r/absolutelynotme_irl • u/irinawildx • 5d ago

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u/SeaGoat24 5d ago

You can't logic someone out of a belief they didn't logic their way into

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u/tenaciousBLADE 5d ago

Shit, that's deep. And I kinda hate how darn true it is.

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u/Sergnb 4d ago edited 4d ago

It’s a nice sounding aphorism but it’s not really true. If that was the case ex-religious atheists wouldn’t exist for instance, yet that’s what the vast majority of atheists are.

From my perspective it’s not about them jumping into a completely irrational and random belief. They did logic themselves into it, it’s just that the logic they used was very different. To us it doesn’t make any sense, but to them it totally does. The only reason they aren’t constantly jumping randomly to different beliefs is that they have an internal logic cohesion keeping them tethered to only one of them.

You can’t logic someone out of a belief they got into with this different logic, but you can absolutely convince them their logic has flaws and faults. Nobody likes to be wrong, so if you manage to make someone see issues from their own frame of mind, they’ll often do the rest of the legwork themselves.

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u/tenaciousBLADE 4d ago

I like it. There's something wholesome and hopeful in your description 👍

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u/Wohn-Jick-421 4d ago

yeah, well, I still think it works

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u/Ralexcraft 3d ago

I got out of being catholic because I didn’t “feel” like god was real, logic only came after that.

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u/Sergnb 3d ago

Exactly. You intuited holes in your internal logic and saw a new way to frame your mind. That's the process most atheists, and people that get out of irrational thought patterns, take.

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u/Ralexcraft 3d ago

Logic doesn’t get people out of things they feelings themselves into. If it did, I wouldn’t have issues with social perception because at the end of the day I know I won’t see most of those people again.

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u/Dwittychan 4d ago

I am deep and this is 14

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u/paradox1920 5d ago

It isn’t always true though. Several people have moved away from their beliefs because logic is what made them reconsider even though they didn’t get there through it. Nonetheless, what that person said does happen and it’s probably one of the strongest, if not the strongest, reasons of why beliefs persist.

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u/LuckyCod2887 5d ago

i’m really open and willing to change my mind if you present a perspective that makes sense to me. I might not be the norm, but I am very open to changing my mind about a lot of topics and things. you just have to present a reasonable argument that appears rational.

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u/towerfella 5d ago

100%.

I have pride, but my pride is in being accurate.

I have to logically see how you came to your conclusions. I may not agree, but i can usually see “where you are coming from”, if you are sincere in your discussion and take questions.

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u/NoPseudo79 5d ago

Everyone has both subjects they are willing to change their minds about and others they aren't

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u/wackbirds 4d ago

I'm with you on part of this, but the rest? Nah.

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u/Xandara2 3d ago

Literally every person on earth would make this argument as long as they don't know the topic. 

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u/Fissminister 4d ago

And even then, alot of studies set out to prove something specific with their studies. They have a bias they want to prove.

That's hardly gonna help the legitimacy of the results

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u/animorphsrewriter 4d ago

That's called a hypothesis. Every study should be trying to prove something. Validation, review, methodology, and ethics are all parts of the process that mitigate preferential outcomes. Your comment is kinda anti-science.

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u/Gohanto 4d ago

Do you have a study about study sample sizes?/s

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u/RandomExcess 4d ago

Holding too much weight on studies as opposed to what?

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u/WhammeWhamme 3d ago

What bothers me is that you do want evidence to convince people to change their minds; it does help, more than most things, it just doesn't always work.

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u/WoodpeckerSure2739 5d ago

There are two kinds of people in this world. This is a perfect example of both.

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u/TrashFanboy 5d ago

On one hand, I haven't had a coherent worldview in years.

On the other hand, I am cynical enough to think that facts can be twisted, censored, outdated, or never genuine.

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u/Derpykins666 5d ago

This is why I struggle with the current... well everything. It's like people choose to ignore everything around them. I'm a very open minded live let live type person. There's 1000x ways to live and not one of them is the 'right' way. If you show me that I'm wrong about something, I'll take that to heart and fix it, or at least change my perspective on something, I'm very open like that, at least until we get to philosophical or morality based illogical arguments. If there's something factual right in front of me, provable and I'm still not changing my mind, then I know it's more of an emotional problem not a logic or factual problem. I know so many people though that are dead set on their beliefs regardless of proof or lack there of and they will never change. Which is crazy to me, I'm far too self-aware for that shit. Sometimes I wish I was way less so, just to be more functional in a "ignorance is bliss" type way. It must be nice not to be so bogged down mentally like that.

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u/PinkOneHasBeenChosen 3d ago

There’s a meme somewhere that says “I have a mental illness that makes me think people will change their minds if I present them with facts”.

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u/Orange_sky778 5d ago

I think about this constantly.

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u/FungadooFred 5d ago

He didn't say all people

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u/StumblingBlockson 5d ago

I believe this is a strong contender for most reposted post in Reddit history.

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u/Mochizuk 5d ago

them... synapsis(?) and/or neural networks (?) might as well be in place via cement at this point.

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u/tenaciousBLADE 5d ago

Best response would have been "oh, wow. Well, I guess it's just me then 🤷"

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u/FluffyTid 5d ago

Studies are not facts. Most studies nowdays write the conclusions before starting

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u/HC-Sama-7511 5d ago

A published study is in no way the same as an ironclad truth. The people who always say a study proves their point are typically the same people complaining about how all the morons around them don't know how science works.

In this case, that guy needs just one piece of anecdotal evidence to prove the other party wrong. Which is something he probably has, because I and most of you probably do too.