r/arabs • u/Former-Drawing-2263 • 3d ago
سياسة واقتصاد Honestly arguing with Islamaphobes or anti-Arab Hasbara bots online just got boring. They always hit us with the same statement…”Arabs were the first colonizers,”….”ur prophet is a warlord,”…”you are originally from Yemen.” It honestly got so tiring, so I just started ragebaiting with this image 😎
Please use it lol 😂 so we can continue ragebaiting them
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u/meJJa_niJJa_2001 3d ago
Is the "originally you are from Yemen" supposed to serve a purpose
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u/tunicamycinA 🐪 3d ago
I think they say it because they want us all to move to the Arabian peninsula
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u/OdielSax 3d ago
And who's moving in to replace us? Were all our countries promised to someone else 3000 years ago? Who's going to explain to them what it means to be an Arab? We're the same freaking people. We were just taught a new language and religion.
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u/thedarkmooncl4n 3d ago
It is to support the idea that Arab is a particular ethnic identity and not the current version of socio linguistic ethnicity which is much broader. Basically to erase arabism from the arabised country like levant and North Africa and clash it with old or extinct identities.
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u/tonyferguson2021 3d ago
If the meaning of the word has changed, or is now being used as an umbrella term to describe different people's, What's the most accurate definition and how does this effect Arab identity if there's such thing ?
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u/thedarkmooncl4n 3d ago
That's the good thing about Arab identity, it is not a fixated ideas that need to follow certain rule rigidly. If u speak Arabic of any dialect and practice Arab culture for generations, you're Arab, period. Also It doesn't necessarily negate your old history like if you're Lebanese or North African you can be both Arab and phoneician or Arab and amazight, at the same time. Just like the idea of someone being American but has foreign ancestry, or Latin American.
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u/usrnamdoesntcheckout 3d ago
Isn't the first historical documented mention of Arab refered to people in the Syrian desert, which is (checking the map) not even close to Yemen!
Plus let's argue about this for a bit, what is Arab? To me it's similar to Hispanics: if you speak Arabic and share the culture, you are Arab, sorry, it's too late, we claimed you as one of us Arabs!.
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u/Former-Drawing-2263 3d ago
Exactly, Arab is an ethnolinguistic group. These bots know nothing about Arab culture or history. I just stopped responding to them at this point.
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u/thedarkmooncl4n 3d ago edited 3d ago
Most of it are bots because they're coming with the same script. And their strategy is the same everywhere, supporting sécessionism around the world from amazight, coptic, phoneician, baluchistan, kurdish, the list is long. They can't stand with both Islam and arabism because both support universalims and solidarity which successfully corner them on the world stage, esp on the Palestinian issue. So supporting ashabiya around the world is their main strategy to weaken Muslim and Arab, not to mention it keeps the attention away from them when Muslim fighting each other.
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u/RegionFinancial4485 3d ago
Exactly. They want our division.
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u/One_Ad9 3d ago
The arab world was never united tho
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u/RegionFinancial4485 3d ago
The closest Arab society ever got to being united in the modern era was the potential formation of “Arabia” (the plan for a United Arab country encompassing every Arab state in the Middle East), but that plan was foiled due to the Sykes Picot Agreement.
And to be clear: when I say they want our division, I’m talking about them trying to fragment Arab society into even smaller micro states as compared to what we are right now, as well as furthering the already preexisting political and sectarian rifts between our peoples. Are we already divided as is? Yes, but they want us to be even more divided.
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u/One_Ad9 3d ago
So my point stands the arab world was never and will never unit
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u/RegionFinancial4485 2d ago
Dude are you even Arab? You’re not even contributing anything to this conversation other than being pessimistic.
We’re talking about the fact that foreign entities are forcing their hand at dividing and fragmenting the Arab world further more, and yet this is your response? “The Arab world was never united and never will be”, who the hell even said it was?
What’s your response to the foreign entities forcing their hand at our people’s division?
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u/One_Ad9 2d ago
I'm not being pessimistic, I'm just giving you the historical truth, the reality is that the arab world has never been politically united as a whole, and as you mentioned modern attempts to unite has failed, yes foreign entities has contributed to this division, but we can't ignore the internal rivalries and conflicts on political interests, so you should start blaming arab governments first because they're the ones that have repeatedly failed to maintain unity themselves. As for my quote "they will never unit" yeah that's my opinion based on the current and history situation that we see today, ofc you can disagree with me but Calling me pessimistic doesn't make my point less valid
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u/Friedrichs_Simp 3d ago
I don't care if he was a warlord. His military career was successful and thus we're proud of it. Why shouldn't we be? And btw all his battles were defensive
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u/MrPresident0308 3d ago
Battle of Badr, was not really defensive. It was arguably justified, but obviously not defensive when the muslims started it with trying to intercept Abu Sufyan’s caravan
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u/Friedrichs_Simp 3d ago
I'd argue Badr was defensive. It was a response to Quraysh marching an army to destroy the muslims, caused by an attempt to recover the wealth the pagans took from them
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u/MrPresident0308 3d ago
I guess it depends on how you define it. The quraysh army was a response, not a catalyst. like you said, quraysh took the money off the muslims who fled, and the muslims tried to compensate the loss by intercepting Abu Sufyan’s caravan. Now you could argue this makes the war justified, but it’s unequivocally a provocation from the muslim’s side. so the question is would this provocation make the war aggressive? I think it probably would under today’s international law. and quraysh obviously thought it did
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u/Friedrichs_Simp 3d ago
Well the Muslims initially only set out to intercept a caravan. It was the Quraysh's decision to mobilize an army which escalated the situation into the Battle of Badr. You can say that it was a provocation, but that doesn't establish that the Muslims initiated the broader conflict or that their actions were aggressive. I'm not saying that they didn't play a role in bringing about the confrontation but like, I wouldn't say they initated the battle/war itself. Initiating an action that precipitates a battle isn't the same as initiating an aggressive war
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u/Former-Drawing-2263 3d ago
The thing is they are fed Zionist lies, they know nothing about our history, and when you try to explain, all of a sudden they double down on the lies. So I just match their energy now lol.
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u/thedarkmooncl4n 3d ago
But most Muslim don't see the propheth that way. At least not how they view it when we learn about him We call the propheth as "qudwat or uswat al Hasanat", the best example. Yes we acknowledge that he engaged in a lot of wars but then again it was an old Arabia where might make right. Do we expect the propheth just simping to pagan and that selfish ethno tribes in medina.
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u/Twinkletoesonice 3d ago
Love this! Appreciate it. I don’t engage with Zionists but this is a great retort that won’t give us a suspension or banning
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u/RegionFinancial4485 3d ago
Honestly this is the way to go lol. A lot of people on Reddit don’t actually want genuine discussion, they just want to rage bait and be insulting while pushing their own narrative. So just rage bait them back 😂🤝
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u/Wormfeathers Moroccan Western Sahraouia 1d ago
When an Islamophobe states ”ur prophet is a pdf,” I stop the conversation. It just show your lack of research. Yes, he married a kid, but most of his wives were adult. Also it was 7th century. Different social culture.
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u/kebabguy0 2d ago
"You originally can from Yemen"
That only proves that we're more successful than zinoists
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u/sirfessor 3d ago
Being anti-Islam doesn't mean you're anti-Arab. And yes the prophet was a kind of warlord, or as i see him an Arab nationalist who unified tribes living in the Arabian peninsula into one group and yeah i know the Arabs were something even before him but still there were lots of infighting between tribes.
Nonetheless, i laughed at your meme and i don't come here to fight.
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u/ImmediateNail8631 3d ago
well prophet muhammed had to fight in order to protect himself and his followers from qurish who wanted them dead
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u/MrPresident0308 3d ago edited 3d ago
Wikipedia defines a warlord as “an individual who exercise military, economic, and political control over a region, often one without a strong central or national government, typically through informal control over local armed forces.” The most important part is “often one without a strong central or national government”. The prophet was the head of the central government, and thus the head of the formal army. You could call the prophet an expansiont or even an imperialist. I don’t say it’s correct, but it could be argued. But the term warlord describes a completely different phenomenon
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u/sirfessor 3d ago
Yeah you're right about that. My dictionary defines it as " Supreme military leader exercising civil power in a region especially one accountable to nobody when the central government is weak" And the definition of government was different as well back then, especially in his time. Conqueror or expansionist is a better neutral term.
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u/RegionFinancial4485 3d ago
It doesn’t inherently equate, but being anti-Islam usually goes hand in hand with being anti-Arab.
An anti-Islam person typically is no friend/ally of the Arab world (which is overwhelmingly majority Muslim), they will curse our people in the same breath that they curse our prophet PBUH (as Muslims). Now with this I am referring mostly to the big media organizations that are anti-Islam, such as the DailyWire, but I guess this is often applicable to individuals too.
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