MasterCard 1d ago
Literally anything. We have these good looking maps that are just completely empty. Simulacrum is egregiously empty .. I shouldn't have memorized the location of every mob because there are so few.
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u/Azazels_Dumbfck 1d ago
All i want from this game at this point is to not be forced to use the damn bike. I just want the option to use either the bike, or the wings, at my personal Leisure.
Forcing the people who dont like the bike, will only hurt them. It will not boost reason for said people uninterested in the bike, to buy a bike skin. Meanwhile the people who actually like the bike, will get the cosmetics for the bike.
I really dont care if i can even get new glider wings. I really, honestly, only wish to be able to use them instead of the bike since (at least on mobile) the controls for the bike are so absolutely ass that it drives me genuinely insane.
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u/gojover121231 1d ago
Yangyang xuanling should also do a Rerun (even though it seems a bit early doing her as rerun, but why not)
But otherwise i agree with you
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u/Brougoat 1d ago
I also need yyxl i missed her on debut
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u/gojover121231 1d ago edited 1d ago
ALSO,where zani at? its been 84 years
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u/milk-is-for-calves 1d ago
It's also weird that she has no re-run, when there is a spending event for Phoebe.
Like I am considering spending money to get her or Carlotta, but who knows when I will be able to finish building a team with either of them?
(I guess Lynae will re-run soon, but I need Mornye already for another team. So I would have to wait for Zheshi for Carlotta)
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u/gojover121231 1d ago
*lynae rerun is on second half of 3.7 (oct 22- nov11)
while its cool to see lynae, there could be better choices to re run somebody else yk.
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u/kunafa_aj Carlotta/Chisa Enjoyer 1d ago edited 1d ago
The whole rerun thing is mainly to amp up the FOMO
Would you look at tht,2 of the most desired characters are getting a rerun (Lynae/Chisa) with the most hyped unit of the region(Hsin),and she also runing with her dedicated subdps (Suoming),so you might wanna spend abit to get them,oh and conviniently there a spending event tht will give the most requested verstile healer in the game
Also Lily banner is nxt patch and shes might be the main healer for tht Hsin/Suoming team you pulled,so maybe pay abit more,might aswell finish up tht spending event you know,Haha
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u/TisEric 1d ago
On the flip side to low spenders like myself , this kind of "here are 10 extreamely important characters at the same time!" shtick makes me want to avoid them all because no matter which one i like or pull for im getting a gimped team for a better part of 1-2 years and thats assuming the won't rerun them against another better character at that time.
I completely avoided the "elation" team comp which is the newest character type in HSR because i was missing the BiS support for that team and investing in it is a losing strategy for a f2p player.
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u/albedo-l 1d ago
My biggest gripe is that every single time we get a new archetype, it’s literally nothing but just damage numbers. Let’s take echo skill damage characters, for example. In any other gacha game, echo skill characters actually mean something, you’d be fighting alongside an echo. But no, with the exception of one character (Phorlova), it’s almost always the character doing the damage instead of a echo.
Or when it comes to heavy attacks: when you have a heavy attack character, most of the time there are no different inputs. You’re literally just inputting normal attacks it’s just called “heavy attack” so that you can’t use Sanhua, because God forbid she becomes usable for any new main DPS. I could go on and on about every single other archetype because it basically just boils down to the same thing, the same problems. It feels much less like an actual archetype and more like something artificial created to force team comps, rather than actually creating unique teams with diverse skill sets.
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u/Verria 1d ago
This is so real. People glaze the hell out of wuwa combat but I feel like they're just as lazy as the others when it comes to designing (now).
Phrolova was easily my most coveted character (I don't even like her personality or story that much) just due to her combat design. It's so entirely different than any other character and truly encompasses what I imagine "echo" fighter should be.
That and the fact that most echoes, if they're not the 4 cost summons, are useless to use. They took such a cool system where you could potentially use any of the ones in the game and did the lame "if equipped on main slot" so you NEVER equip anything else. Hate echo system now.
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u/albedo-l 1d ago
I don’t think it’s necessarily laziness. It’s just that they became extremely popular, and that’s almost always the death of a gacha game ( ironically) because now they don’t have to actually cater to the fanbase. Since they have a huge contingent of casuals who’ll pretty much take anything, they can afford to screw us over more. That’s why I pray every day that my favorite gacha games don’t become popular.
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u/hackenclaw . . 1d ago
the games has gone down hill after 2.x. The only thing that hold up is the main story, infact thats only 3.1-3.3. The rest of it is mediocre waiful story again and again after 3.4.
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u/Ifalna_Shayoko 1d ago
Another spending event with Shorekeeper.
I'll get her to S6 eventually. :<
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u/milk-is-for-calves 1d ago
How good is her S1?
Would that be better than hoping to make a 3rd team with Carlotta or Phoebe? (I could run Shorekeeper with them and hope for a Zani or Zheshi re-run.)
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u/Ifalna_Shayoko 1d ago
Carlotta?
Roughly a 10% damage increase via passive Crit Rate on her ult.
Not bad but it won't save an old unit from being powercrept. Unless you want to push further for S3+.
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u/milk-is-for-calves 21h ago
Shorekeeper. I have only pulled her once.
I am considering spending the 150 bucks for the event, but I am not sure who to pick.
My current teams are YangYangXL/Rebecca/SuiSui and Qianxiao/Denia/Mornye
So currently Shorekeeper has no team. I am trying to get Hsin, who I might get if I spend the money.
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u/Zonlul-simp69 1d ago
Got her S3 last year, no field time on healer really spoiled me.
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u/Ifalna_Shayoko 1d ago
I'm currently deciding S3 Shorekeep or S1 Carlotta.
Leaning towards the Wife, since +10% more damage on Lotti won't make a dent when the inevitable 4.x HP adjustment rears it's ugly head.
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u/getratioed_ 1d ago
I'm probably gonna get downvoted into hell but yeah I agree with you. I just about finished this spending event and I've gotten so many good things especially I started a new account and basically had ZERO supports.
I was able to get all three characters on the current banners and two weapons alone from this patch bc of the spending event (and bought Chisa's skin) so I would like more spending events.
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u/Ifalna_Shayoko 1d ago
The spending event does not give currency. You did not get "all 3 characters because of the spending event".
The spending event just gives some goodies to people that were going to spend on the yearly top-up reset anyway.
The next spending event will most likely be on Chinese New Year, when their core audience gets gifted a lot of cash.
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u/Not-westurd_me 1d ago
i need all 2.0 char rerun
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u/CookieAppropriate203 1d ago
I wish they would return the rerun banner they had in the 1st anniversary every time theres a big event, just change the characters to more modern ones really helps with getting their signatures too.
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u/abaoth 1d ago
I’m honestly getting exhausted with the current state getting worse. We went from a dev team that listened and felt like a genuine step up from other gacha spaces to: an element system that should have shook up the entire game and made everyone feel fresh and relevant again taking until 3.x+ to fully release all of them AND having them bafflingly and somewhat randomly locked to certain characters, older characters getting no buffs or reruns despite an increasing need for both in endgame, 3 new four stars total since the game’s release despite there being several characters people would love to see playable as 4 stars, the almost complete removal of character episodes outside of msq, increasingly necessary AND highly specific premium weapons, no fix/improvement of 4 stars total since weapons, a collab that (might) never reruns and had no guaranteed drop for two characters at once and also locked to 30 days for no reason PLUS a separate pull currency for no good reason let’s be real, characters that need to switch stances now outside of combat despite it previously being included in the kit (Phoebe, etc), increasingly restrictive and almost suffocating team building, hyper specific echo sets and erasure of niche echo builds being viable over time, increasingly impossible to comfortably or reliably play with friends, increasing pressure to not just pull limited characters but several copies of them….I could keep going but I think I have more than made my point by now.
It’s hard to expect anything but pain when it feels like the design philosophy at some point went from making banger gameplay and an interesting story to making me watch 3+ AMVs during MSQ & making me farm in the echo mines for 2% more crit so I can barely clear endstate in time to still not have enough points because I didn’t S6 every character in the game. I feel like I dreamed that 2.0 happened at this point we got a spending event for a SK (let’s be real she’s the best option), a shoulder Abby very few asked for and a goddamn couch absolutely no one asked for we are well and truly cooked.
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u/RYO-kai 1d ago
I wouldn't use the Cyberpunk collab as a metric for anything else
For all we know, their contract with Edgerunners was a 1-month deal, which would explain why the patch was shorter than usual, and also why me may or may not get a rerun
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u/abaoth 1d ago
It’s certainly possible, but let’s ask some basic questions. If license holders get a cut of every sale, why would it be in their best interest to have everyone wait a year for a collab that only lasts 30ish days, expands and arguably concludes story arcs left open by the original IP, and for it to possibly never return which would relegate all of that time and effort into basically being YouTube fodder for everyone who missed it? Don’t get me wrong the event was amazing but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a gacha collab on that scale last for that little amount of time. Best I can guess is that it has to rerun at some point, but if they plan to turn it into an anniversary type of event (hypothetically), it still is bonkers to only give people a month to pull for two characters plus whatever limited banner is happening at the time PLUS weapons. It was borked conceptually even with a free Rebecca.
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u/Lukesky79 1d ago
You perfectly articulated what Ive been feeling, been logging into WuWa daily since 1.1 so I could stay mostly free to play and basically only be able to pull one character every 1.5 patches. It’s becoming boring and repetitive and I’m sort of starting to hate the game. I have so many resonators, but feel like I cant build interesting cool working teams because of all these stupid sub-systems with the elements and damage types that literally aren’t adding anything interesting to the game, they just act like these locked guardrails that you would need to spend real money to pull their best in slot teammates when i don’t even like those characters or their designs. Like why do I have to feel so punished for pulling what I like when i can for free vs what is basically a paid“meta”. I guess that’s just what a gatcha game really is.
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u/ThisMemeWontDie Huffing that Copium 1d ago
I would like more interactive end game that isn't standing in a small arena and killing bosses or small waves of enemies
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u/CockDevil 1d ago
I mean I don't think they even care. Like for example we have Cart. I have her since soo long with her weapon but no Ciaconna. Nor do we get any resonator who can replace Cia as her BiS. They did a rerun for Cart but still didn't rerun Cia. Would have been perfect time to do so.
They hide Shorekeeper behind a spending event. I get it that they need to cater to the whales but atleast give others a chance!
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u/RYO-kai 1d ago
Hearing about this so often makes me really glad I S2'd Carty so she can solo, 'cause she's one of my best characters even without Ciaconna. Still keeping my eye out for S3 though
It's still annoying how long we have to wait for certain characters, so I really hope some good changes happen in 4.0
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u/rj0lnir 1d ago
I just want the new area to be a Non-Chinese style (nothing wrong with Chinese style but I like other settings more)
Considering it looks like we'll be continuing on the aftermath of Huanlong events, my wish is for naught 🙂
In any case, I will still happily play the game as I generally like it very much!
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u/Chaos_-7 1d ago
Well the next region is likely to be New Fed but there will still be future chinese region considering Huanglong still has 8 cities and we only visited Jinzhou and Xuanfang (which is just a part of Mengzhou so we didn’t even go Mengzhou main city yet)….
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u/PoMatPlay 1d ago
I returned 6 months ago and i'm waiting for Carlotta, Phoebe, Phrolova and Ciaccona for ages, reruns are a problem on most gachas but i feel Wuwa's are even worse
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
"i feel Wuwa's are even worse"
I know , its your personal experience , but that's objectively false.
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u/Ambitious_Purpose505 1d ago
You quit, so then you have no right o complain .
Phrolova literally had her rerun in 3.3, an Anniversary when many players return to try things out.
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u/General-Warning-2429 1d ago
People have more important things to do with their lives rather than play a greedy ass game. You fanboys are getting more and more annoying by each passing day.
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u/Gamingwolf802 1d ago
Oh yeah, it’s his fault for not wasting his time for the chance that one of the characters might rerun in the future /s
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u/CreamOk2519 1d ago
Honestly, they can easily buff old characters with new sonata sets like how every character has a set tailor made for them. Jiyan could get stacking heaving attack amp set with crits and attack, Jinshi should get the ability to trigger response and set that buffs her every time unison response is triggered, Changli gets skill amp set etc
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u/RYO-kai 1d ago
I really hope this isn't the only buff they get, 'cause I've done some min/maxing on older character builds already, and it would be really sad to lose all that work.
I'd much rather have a direct buff (automatic or an upgrade earned through a small mission), or buffs to the old Sonata sets that we've already poured so many resources into building
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u/No_Relief2883 Oyaaa Boss! 1d ago
1 and 3 I am afraid have 0% chance of happening unless a new gacha starts hardcore stealing players from WuWa. Even then 1 is not realistic because they already introduced a new banner for old reruns, made it use premium pulls and made the pity carry over. It would be a pretty bad rugpull to suddenly add those characters to standard banner. Not that I disagree with you, treating old obsoleted resonators the same like brand new ones is greedy af from Kuro. My only hope is that they modify that banner to run all the time and decrease guarantee to lets say 40 pulls (ideally remove 50/50 from it). That would be a good compromise that still lets them make money and isn’t as punishing to players.
I think they are too greedy to do this unfortunately.
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
"treating old obsoleted resonators the same like brand new ones is greedy af from Kuro."
All in his mind?
The, multi rerun banners in 3.5 ,had many free rebate pulls , which would allow you to guarantee a chara in 30% cheaper than before. Could be improved tho.
But the notion of "kuro treating old charas similar to new charas" is absolute bullshit, when we literally had "discounted" banners for them in 3.5 and endgame buffs for more old charas every patch in EM. Again could be improved but , just pointing out that the notion itself is objectively wrong.
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u/DemonZiggy 1d ago
Maybe optimize it so it like its 2.x or like how it was running before lahai roi
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u/Jamesbond_006 1d ago
Also stop making the new areas in version 4 and beyond disconnected. We are sick of the new areas being locked behind a loading screen and different dimensions. Please integrated the new areas into the main map or it will kill the world building. We love to explore all the map/areas seamlessly without a loading screen.
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u/SurprisedCabbage Sorry, I can't hear you from down here. 1d ago
Keep your expectations minimal, otherwise ya'll will just get angry when you get all excited over nothing.
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u/Pristine_Luck5348 1d ago
They need to rework core combat mechanics before introducing any new one for 4.x. e.g. make dodge less punishing and parry more useful.
I'm surprised at how useless dodging remains for as long as 2 years. Least they can do is make it slow down the timer upon perfect dodge to reduce dps loss. Right now its best, consistent purpose is to be an animation cancel tool for someone like Luuk.
And parry is an afterthought now since everyone does flurry attacks like Jiyan, the "king of parry" or something people used to say. Simplest thing to do is to is make the thoughness reduction multiplicative so people actually try to time their attack, like imagine parrying with intro skill and getting a 2x multiplier. The only purpose of this mechanic for now is to allow Kuro to make aggresive bosses and then make 90% of their attacks parry-able.
We got three endgames that are essentially damage sponge fest... because the combat becomes terrible once they add flying or aggresive enemies. The other one (Holo) is a dodge fest or exploit fest, just keep surviving until you're able to one shot the boss.
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
"The other one (Holo) is a dodge fest or exploit fest, just keep surviving until you're able to one shot the boss."
King of larp.
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u/Ok-Impress9792 1d ago
Well i guess putting expectations leades to despointment evry time so i will be there when i see a post with 4.0 was so despointing
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u/miiko_uch 1d ago
in the time of Augusta last rerun, ALL of Lahai roi has reran at least once, including Hiyuki and Lucilla (besides Sigrika)
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u/Fall0fReach-jOnYx-NA 1d ago
Give us some way to get old characters weapons and rerun camellya and I’m happy
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u/VastRevolutionary733 1d ago
I agree that rerun is kinda messed up. For old character buffs, don't expect much imo. Seeing yangyang I feel like they are taking the pgr route. We might get calcharo's sp in new fed.?
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u/Kyohaku98 1d ago
I want them to buff Tacet Fields because it's not fun having everything but no Tuners or Echo XP.
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u/Admirable_Hunter3241 1d ago
Started playing from day one and stopped after 1.1 got back to the game during phrolova rerun in version 3 I just want more characters that are support or subdps less dedicated to a specific character but usable with multiple dps. It’s so restrictive to make a character only viable with a specific team. More dual form would be great like the pink hair girl and lucilla. And perhaps not make travel options region lock.
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u/Arleif 1d ago
Agree with the most of thing, except the sonata set. This game sonata set is like so similiar like you get extra 10 or 15 crit rate with almost the same of elemental damage increase and also the old set is so universal that you can activate it buff without having specific buff or debuff.
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u/Nathanote 1d ago
Just let us have a permanent banner where we can select which old characters we want to pull.
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u/Judgementsiscoming 1d ago
1x def need a new kit and their sonata need buff too. U got my vote👍 Also, plz make more companions quest 😭. They were sooo goated
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
agreed , tho only the transducers being accessible and chara buffs seem the most likely.
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u/EquivalentMarket 1d ago
I hope that there is also rework of the 1.x with the cool visuals that they use nowadays in the story since that wasn't in the update to replay older stories.
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u/bluralta-1 1d ago
The rerun part of your suggestion is already happening in kuro's way- the reverb banner, but it's just not permanent, and it's also in release order...so just need to ask kuro to make it permanent and the 6 resonators take turns in each patch...they only did it once in 3.5 and that's it lmao wtf...when it's gonna come back? Idk why kuro hate reruns lol
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u/mybelovedinmygrasp I have a type 1d ago
We also need story events and character story events like the one with Ciaccona
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u/jojofanatiker Have Nr1 now hoping for are Third chance of 1d ago
I actually do expect Are Rerun banner for 2.X or 1.X characteres which didn't get theirs to happen in 4.1 - 4.X But defintily Not 4.0 XD Just seems unlikely buffs ? At max Indirect would like if my Camellya [first char i get the weapon for] could be better again But that keeps to be are dream Some 50/50 Rework would be great maybe even Let us lose to olf 5 stars ro our chosing will never happen but would be great Imigane Losing to S1 shorekeeper
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u/Versa-Frost 1d ago
Adding transducers and modifiers to the blue coral shop with unlimited purchase amounts would be nice. Even if it’s like 500 corals, just being able to purchase 1 or 2 transducers per patch while saving enough for the pulls would be a nice improvement.
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u/MimosaSunday- 1d ago
I just want the world to be more interactive-"Im over the huge sprawling landscape with absolutely nothing to do and like 3 echos to kill-
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u/DoggyFinger 1d ago
This whole list will never happen. I’m not saying I wouldn’t love these changes either, but these requests have been on pretty much every single gatcha anniversary for like 7+ years at this point.
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u/onlywei 1d ago
Here’s my wishlist of QoL changes:
When leveling talents, auto-use the Lahai-Roi or Land of Xuanfang supply boxes over the Pioneer Podcast boxes. The pioneer podcast boxes can be exchanged for materials for 1.x, 2.x, AND 3.x characters while the Lahai Roi boxes can only be used for 3.x characters.
Tacet field nest for Moonlit Clouds and Rejuvenating Glow. Modern sets can be farmed from nests, but these 1.x sets are still used by multiple relevant characters and have no nest to farm them.
Allow me to convert leveled echoes into tubes and tuners from the echo leveling screen. I don’t want to go all the way to the backpack to do it.
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u/100percent-sales-tax Miko of the flaming MasterCard 1d ago
I understand the game needs to cater to everyone and especially whales. But don't whales want something to do with their S6 characters? There's just no content. Main story is effectively trial resonator cutscenes and QTE, then you go sit in the mines or bash your roster against ESM / ToA until the next content cycle?
3.5 to 3.7 has been such a decay of content and now it's becoming formulaic. It's like watching a starvation budget in action.
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u/sid_the_sloth_ 1d ago
also would like to see skins be a higher priority - but imo they just save them for slower sale banners or less interesting patches
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u/raifusarewaifus 1d ago
For sequence, I actually propose to make it like NTE. You can choose which sequence effect you want. You don,t need to have s6 to get that good effect. You can just select whichever you want with just s1. Of course, to get all you need to get s6.
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u/Kiekara 1d ago edited 1d ago
Make all echo sets have 2- and 3-piece effects with 5 pieces giving both. If you're using only 2 pieces, you get the smaller buff. If you're using 3 pieces instead, you get the set effect instead of the 2-piece buff. And to get both buffs from the same set, you need to have all 5 pieces from it. That shouldn't be too complicated to implement..
Give Jinhsi actual value in unison teams aside from her unison mechanic. Right now she's just waiting to get replaced by Suoming. Also make Lumi be a unison character. She has two modes, too long of a field time, skill amp outro that is shorter than anyone else's in the game (10s). I don't know why she wasn't released as a unison character in the first place. Her ranged mode could've worked off-field as coordinated attacks and she herself would've come to the field twice to work in tandem with Jinhsi. She has that skill amp too, which would work for both Jinhsi and Hsin... She even has that "main damage dealer" in her roles, when she deals next to no damage. She was clearly designed to work in tandem with another damage dealer...
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u/Southern_Mortgage816 1d ago
I do see a wacky team with my Jinhsi, her and a coord ATK for matrix. I am building Chixia and Hsin atm tho so it would take a while before I can start on Lumi.
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u/AFTERTHEBURIALXIII 1d ago
Better character building qol because my god the tuner system and rng substats is straight ass.
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u/Southern_Mortgage816 1d ago
For my Jinhsi, just three things are needed....
- Full Unison integration
- Reduced skill cooldown
- Faster forte generation
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u/freezeFM 1d ago
But 2 and 3 are non-issues. Her skill cooldown is already very short so you can switch to another character for some seconds and back. And her outro is always up after her rotation.
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u/Southern_Mortgage816 11h ago
I am talking about faster rotations. If I rotate too quickly or do quick swaps (aside from unison and intro outro), I am locked into her base form until the skill cooldowns (after a nuke).
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u/MytravelernamedTifa 23h ago
My only wish for 4.X, please do not release BiS in a back to back schedule 🥲
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u/Livid_Warning_4236 14h ago
Heavy mention on that loading screen part, specially during farming boss echos in special sonoros (Leviathan, Mya lady of the sea, Adam smasher..etc). Why can't we have a respawn or fight again button like in over world bosses ? It's just inefficient to keep having loading screen just to farm those bosses. (Also hope that applies to weekly bosses as well)
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u/SuggestionStrong Best Girl Energy/ Main Villain Vibe 8h ago
2 things I'd change is the absolute bulls**t that is getting knocked out of moves....My Phrolova is hitting the Scarlet Coda in Tower, someone in Rinascita sneezed, Coda fails. This is old news, I know, but it's only gotten exponentially worse.
The clear rush job/ lack of care put into every area post-Lahai Roi...it's absolutely unforgivable to get perma-stuck every freaking hour because I dared to climb a rock I didn't want to near a tree. The constant graphical glitches (I'm on a high end gaming pc, it's inexcusable), pop-in/pop-out, puzzles that are no longer fun due to them barely functioning, some surfaces are unclimbale until they are, the impassable window sills.
I juuuuuust got back into the game after dropping a week before 3.0 due to poor communication about Tune Break and it's impact on EVERYTHING going forward, and the Lahai Roi setting in general (going from fantasy to Dune inspired techno-world was a choice)...and I've been having a blast...even ended up loving Lahai Roi (shocked me too)...but now, it's a disaster and I'm glad I didn't spend on the Moonlit Path event as the game doesn't deserve it right now.
OH! When did they change dodge timing? Went from a dodge/parry god to getting wrecked by everything...maybe a bit of rust but not THAT MUCH.
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u/milk-is-for-calves 1d ago
Looking at other gachas it's really weird there have been only two free 5 stars in this games history. (3 if we count the free Verina for beginners too)
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u/Dismal_Diamond4346 1d ago
What’s a great gacha game with excellent banner re-runs? Where F2Ps have repeated chances to almost have any character they want, putting them almost side by side to P2Ps?
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u/Piirin 1d ago
Limbus Company. Almost every character can be grinded for and sharded if you miss their banners or are unable to get them in the gacha
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u/Charming_Sherbert_31 1d ago
Which means it’s not the same system
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u/Demonix822 8h ago
Since limbus has only 12 characters and you instead gacha alternate reality versions of them, we instead of occasional faction or character specific reruns. Increased rates for that faction or identities of that character
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u/Banshuuuu 1d ago
I'd hazard to say Warframe.
It's basically a gacha game but more gameplay oriented instead. Every new character is farmable for free from the content they released with, indefinitely. Every special variant (the same character but slightly cooler with a small boost in stats) is farmable for two years and then goes to a more traditional gacha style banner.
The gacha is entirely free with your “pulls” (relics) being farmed through missions you can do endlessly. If you don't want to pull, you can buy the character from another player for cheap or at a premium (£60 or so to get the character and any weapon(s) they came with) in a bundle during the first 3 months it is released. All basic variants can be farmed through the content they were released with, forever, or paid for to skip the farm. At around 1/10 the cost of most mainstream gachas (£15.99 is the MOST expensive one currently, and that hasn't changed in 14 years)
Every special variant of a new character (is around for 2 years before being Vaulted (their free gacha is removed from the loot tables) and cycles into a Primed Resurgence. Primed Resurgence cycles every few months and lets you buy whatever is available for relatively cheap OR spend an earnable free currency to buy the Gacha mechanics for them to have a chance to get the items for free.
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u/mrfixitx 1d ago
I would argue that Warframe is the opposite of a Gacha game.
100% of the base frames are farmable at zero cost the only investment is time and in some cases standing with certain factions.
Prime frames are a minor upgrade over the base frame. Farming prime frames is free, no need to do dailies or save up premium currency. The only limit is that only some frames have their relics drop so that you can farm them. Older prime frames do not have their relics drop. Though with prime resurgency older prime frames return and you can buy their relics with a free currency you get through a variety of different missions.
Gacha's rely heavily on FOMO, while warframe has almost no FOMO to speak of. New prime frames are available to farm for well over a year.
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u/Banshuuuu 1d ago
Yeah. I leaned heavily on the literal side of rng mechanics of gacha, since primes (once they've left the initial 2 year period) do take on a very similar gacha game method to obtain them. You farm for Aya (asterites) spend them on Relics (pulls) and pray you get them.
If anything warframe is MORE gacha since there is NO guarantee you will win. Sure, the chances are much higher than other games (10% vs 0.5%) but…you don't have that safety net of “guaranteed every 80 pulls”
Warframe just lets you do it all for an almost insultingly generous cost of £0 and lets you sink your time into it instead…with no guarantee you'll get anything out of it
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u/mrfixitx 1d ago
Still not remotely Gacha. Spend 20 aya or less join a rad farm and you can reliable get everything you need for a prime.
Even if you have the worst luck in history you can prime parts, mods, arcanes to other players for platinum and buy even old prime frames on warframe market or via the trade chat.
With a Gacha banner once the character is gone you are stuck waiting months or year plus for a rerun. There is no way to trade for the character with other players. Plus new prime frames are available for free via farming for around 2 years.. While a limited character banner is three weeks or perhaps the full patch duration.
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u/Banshuuuu 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was basing it on the gambling aspect. The gacha.
The OP wanted a non predatory game with gacha mechanics and that is what I firmly believe Warframe is. A slot machine doesn't suddenly stop working after 20 days so they can give you another slot machine in different colours.
I will admit that warframe doesn't follow the predatory fomo practices of what people consider as a Gacha Game, but that doesn't mean Warframe (and any game with loot boxes and rng drops you spend a currency on) doesn't have Gacha in it.
I respect your view on it but it seems you define Gacha more by the difficulty surrounding it, while I define it based on the principle of having only a chance of getting what you want from a repeatable action. Wuwa has similar gacha mechanics as Warframe just 8x more predatory with the silver lining that you are guaranteed what you want. So an unlucky warframe player may not get what they want before something is vaulted, while an unlucky Wuwa player will get it after 180 pulls no matter what (so long as they have the currency farmed by then. But that leads into how predatory wuwa is)
Edit: this just reminded me of a comment I saw a few days ago that said Wuwa wasn't a gacha because you're guaranteed to get what you want if you spend enough, while you're not guaranteed (by any reasonable margin) to get what you want from slot machines and the like. I guess I stand closer to that belief than I thought. Hmm…
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u/King_Empress 1d ago
Gacha is the system in which you acquire thise characters, which is the pull system
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u/Demonix822 8h ago
Limbus Company!! Genuinely though. The dispenser is the most broken thing I have seen in gacha gaming. While unfortunately hard to utilize as a beginner, it has allowed me to get every character I want with such ease that I hardly have to gacha except for the occasional special event that can only be dispensed at the next coming of said event, so it’s better to pull them on time. The game may be repetitive to some as there is only one farming mode and there isn’t a series of cycling events, just occasional major story ones with resource shops. But it can take a while to get to that point, but that doesn’t mean much when Wuthering has newer characters require resources from the latest region which isn’t accessible to new players and especially those who don’t want to get spoiled on the entire story by skipping to say, chapter 4.
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u/freezeFM 1d ago
I dont think we can expect any buffs for older characters anytime soon. If they would do it like in PGR; they would have started it already. But WuWa works different and you dont simply play specific teams and then replace someone with a newer character. To counter the crazy dps powercreep there, they buffed old characters to last a while longer.
If we look at how long HV needs to buff some older characters, I dont think Kuro will do it differently. Not at this point.
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u/SHOOTTss 1d ago
1.No multiple reruns are happening in 4.0 we will get the usual 2 reruns
4.0 is new region and companies will try to put the new cast front and center
Same as point 1 why would they buff units on a new region patch and give spotlight to older regions. These kind of buffs are usually saved for slower patches
Wuwa whole gameplay loop is farming echos. Buffing or revamping old sets will just reduces playtime. Its pretty clear they will add new set with new unit after the echo inventory revamp
Qol 👍
I would add that the game need more optimizations
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u/StephanMok1123 1d ago
Well at least make some new Sonata Set or Main Echo that is usable for old chars then, but even then the old kits are so simple there's barely anything to buff them up without buffing newer units even further
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u/Gamingwolf802 1d ago
I just hope that they reveal the intentions and the story behind the fractsidus, and not make the main story purely just to sell the characters
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u/New-Decision5632 1d ago
Another larp
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u/BusBoatBuey 1d ago
Genshin players complain non-stop that old characters outshine new characters with buffs yet OP thinks people would accept old character buffs. Imagine if Yinlin was buffed this update to be better than Hisi. That is what Genshin did and people hatejerk it to death.
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u/depressedbottom 1d ago
been playing zzz recently and there’s two things it has that i’d really want to see in wuwa:
the triple rerun banners with a guaranteed featured character on first 5 star pull
the potential unlock system, upgrades to older characters so they aren’t so horrifically powercrept
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u/cslaymore 1d ago
Yes, I'd love for them to add the old characters to the banners. I haven't even played that long and I already have C6 (I don't know the WuWa term) for several characters. For example, I'd like to have Jiyan but I'm never going use my astrites for him and at this point I don't think anyone would. So why not add him and others to the pool to make the banners more enticing and increase player engagement?
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u/gatsssuuuu 1d ago
I hope the exploration in 4.X will be as good as mengzhou or lahai roi. Idk why it feel nice to farm the astrites in those region compared to find and open chests like in jinzhou.
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u/Lower_Tackle_6104 1d ago
During the 3.0 Livestream the devs said they will not add newer features to older units. To be clear I too would like the devs too go back on their word on this. One thing I'd like to personally add.
- Have Bloodpack's Pledge's buff after the "Providing healing increases Resonance Skill dmg by 26%". Just add buffs or allow them to change other versions for Rover.
Something like: -When Rover: Spectro has this equipped, dmg to enemies inflicted with Spectro frazzle is increased by 1.5%, stacking up to 10 times. Casting Resonance Liberation increases Spectro Frazzle dmg to the team.
-When Rover: Havoc has this weapon equipped, while in Dark Surge Crit-DMG on Basic atk 5, Heavy atk and Liberation is increased by 15%. Casting Echo Skill before the Dark Surge state ends further increases that echo's dmg by 10%.
-When Rover: Electro has this weapon equipped increases Electro Flare and Electro Rage dmg by 16%, when Rover applies Electro Flare stacks and upon an outro skill. When Rover: Electro consumes concerto Resonance Skill dmg is increased by 5% for 10s, stacking up to 4 times.
This is one of my criticisms of the game. ngl.
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u/AS--469 1d ago
something like capturing radiance to prevent many consecutive 50-50 losses