r/accelerate • Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist • 2d ago

Sometimes you can just solve problems

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u/Networker926 2d ago

At this point I'm convinced russian bots have identified this flying car thing as a wedge topic for this subreddit and dialing up the rage.

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 1d ago

what the heck does this post have to do with elon? a weird stretch

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u/7ddlysuns 2d ago

Probably, but cartoons like this post are more likely from them. Anyone saying Tesla has a flying car is doing something weird. Your average monster truck or lowrider show is significantly more impressive than teslas jumping car

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u/theimposingshadow Acceleration: Cruising | Tracks AI progress & longevity | XLR8 2d ago

Tesla jumping and kick flipping a car over 5 other ones was cool af. Will it be used by most people ? No. Does that make any less cool? No.

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u/7ddlysuns 2d ago

I get what you’re saying, but for me what makes it less cool is this: Elon has been holding people’s reservation money for the roadster for a very long time. Lying about when it would be out.

Then he reveals a thing that’s a fancy remote control toy. I’ve had remote control cars that do similar. The difference is that he’s screwing around rather than delivering a thing he said he’d do.

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u/theimposingshadow Acceleration: Cruising | Tracks AI progress & longevity | XLR8 1d ago

I don't disagree on that but Elon screwing people over is nothing new, still doesn't change that tesla and space x engineers built a cool ass demo. Im not an Elon fan, don't get me twisted, im just in the "it's really cool someone built this" camp.

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u/7ddlysuns 1d ago

It just feel meh to me. Glad you liked it. In my life I’ve seen a lot of badass demos. This one didn’t really push any limits and won’t be available to buy. Glad it tickled your pickle.

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u/Alive_Awareness4075 2d ago edited 2d ago

I’m looking forward to an AGI takeoff scenario as much as anyone (full speed ahead, and I hope it’s this year/next year), but the level of drool and defensiveness Elon glazers in our community have been doing over this Tesla Roadster demonstration is baffling to me, and it’s not even related to AI whatsoever.

We used this exact same technology during the moon missions, monster truck rallies do them all the time, it’s not groundbreaking guys, and the fact that the sub is devolving into civil war over it is a wake up call for getting our act together as a community, we don’t have to (and shouldn’t) worship a trillionaire and his centibillionaire ilk, the economic inequality is the part of the reason why things are the way they are right now and why the general public is getting very uneasy, most of it isn’t because of AI but because of the oligarchs owning everything.

I think this should be a wake up call to us that AGI/ASI is different from the fanboys who want it the same way the rest of us do, because a lot of the hardcore Elon drones are insufferable. The Roadster has nothing to do with Kurzweil’s Law of Accelerating return, and he even said transportation technologies weren’t exponential since they weren’t information related.

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u/7ddlysuns 2d ago

Extremely well said. This was at best a parallel technology. Not accelerating anything except maybe elons wealth.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

He spent over 300mil we know about on the midterms what do you think thank money went to?

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u/VallenValiant 2d ago

The Roadster is almost certainly the modern re-imaginings of the KITT scifi car from the old TV show Knightrider. Other than the AI, which can be replicated trivially other than the copyright of the voice actor, Elon replicated the "Super Pursuit Mode" physical transformation at high speeds AND the "Boost mode" that allow it to leap over obstacles.

You say it is unimpressive. You are clearly too young to realise Elon was just bringing his childhood dreams to life.

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u/7ddlysuns 1d ago

And so are monster truck drivers bringing their childhood dreams to life. And those folks are actually in the vehicles unlike Elon’s remote control toy.

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u/VallenValiant 1d ago

Roadsters are toys. The same way it was for the Bugatti veyron.

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u/7ddlysuns 1d ago

Cool. Difference is you can actually buy a Veyron

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u/VallenValiant 1d ago

Can you? They only built 450. It was sold at 2million loss each too.

Tesla can build 450 rocket version of roadster just fine.

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u/7ddlysuns 1d ago

Yeah. You can. Unlike one of these roadsters. I mean I cant because I’m not rich. But a person conceptually can

https://www.dupontregistry.com/used-bugatti-for-sale?srsltid=AU7gw4UvnK6FkhQqRxw8M4ubDnr9Q65Bn4lZw3dWjBn3ymH8IaEuj0Vq

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u/filterdecay 2d ago

and its always "scientists" that hate whatever.

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u/EfficiencyArtistic 2d ago

Most subreddits become derailed from their original discussion topic. Its what mods are for, but I think the mods are stock holders so the flying car controversy benefits them. By the end of the week this'll be a car sub and AI will be banned.

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u/JustHappyToBe-Here 2d ago

But the car didn't fly. It jumped, propelled by compressed air, sure. But it didn't fly by any true definition of the word.

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u/Slamex204 2d ago

They've calmed down a bit since yandex got struck

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u/reasonmonkey 1d ago

This has fuck all to do with flying cars doofus and your misunderstanding has turned this post into a hate elon thread.

<facepalm>

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u/Big-Lobster6689 1d ago

If we're talking planes, the technology existed for more than a decade before someone figured out how to make money off it. A relevant point for investors. Especially as those investors have started taking on massive amounts of debt.

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u/_Ael_ 1d ago

"russian bots" = the creator of this subreddit?

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 2d ago edited 2d ago

haha, linear algebra go brrrrrrr

Edit: I don't like Elon. I don't think this meme applies to Elon and his flying prototype at all.

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u/_Ael_ 1d ago

Yea, I don't know why everyone is talking about the flying car when this looks more like a reference to the Math dump from earlier this month and how some mathematicians were reacting to it.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

Imagine thinking Elon Stan’s are actual people and not racks of A100s

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u/theimposingshadow Acceleration: Cruising | Tracks AI progress & longevity | XLR8 1d ago

Idk what this has to do with Elon, this is making fun of mathematicians who "didn't ask for this" ( math to be solved by AI)

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 2d ago

I didn't interpret this as having anything to do with Elon. It's a reaction to the math establishment complaining that they never asked for AI to solve difficult problems.

I don't give a fuck about Elon's penny circus demo.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

Given the flying content I assume this is about the car. I interpreted your comment to mean that the post was linear algebra ie a bot and was concurring on that assumption.

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 2d ago edited 2d ago

I'm not an Elon Stan and I'm struggling to see that the original creator of this meme created it with the car in mind. I didn't check twitter. I don't really think it applies to Elon. Like, call me when the flying cars are real, useful, and affordable.

My linear algebra comment was about a person saying that AI is just linear algebra. It's from a post floating around recently. There's a lot of emergent complexity from simple rules and simple operations. Like human beings. Or everything computers have ever produced.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

Emergent complexity is not the same as the emergence of consciousness which is not just a more complex information processing system but introduces an entirely new order of normativity. No amount of linear algebra, on its own, will produce consciousness.

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u/czmax 1d ago

“a new order of normativity”

i suggest you define consciousness and then you can argue why linear algebra can/can’t meet your definition. until then you’re just blathering. (in your case negativity — but it’d be blathering if used the same lack of clarity to assert ai was conscious).

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 1d ago

Minimally consciousness requires an internally purposive system capable of setting its own ends not merely in the instrumentalist sense of identifying means to given goals but in the normative sense of determining whether something counts as valuable for itself. It probably also requires some kind of will or ability to initiate action for the sake of reasons rather than merely following instructions. LLMs are patently incapable of either of these unless one so evacuates their concept that “purposiveness” and “volition” become meaningless abstractions, which, as above, would be unscientific and empirically unserious.

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u/czmax 1d ago

Interesting. I’m not convinced human consciousness meets your expectations.

you should look up research around “post-hoc rationalization” and “The Consciousness as a Press Secretary”.

personally i think the line is around continuous thinking (not the current external stimulation requirement for inference in current models) and an ability to continuously learn (also not existent in the primarily LLM architectures).

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 2d ago

Do you think the rules and initial conditions that produced us are that complicated?

If your position on AI is 'well, it hasn't produced a sentient alien god yet,' mayyyyybe you need to take a sec, bolt down your goalposts, and look at how far they've moved in such a short period of time. God of gaps.

I'm not of the opinion that AI is fully sentient, but you would have to be willfully oblivious to think that we're not creating machines that can think and reason.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

It hasn’t even produced an animal yet.

Whatever we are doing is not producing conscious beings. Mayyyyybbe someday what we are doing now will be a small part of that. Intelligence is not consciousness

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 2d ago

Again. We're like 2 years away from 'AI can't even do addition' mockery, and now we're at 'claude, plz stop doing math, think of my PhD bro and the math younglings 😢'.

You must think human cognition is really special to feel this confident that sentience can only be produced by elements getting brute forced by entropy for a few billion years.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago edited 2d ago

Human cognition is profoundly special. Possibly the most special thing in existence. To not see that reflects an enormous lack of empirical seriousness.

I have not said the only path to consciousness is entropy, though to underestimate the importance of entropy to consciousness would be a deep mistake. I have only said high dimensional vector spaces will not produce consciousness through “emergent complexity” (ie magic) in any amount of time.

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u/tinny66666 2d ago

It's not a great comparison, mostly based on the fact it's a fiction.

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 2d ago

How do you feel about hypotheticals and analogies? Do you dislike them?

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u/Old_Restaurant_2216 2d ago

People like you are here just to stir the pot. This post is of no use to productive discussion.

I do not dislike analogies nor hypoteticals. I dislike people like you.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

“People”=linear algebra on high dimensional matrixes

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u/reasonmonkey 1d ago

People like you are so fucking ignorant it's hilarious.

Not gonna lie steal, I agree with the private chat: the sub has gotten too big. Maybe time to lock it.

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 1d ago

yeah this thread is weird. maybe the analogy is too obtuse for them to get

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 1d ago

oh! I had no idea what they were all talking about until I realised that some people thought this post was related to elon lol. it's related to terence tao et al

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 1d ago

I had no idea what you were talking about until I realised that some people thought this post was related to elon lol. it's related to terence tao et al

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit 2d ago

When you do such in an argument it's called painting a strawman or creating false equivalence. But whatever floats your boat chief

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist 1d ago

I had no idea what you were talking about until I realised that some people thought this post was related to elon lol. it's related to terence tao et al

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u/Monte924 2d ago

Telsa did not build a flying car. They built a stripped down fancy stunt car that will never see the road. There are already better attempts at building a flying car out there being made by people who are actually serious, and not just grifting to boost stock prices.

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u/Particular-Gap-6998 1d ago

I'm a little bummed about the flying part, not because I care whether it technically flies or doesn't fly and I'm not interested in arguing the semantics of the word 'flying'. I'm bummed that a lot of people seem to be overlooking the suction system and how a scaled down version of that technology could potentially prevent a lot of accidents on slippery roads

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u/MrWigggles 2d ago

At the turn of the 19th century, there were various x like prizes, going for controlled sustained flight. There were lots of folks at the time trying to figure it out. So, physicists were actually for it.

Europeans didnt or may still dont acknowledge the wright brother as the first to have controlled powered flight. They used to give that honor a french ballonist, I think.

Even though roughly 10 years later, fighter bi-planes would being doing tours in the turning war during ww1.

The tesla demo, while cool car parkour was just a dog and pony show. It was meant to try and spike stock prices. It wasnt a concept car. Its never mean to be be used in any actual model. And it cant have an pratical use for a car. As the lost internal volume of the car to the air tanks means your car just turns into a thing that moes around air tanks, instead of a car.

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u/Trick-Chocolate7330 2d ago

I actually don’t think it was meant to spike stock prices because anyone with a brain can easily see it’s actually terrible news for the stock that they don’t unveil something actual marketable like Chinese EVs. I think it was precisely for this bot war to try and make it seem like the obvious economic clusterfuck that is maga musk is actually cool revolutionary tech that will make our dreams come true before the midterms.

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u/OCD-but-dumb 2d ago

This doesn’t feel like an apt comparison. Perhaps balloonists would be better

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u/sfjhh32 2d ago

Meme's like this remind me that, some people need more cognitive empathy.

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u/Academic-Ant5505 2d ago

Flying hadn't been invented yet. Rocket boosters have. Put them on a fridge and no difference to what was showcased the other day

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u/Some_Anonim_Coder 2d ago

With Wright plane there is more historical dunk on luddites: experts were saying heavier-than-air flying things were impossible months before takeoff. And after takeoff they proceeded to say it will never be of any use. Those luddites were members of academies, leading physicists of the time

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u/IllLeadership8177 2d ago

Ironically, we do have quite a lot of guardrails and rules around aviation. Doesn't mean we should slow down necessarily, but we absolutely should at least have serious considerations about more safety oversight. There's very much a world where accelerationism and AI being run fully or partly in tandem with government are compatible, although I don't necessarily want government to have that much power either.

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u/Acceptable-Charge163 1d ago

Santos Dumont invented the airplane. 

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u/Stunning_Monk_6724 The Singularity is nigh 1d ago

This meme can easily be applied to the mathematics debate as well. Elon's roadster will also see some very cool implementations in the future.

I'd say just celebrate progress and be happy about it.

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u/doiwantacookie 2d ago

The analogy would be if ai dropped a verifiable grand unified theory of physics. But even then I’m not sure physicists would care the same way math people do.