r/askanything • u/Previous_Month_555 • 2h ago
Political Question Looking back, does George W. Bush deserve much less hate than Cheeto Hitler?
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u/perrypower54 2h ago
Honestly, Bush was awful. But he ain’t shit compared to the Orange Rapist
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u/SirVixofthePooSea 1h ago
The Iraq and Afghanistan Wars killed far more innocent people than anything Trump has done. You are entirely wrong.
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u/Big_Humor1558 1h ago
Are you factoring in all of the people killed by Covid because of his shitty handling of the crisis? I've seen estimates as high as 400,000 additional American deaths because "It's just going to disappear"
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u/_reschke 2h ago
Bush was an idiot with criminals in his administration. Trump is a criminal with idiots in his administration.
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u/drama-guy 1h ago
Trump is an idiot and a criminal with idiots and criminals in his administration.
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u/iamwhiskerbiscuit 54m ago
Trump's cabinet picks are complete idiots. But the people working behind the scenes on project 2025 are as smart as they are horrible.
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u/Jumpy_Selection_602 52m ago
Bush is also a criminal and trump is also an idiot, and they also both had idiots and criminals in their admins. Trumps just more brazen about it.
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u/Living_Week9080 2h ago
Don’t forget W gave us Alito and Roberts. Mf’s dad gave us Thomas. Fuck the Bush family to eternity.
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u/Coneskater 1h ago
Trump as a person is far worse but he’s ironically saved by his own incompetence.
Half of the shit he tries to do fails due to the absolute morons working in his administration.
The Bush people were evil AND competent.
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u/WhiskeyDeltaBravo1 1h ago
I think W is at heart a decent human being who was used as a puppet by evil sons of bitches (Dick Cheney, et al) for their personal gain. He’s not the brightest and a bit naive, so they used that to their advantage.
Trump is just a piece of shit.
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u/Fun_Researcher_69420 1h ago
I think Bush was smarter than we gave him credit for, but Cheney etc played him easily. If he had non-evil advisors it might have been so different.
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u/Shington501 2h ago
Bush was less annoying, but way more destructive. They are both the same clepto class working for global defense and banking. Time will tell on trumps total damage
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u/Ok_Confidence9059 2h ago
Bush got many thousands killed, implemented and defended war crimes like gruesome torture “advanced interrogation techniques”, launched us into the 2008 Great Recession. Genuinely awful President. Just because Trump is awful doesn’t mean we should think more highly of the war criminal bush
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u/Penguinshead 2h ago
This is like tasting different pieces of shit.
And for the record, Obama was the most presidential, but nevertheless a piece of shit too.
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u/Oily-Plaid-4129 2h ago
W paved the way for Trump.
He turned us into a one party state, normalized lying and added John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. He chose loyal aids rather than competent ones. He gave rise to a deeply invasive and racist federal police force. He alienated our long-time allies. He created massive unprecedented deficits while opening the Treasury's doors to his rich friends. He ultimately crashed our economy with his incompetent policies.
He's symbolic of loyalty to party over country and the advent of GOP cultlike sycophancy.
He rolled out the red carpet for the orange trash.
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u/ImHappy_DamnHappy 2h ago
Objectively I disagree. The pointless wars and the suffering, financial issues, and violations of privacy that W put us through are way worse than anything Trump has done. 21 Americans have died with the Iran conflict. Under Bush there were thousands, not the mention those wounded.
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u/Silent_Wrongdoer3601 2h ago
I pray for the republicans to go back to the “fascism” of the bush era
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u/TheDigimonFan 2h ago
It's all relative. Without Bush, we don't get Obama, and without Obama, we likely never get Trump.
Without Reagan, we also likely never get Bush Sr. or Bush Jr.
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u/MycologistSubject689 2h ago
A lot of this is recency bias. Franklin Pierce will forever be my pick because the Kansas-Nebraska Act is the worst piece of legislation OF ALL TIME
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u/Ok-Neighborhood-2203 2h ago
Either way, whether being coerced or not, they operate on behalf of Israel and the military industrial complex. Either way, totally unacceptable. Betraying your country for a foreign genocidal country completely wipes away any good you otherwise do.
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u/Artisttype1984 2h ago
After the Bush/Obama wars and torture, the Biden/Trump admins have been a breath of fresh air TBH
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u/CastleNorsk 2h ago
Lets not forget George Bush oversaw the Iraq and Afghanistan war which has led to the death of over 2,000,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan - not to mention he is the one who encoded and enshrined permanent tax cuts to the rich and oversaw the financial collapse of the 2000s.
Trump don't get me wrong is a bad president - but lets not pretend now that George Bush isn't a war criminal in his own right, worthy of a Hague sentencing and a firing squad.
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u/Kurichan77 2h ago
Nope. He was as bad as he could have been at the time. Trump is the same. Have to look at it conjuncturally and in context
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u/thrauco69 1h ago
Recuerdo a otro que gano "El Nobel de La Paz" y después mandó a🤕 miles al medio oriente!!
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u/Tiny-Albatross518 1h ago
I mean a lot of people were killed in Iraq, many innocent and many children.
That was an illegal war prosecuted on lies.
Destabilized the region.
W was actually really bad. But yes Trump is even worse. What comes next?
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1h ago
It's two different flavors of diarrhea to me. Why isn't GWB doing anything or speaking up today? His VP did before passing. Cheney left on the high road over GWB. This is their Republican Party, too. George is a coward. If he came out against everything the current GOP is doing and stands for, it would work wonders on the Baby Boomers in the midterms. But nah, what a puss. Spineless like all Republican-voting and enabling conservatives. The country's on fire, they installed the source and watch us burn.
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u/brolarbear 1h ago
George is better because two reasons:
Dodged shoe
First pitch after 9/11
Basically bro had good PR
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u/ASomthnSomthn 1h ago
I don’t think W should be hated less than he is. I think Trump should be hated more than he is.
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u/DrNogoodNewman 2h ago
W was more destructive to our actual institutions and the world overall. Less destructive to civil society and culture. I hate how W looks reasonable compared to Trump simply because he was more polite and not overtly hateful.
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u/drgoatlord 1h ago
Donald is such a shit president that we look back fondly on the W years.
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u/DovahKiller97 2h ago
Overtly? The man is famously great friends with the Obamas, specifically Michelle
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u/Bitter_Particular_75 1h ago
Trump is way more destructive to the world overall. Bush was more destructive only in a bunch of specific countries.
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u/Aggravating-Onion384 2h ago
Not trying to argue here just genuinely curious . How did bush destroy our institutions
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u/Western-Bowl2011 1h ago
Bush greatly, greatly expanded the power of the presidency thanks to 9/11
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u/GoodIdea321 1h ago
We had a federal budget surplus when he got in, and they cut taxes to make it so we started running a deficit since then. DHS was created, still has a terrible name, and lots of other things.
There are books worth of details of how he messed things up.
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u/burntso 2h ago
Well the big orange fart hasn’t falsified documents to make a war….. oh wait
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u/Mooman-Chew 2h ago
I’m not American but from an outside observation, the legislation after 9/11 (was it the patriot act?) opened the door to a lot of what you’re seeing now. If you’re giving bush the benefit of the doubt, you could argue it’s inadvertent but plenty of Americans raised serious concerns at the time. He left office with America still looking strong though so there is that.
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u/Hefty_Palpitation437 1h ago
Strong? Bush left with the worst recession in 80 years, gave trillions to big banks while the unemployed suffered. By far the worst unemployment was under bush. I lived and worked in this barely scraping by with rice and beans, beans and rice
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1h ago
GWB left office with the lowest approval rating in POTUS history, an economy losing 100,000+ jobs weekly, the Too Big To Fail banks collapsing the global economy, and a record budget deficit that had exploded out of control on his watch. Every Republican president after Eisenhower leaves the American economy in shambles. Every. Single. One.
What are you saying??
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u/Cweezy91 2h ago
Man many many more Americans died under bush. I mean substantially more.
The economy was also worse under Bush.
I don’t like orange man…..but let’s be realistic here. One hurts feelings and says dumb shit while the other actively killed our sons, brothers, fathers, daughters and mothers.
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u/Sad_Mall_3349 2h ago
Was living for people under Bush better or worse than now?
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u/DizzyMajor5 1h ago
I was a kid but it depends a lot. The Iraq war lead to a lot of suffering. The war on terror caused a lot of innocent people to get swept up. The 08 recession still effects us to this day we've under built for a decade because of it and home prices are out of control.
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u/scoobysi 2h ago
If that’s the only factor to judge surely ww2 prez would be worse?
The rest of the world saw bush as dumb but not overtly a downgrade for the usa as a superpower, trump has turned the world off believe anything the usa has historically offered as a power. It is harsh for me to talk about economics rather than your point about direct loss of service personnel BUT your reduction in global power is likely to cost way more, including lives, in the longer term.
Good luck to us all, apart from the orange twat et al
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u/You-Asked-Me 2h ago
Sure, if we don't count the one million US citizens that died from a shit covid response.
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u/ModelSemantics 1h ago
??? Covid was vastly worse than 9/11 and the military response as to American deaths. What deaths are you counting and what are you excluding?
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u/New-Heart541 2h ago
Bush is not a psychopath. Maybe not the brightest light on the porch but a normal human being.
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u/bunchoffuckinslaves 1h ago
The whitewashing of George W. Bush into some kind of respectable statesman will always be one of the most fucking infuriating things of my life.
The fact that none of you connect the dots here is the second most infuriating.
Without Dubya, Trump would NEVER have been able to get away with a tenth of the shit he has been able to.
Unitary executive authority started with him. He's the decider. A million Iraqis dead, all on a lie. The packing of an already corrupt Supreme Court (look up Bush v. Gore). Dick Cheney, a vice president so corrupt that he got rich working for Halliburton, and continued to do their bidding while he was there. Karl Fucking Rove, a master propagandist that puts Steves Bannon and Miller to shame.
Have none of you kids ever heard about the Project for a New American Century? You've all heard of Project 2025. PNAC is way worse, especially since the War on Terror is still with us to this day. Look it up. Learn some fucking HISTORY.
Trump didn't just come out of nowhere. The framework for his type of petty despotism has been here for literal DECADES. The system is the problem. All it needs is a useful idiot to take the reins.
Trump is nothing without Bush. I swear, twenty years from now, you all will be missing the salad days of Trump's presidency, while bitching about the new Republican dictator.
"We didn't know how good we had it, back when Trump was president. I, a liberal, would vote for Trump over THAT guy!"
That's what you sound like when you call Trump WAY worse than Bush. But until then, keep voting for your Clintons and your Obamas and your Bidens. I'm sure they'll restore our democracy SOMEDAY.
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u/korpiz 49m ago
Yes, I’ll keep voting for whichever candidate the democrats come up with, but, that’s only because no credible third party candidate has ever come up. Unfortunately, without MAJOR change, we are stuck with the current two party system, and those two parties have and will use all the money and power at their disposal to keep it that way.
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u/AlwaysOptimism 2h ago
The hate GW as “worst president ever” was nonsense. The early onset of cynical social media grasped onto every misspeak of someone speaking hours a day and placed all the blame on him for the entire western worlds drive to invade the Mideast.
Trump on the other hand is a divisive, petty, insecure, self-dealing monster.
I look forward to him being out of my life forever. I just wish the rest of you had enough discipline to not listen to or comment about a word he says once he’s out of office so I never have to think of him again.
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u/Shington501 2h ago
Really? 9-11, Two illegal wars, housing bust/ bank bailouts? Pretty much sets the table for everything wrong now
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u/ded_rabtz 1h ago
Taking the country from a budget surplus to a deficit that we’ll never ever be able to get out of.
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u/Acceptable-Owl-2070 2h ago
Bush didn't take his idiocy out on his own country (aside from 9/11 Dick Cheney and Enron and all that biz) We all had it pretty well, all things considered.
Trump is just dismantling the nation through grifts/scams/hate meanwhile enriching himself and his family, he's created a cult of loyalists that will rather see the end times than a return to anything normal.
If Bush was shit, Trump is the run off that we all have to drink.
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u/Anvil_Prime_52 2h ago
No he very much did. A great deal of what's wrong with the country today can be traced back to the patriot act.
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u/ButterscotchAward 2h ago
No. Don’t do the stupid thing where you start saying he wasn’t so bad just because Trump is horrible.
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u/rockeye13 2h ago edited 1h ago
Don't worry. A pattern is clear. In 15 years there will be some new republican that democrats will be calling 'worse than hitler.'
As has happened my whole life. Y'all really just have that one script? FFS, you have all of Hollywood and you can't get a second plot?
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u/Wide-Internal-3579 1h ago
“Cheeto Hitler” shit like this is why no one takes us serious
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u/Imaginary_Budget_617 1h ago
Glad someone else’s say this too. Honestly comparing anyone to hitler is ridiculous. Drives me crazy.
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u/BigBearHug5mil3 1h ago
George W was a great president. Obama was the worst in modern times.
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u/Fun_Researcher_69420 1h ago
Yeah the nerve of him for being black. At least he wasn’t a woman though, amiright?
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u/VeroNature 1h ago
The simple leftist always thinks the one in charge at the moment is the worst ever. They only know what they feel, and they aren’t interested in rational discourse.
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u/CuddleBuddiesJJ 2h ago
Im so glad we can FINALLY make fun of these fake tans that girls get. They seem to not realize we all think they look like cheetos and its weird. Until trump we all had to pretend it wasnt embarrassing looking but FINALLY we can be honest.
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u/georgewalterackerman 2h ago
I think it’s amazing that Bush Jr was widely viewed as a classless dummy when he was POTUS. Next to a Trump he’s now an erudite wise man.
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u/Flexbottom 2h ago
No. He is directly responsible for lots of the ongoing bullshit. Fuck Bush and fuck the pedophile felon.
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u/Kindly_Ice_7510 1h ago
One can be worse than the other without saying he deserves less hate. Churchhill was better than Hitler in some senses but still caused a lot of famine in India and other colonies.
Similarly, the amount of shit that man did or actively allowed, and has gotten away with because we have Trump in office is astounding.
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u/Butter_Money_2045 1h ago
Just because a deathcap mushroom can kill you more painfully doesn’t mean strychnine is any less lethal.
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u/no_bender 1h ago
A million dead Iraqis might disagree, but they can't, because they're dead, because of George Bush. I understand, because Trump is fucking up the United States, he's doing it to us, not some other country, well he's doing that too.
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u/EnoughExperience8811 1h ago
Insane idea to have. The GWOT was an immense disaster, and it’s frankly ridiculous to compare it to anything you think Trump’s done
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u/xxxdrakoxxx 1h ago
i HATED Bush. I just never knew how low can the bar really go with republicans. Bush was a saint compared to Trump
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u/OgGamerGuy92 1h ago
Okay we get it, America ruined everything and caused more than it fixed and currently is inflating everything world wide, bush killed sadam, Obama killed bin Laden, the one now is ruining the global economics, but guess what? YOUR PEOPLE VOTE FOR THESE CLOWNS AND TAKE NO BLAME FOR IT, STOP VOTING, DONT SHOW UP, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUPID SHIT AND TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY
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u/EXSource 1h ago
Much much much less.
Bush wasn't great. He was kinda a mediocre Republican who did Republican things. Agree with them or not, but Bush cared about America and wanted the best for it.
Fuckface McGee, however is a evil, horrible, corrupt piece of shit that only cares about the following:
Himself.
That's it. That's the list. He's willing to fuck over you me and anyone else INCLUDING his family if it came to that to get what he wants.
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u/jimothythe2nd 1h ago
Bush is a war criminal. Trump is a corrupt pdf and probably also a war criminal at this point.
But yeh I'd love to go back to the bush days compared to all this bs we are living with now.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 1h ago
Bush wasn't even the worst president ever by the end of his term let alone before trump. Andrew johnson anyone?
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u/Thready85 1h ago
It will be all about Trump's personality. Bush wasn't a loud narcissist. That is his saving grace. Trump will forever have his words printed on Truth Social for generations to see.
Even if they presided similarly, Bush wasn't loud about it.
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u/Nerdyguyj 1h ago
I don't think Bush (checks notes) tried to overthrow the government and didn't rape anybody. As much as I detested him trump is by far worse than I ever could have conceived.
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u/SirVixofthePooSea 1h ago
George W Bush got more people killed for zero benefit than Trump has. He is categorically worse.
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u/paterlupus75 1h ago
I guarantee Trump won't spend his years after the White House painting veterans as a way to deal with his guilt.
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u/prettymooseknuckle 1h ago
Bush really f'ed this country up after 9/11 with both the Patriot Act and allowing and encouraging unrestricted Islamist immigration to the US from countries where the people hate our way of life. In his defense, I think he was too stupid to really know what was going on, the government establishment just told him what to think and do.
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u/1cem4n82 1h ago
He normalized the dumbass president look and laid the groundwork for this twat. I thought he sucked then and I haven’t forgotten.
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u/matt1911_ 1h ago
I guess we're just gonna gloss over biden and obama, and Carter and Lincoln and johnson like they never happened?
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u/Bitter_Particular_75 1h ago
Compared to W and most importantly Trump, they are the most incredibly intelligent, charismatic, amazing human beings to ever live.
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u/Western-Bowl2011 1h ago
Bush might have outwardly to the public had an "aw shucks" persona, but he was fucking evil.
From: "Devil May Care" by Tucker Carlson, Talk Magazine, September 1999, p. 106
"Bush's brand of forthright tough-guy populism can be appealing, and it has played well in Texas. Yet occasionally there are flashes of meanness visible beneath it.
While driving back from the speech later that day, Bush mentions Karla Faye Tucker, a double murderer who was executed in Texas last year. In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. 'Did you meet with any of them?' I ask.
Bush whips around and stares at me. 'No, I didn't meet with any of them,' he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. 'I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with, though. He asked her real difficult questions, like 'What would you say to Governor Bush?' 'What was her answer?' I wonder.
'Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me.'
I must look shocked -- ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel, even for someone as militantly anticrime as Bush -- because he immediately stops smirking.
'It's tough stuff,' Bush says, suddenly somber, 'but my job is to enforce the law.' As it turns out, the Larry King-Karla Faye Tucker exchange Bush recounted never took place, at least not on television. During her interview with King, however, Tucker did imply that Bush was succumbing to election-year pressure from pro-death penalty voters. Apparently Bush never forgot it. He has a long memory for slights."
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u/LiftHeavyLiveHard 1h ago
Why rank them?
Every president in history has been a self-interested asshole, they just inflict their damage in different ways.
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u/ComfortableGround403 1h ago
Bush ...bad. Very bad. Trump ... way way worse.
The only redeeming thing about Bush was that he didnt hate immigrants. Thats it.
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u/Informal-Beat-7700 1h ago
Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan killed at least a million people. He's up there with some of the worst humans in modern history.
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u/poolside123 1h ago edited 1h ago
Did George Bush publicly call countries “shitholes”? Did George Bush threaten to annex Canada & force it to be the 51st state? Did George Bush get accused of child r*pe and mlestation & charged with sxually assaulting a woman? And that was the stuff he did this week (approximately).
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u/Rickapolis 1h ago
It’s hard to believe how much worse each Republican president is than the one before. It’s like it is a fucking contest with them.
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u/Noleafclover1337 1h ago
You say that like it’s been a home run with the democrat presidents 🙄
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u/ACrazyDog 1h ago
I bet my friend that he would ever be known as the worst president ever. Many days I hope my Karma did not doom us all
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u/Jedi_Knight69 1h ago
At this point in time Bush is worse, these next 2 years will determine if Trump ends up at that point.
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u/thenewNFC 1h ago
Remember the only reason anyone thinks Ronald Reagan was a good guy is because the government spent a shit ton of money to make you think it.
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u/jake9288888 1h ago
If your two most disliked presidents are the most recent republican dudes its hard to take it seriously. I doubt there was any actual research done for this
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u/Kc68847 1h ago
No, Bush was horrific. He stated the endless war BS in the Middle East. Trump is just carrying out the continuation of the plan. If you believe these Presidents have a real power you’re a rube. They are all puppets. When the Dem wins you’re going to see more endless war, inflation, and debt.
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u/PackageUseful8090 1h ago
He was a piece of shit too, and paved the way for people to take things further. He doesn't get a pass because us was a little less evil and shitty. Fuck that little idiot
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u/Illustrious-Bed4420 1h ago
All I know is Immortal Technique SAVAGED George W. Bush, yet Donald Trump has been just as sinister and yet Immortal Technique hasn't really done shit. Immortal Technique had 3 albums worth of material just straight putting his boot on Bush's neck, but Trump has demonstrated a tendency to go even further than Bush ever did and what has Immortal Technique done about it? Some Instagram posts? Lmao. Come on now.
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u/OrangeCuddleBear 1h ago
As bad as Bush jr. was, i feel like he'd be a fun guy to have a few beers with. Trump has zero redeeming qualities... Unless you are a rapist.
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u/ded_rabtz 1h ago
George was a better human, but worse president, as unbelievably bad as Trump is. My opinion anyway. With hindsight, the policies of W. are perhaps the worst in history, however they were somewhat popular at the time. What Trump is doing isn’t AS bad, but almost not one wants this.
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u/Bittererr 1h ago
worse president, as unbelievably bad as Trump is
This is a wild take that could only be borne of not paying attention or just being a terrible person.
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u/Psychological_Song48 1h ago
Bush’s Iraq goof -up cost about $2.9T when one factors in VA health costs. Not even counting all the lives lost. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD.
Awful …
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u/shotgun883 1h ago
In what universe does George W Bush receive more hate than Trump? Bush was a war mongering moron but Trump was vilified before he was even elected.
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u/Such_Big_955 1h ago
I feel George W was a guy who felt like he was doing the best/right thing he could, even if he wasn't all that capable. At best, a party puppet pushed in due to his dad's legacy.
Trump on the other hand I feel knows what he's doing isn't for the best at times but does it out of spite.
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u/Savings-Warthog-8549 1h ago
W killed much more people. By now the answer is no, but 2028 is still far
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u/Mephistocheles 🦀 1h ago
I loathe Bush, but I'd take him in a millisecond if it meant getting rid of Dump
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u/OriginalObjective287 1h ago
The worst President was Warren G Harding. But he did have the decency to die in office, unlike DJT
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u/teejmaleng 1h ago
As a president, W Bush was not very good. He deceived the American people by leading the US into war with Iraq. This is the biggest blunder of the 20th century by the US imho. Thousands of US soldiers died, tens of thousands of Iraqis perished, billions squandered, and the conflict was unrelated to 9/11. The occupation of Iraq did not or make the United States more secure.
Trumps conflict in Iran is bad, but I would argue it pales in comparison to the quagmire that was the Iraq war, at least so far.
Domestically, trump has caused enormous grift personally and sped up the redistribution of wealth from poor and middle to wealthy through tax cuts.
Bush is less personally distasteful when it comes to character and conduct.
BUT, leave no child behind, the patriot act, cemented into law more long lasting negative effects onto the United States, when compared to Trump’s executive orders and few real policy accomplishments, ie the tax break.
So I think Bush was worse because I’m still convinced MAGA will die with trump and boring evil republicans will take his place.
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u/SlimPickens0 59m ago
Reagan deregulating banks probably did more damage than anyone else in recent history. The snowball effect it caused is still being felt today
Edit: domestic policy wise, not talking about any foreign affairs
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u/BigHotdog2009 1h ago
The worst president is by far Biden and before that it was Carter.
Reddit is gonna Reddit.
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u/UncleGarysmagic 59m ago
He was a horrible president but in a completely different way Trump is a horrible president, as Trump is a horrible person above all things, as well as being terrible at his job. Bush was a dumb puppet of more devious men, but ultimately responsible for the complete dumpster fire he left the country in.
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u/BeingAltruistic9560 57m ago
Bush singlehandedly stopped stem cell research in America, setting advancements in medicine back years. All because he was a "born again Christian "
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u/NoMyth73 54m ago
Looking forward, some of you will eventually be praising today’s “Cheeto Hitler” compared with whatever Republican becomes the next acceptable object of unlimited hatred. Bush was once that guy too. Political memory is remarkably short.
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u/whisperworks 2h ago edited 2h ago
Obviously. There’s been no president in living memory who deserves hate like Trump
You’d have to be very young or very dumb to think bush was as bad as trump lol