Natal placements that could predict experience having children

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I’d start with the 5th house: the sign there, its ruler, the condition of that ruler, and any planets in the 5th. I’d also look at the Moon, Jupiter, Venus, and the Ascendant ruler.

Traditional astrology considers Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces fruitful signs. Gemini, Leo, and Virgo are traditionally barren. Aries, Sagittarius, and Aquarius are often considered less fruitful. Taurus, Libra, and Capricorn vary more depending on the traditional astrologer being used as a source.

Jupiter and Venus supporting the 5th ruler can increase the testimony, while Saturn or Mars connected with the 5th can delay things, or make the experience more complicated depending on their condition and aspects.

There actually are older techniques that attempt to estimate the number of children, including the Lot of Children and techniques involving Jupiter and its triplicity rulers. I’d personally give exact-number predictions a lower confidence level than broader judgments about whether the chart contains a lot of testimony for children or whether the subject looks more complicated.

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u/EllaMinnow Aug 21 '26

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

What if someone's 5th house is empty -- what should you look for in their chart?

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u/FantasticCatch939 Aug 22 '26

I have an empty fifth house in Gemini and ended up having five children, including twins!

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u/arcwalkerlivvia Aug 21 '26

An empty 5th house is workable! In that case, I’d put more weight on the ruler of the 5th house.

I’d look at what sign that ruler is in, what house it occupies, its condition, and the aspects it receives. The sign can add another fruitful or barren testimony, while the house can describe where the subject of children becomes connected with the rest of the person’s life.

Then I’d bring in the Moon, Jupiter, Venus, and the Ascendant ruler and see whether they repeat the same story. If several of those significators are in fruitful signs or supporting the 5th ruler, the testimony starts stacking up. Saturn or Mars contacting the ruler can describe delay, difficulty, separation, or a more complicated experience depending on their condition.

I’d also keep timing techniques in mind. A 5th-house profection year can make that house more important, and a Solar Return can place planets in the 5th or activate its ruler. Transits through the 5th, to the 5th-house ruler, or to natal planets tied into the fertility picture can temporarily increase or decrease the testimony too.

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u/bluetopaz525 Aug 21 '26

That’s super interesting. Thank you for the detailed explanation!

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u/doubleshotofjameo Aug 23 '26

For what it’s worth, I’ve found the hermetic lots to be very accurate. About to check my Lot of Children, now!

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u/loves_spain Aug 23 '26

I’ve got Saturn in there and I pretty much told it to get bent because no way am I having children

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u/aliensuperstar96 21d ago

Hi! My 5th house is ruled by Sagittarius, and I have Jupiter in the 5th but in Capricorn (using placidus). My Jupiter squares my Aries moon and mars, along with my 3rd house Chiron in Libra and NN in Libra. I’ve read before where a debilitated ruler of the 5th indicates fertility and pregnancy complications. What are your thoughts on this?

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u/arcwalkerlivvia 17d ago

Good question! Sagittarius ruling your 5th makes Jupiter the ruler, and Jupiter being placed in the 5th is still pretty significant testimony for children. Jupiter in Capricorn is in fall, so I’d read that as the topic expressing in a more effortful or delayed way than Jupiter usually prefers.

Your Aries Moon and Mars bring in a less fruitful sign, and Mars squaring the 5th ruler can add difficulty or delays depending on sect and reception, along with the condition of both planets. I’d want to look at the whole chart before leaning too hard in one direction though. I’d check the Moon and Ascendant ruler, then Venus and the Lot of Children. I trust repeated testimony.

I’d also look at annual profection years, transits, solar returns, and other timing techniques too.

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u/GrandTrineAstrology Professional Astrologer Aug 21 '26

TL;DR: There are some instances where it is easy to see if someone will have a child or difficulty, but you have to also look at timing, such as in the case of Madonna. If, when, easy or struggles in regards to pregnancy depends on many different factors.

If the 5th house is ruled by Jupiter or if Jupiter is in the 5th house, there is a good chance of the person having more than 1 or 2 children. However, you still have to take into consideration the rest of the chart, the aspects to Jupiter or the other planets in the 5th house.

In regards to struggle, again, look at the 5th house and the ruler. Typically, Saturn can cause some struggle or delays in regards to having children but this doesn't mean that a person won't have children. I see lots of charts with Saturn in the 5th house where the person has a child or children.

For instance, I have a family member whose 5th house is in Leo, ruled by the Sun. Their Sun is in the sign of Capricorn, ruled by Saturn. They had 2 pregnancies that didn't lead to a birth before their two sons were born.

In my own chart, I have my sun and Neptune in the 5th house, which is in Scorpio and ruled by Mars (traditional) and Pluto (modern.) There is only 1 time in my life where I did not use any form of birth control. I knew that I would get pregnant and 2 weeks afterwards, I took a pregnancy test and sure enough, I was pregnant. It was quick for me, most likely due to the Mars rulership (but technically, I was in the middle of my cycle too.) When I did have my son, the birth was also very quick, so quick that the doctor thought I wouldn't deliver for many more hours, he went and did a C section and the nurse had to deliver my son 20 minutes after the doctor's last check-in. (In regards to modern rulership, the birth of my son and my relationship with him has transformed who I am the most.)

My sister was a huge Madonna fan and I remember back in the 80s, my sister telling me how Madonna was upset because a psychic told her she wouldn't have children. Now, I have no way of verifying this, but I think Madonna is an interesting example. Her 5th house is empty, and is in the sign of Capricorn, ruled by Saturn. Her Saturn is in the 4th house, and is in the sign of Sagittarius, which is ruled by Jupiter.

Madonna had Lourdes at the age of 38, which can be considered a delay in having children. She stated 2 years prior that she was trying to conceive, during a Mercury profection year. In February 1996, during the time she would conceive, Jupiter was transiting in her 5th house and applying a trine to her Virgo Moon. Jupiter's energy applied to the Moon, gave her an opportunity to get pregnant.

In her progressed chart, the Moon was in her 5th house in the sign of Aquarius, ruled by Saturn. The moon in her progressed 5th house, also supports having a child. In the progressed chart, she had a Jupiter conjunct to Neptune in the second house in the sign of Scorpio, ruled by Mars. This tight progressed conjunction helped her hopes and dreams to have children to come to fruition.

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u/PlayFair11317 Aug 22 '26

I have a stellium in Capricorn in my 5th but technically my 5th house is in Sag, which is ruled by Jupiter. My stellium planets in cap in that house are Neptune, Saturn and Uranus. I just turned 37 and have been TTC since December. My sister and I have the same rising sign and she also has Neptune in her 5th house. Shes gotten pregnant a few times very easily but only delivered 1 child at 38 yo. I’m nervous.

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u/cheeseburgerfairy420 Aug 21 '26

I have a 5th house stellium in Sag. I have my Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Mars there. I have 5 kids (including a set of twins), I get pregnant easily and never had any miscarriages but I had post partum depression, rage, and anxiety. Had a couple of traumatic births. I absolutely love being a mom and my kids are the best part of my life but I haven't had much support during the challenging parts of motherhood. I always wanted to be a mother and my kids bring me more joy than anything in the world. I think all of that is reflected in my 5th house.

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u/Alternative-Style499 Aug 22 '26

So interesting my chart is a bit similar- 5th house ruled by saggittarius and I have Neptune andJupiter conjunct there in Sagittarius and mercury in Capricorn there too. I have 4 kids. I also have had challenging births and several c sections. I love being a mom too. My career is in teaching too

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u/lunarlyplutonic Aug 21 '26

I’m a Cancer asc with a Scorpio 5th house. I have Jupiter and Pluto placed there. Jupiter opposes my Taurus moon (my chart ruler), and trines my MC in Pisces. I am currently a little halfway through my first pregnancy (so far all is well) at 32 y/o. I conceived when Jupiter was transiting my first house in Cancer! Something interesting to note is that my career is in education, in prek/kindergarten, and I am also a stepmom to a 4 year old. Children are definitely my lot in life.

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u/darlinggh444 Aug 22 '26

Relateable content! I’m a Cancer asc with Pluto sitting on my fifth house in Scorpio. My natal Jupiter is in Sagittarius, opposing my moon in Gemini. I’m also mid-way through my first pregnancy at 31yo, so I conceived while Jupiter was in Cancer, Uranus is Gemini, and Pluto in Aquarius. Talk about big shifts! lol

Interestingly enough, my partner happens to be a Scorpio rising and is a bonus parent to a child from a past relationship. I don’t expect we’ll play to have many children, but that they will be fated and transformative pregnancies.

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u/No-External-6844 Aug 22 '26 edited Aug 22 '26

Cancer rising here as well with Libra as 5th house ruler and then my Venus and Pluto is in Scorpio also in the 5th house! Venus is trine Jupiter in cancer as well, which is loose conjunct my rising. Venus also sextiles Saturn, Neptune and Uranus.

I’m 36 years old and just had my first baby. I got pregnant so fast with my partner I barely just met at the time and everything has been so smooth but I also had a bit of postpartum depression. I have a Capricorn stellium btw and Virgo sun. My daughter inherited my Pisces moon, cancer rising and cancer Jupiter. This is so interesting! I’m planning to have one my child and then I’m done lol.

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u/Seascape16 Aug 21 '26

Take a look at your 5th house

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u/Mission_Bug9422 Aug 22 '26

I have 5th house pisces saturn. I had strugles get pregnant for two years!! I have baby girl.. i had weird dreams in early pregnancy..

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u/EtherealFireQueen Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

I have Venus (7th house ruler) conjunct Saturn (4th house ruler) in Pisces in 5th house. They're square my 5th house ruler Jupiter in Sagittarius in 2H and opposite my Virgo Chiron Rx in 11th house. Venus is trine my Cancer Moon in 9th house. I am deeply afraid of childbirth lol. I'm 31 and never dated before so I don't even know if I would even have the chance of having children anyway. If I did have kids, I would want 4 kids, mostly girls. I wouldn't want just one kid. I struggle a lot financially, so I always felt like I was destined not to because I struggle so much trying to take care of myself. Sometimes I am sad that I can't even have a husband...

There wasn't any woman who struggled to get pregnant in my family so I would be shocked if I struggled. I'm one of the only few that doesn't have kids. But yeah I would actively not try to have kids because I'm scared of childbirth. But if I got pregnant despite using protection, I would keep them. I did those pick-a-card readings on YouTube and they always said I would get pregnant right away if I didn't use protection which scared me. But only with my future spouse and when I am financially stable.

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u/astrologyqueen2023 Aug 23 '26

I have Neptune retrograde in Sag in 5th, trine sun and Jupiter, and both my husband and daughter are Sag risings. 🤩

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u/astrologyqueen2023 Aug 23 '26

Sun and Jupiter are in Leo in 1st, fyi. Should have added that above.

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u/DoubleAccess6601 Aug 25 '26

I have a 5H Libra SN and have always been averse to having children. I also have a big career focus (10H Sun + Mercury, 9H MC + Venus, 11H NN). Sadly I’m also very fertile. I’ve only met one person in life where I felt comfortable having children with but I was too far behind in life (lots of trauma, 12H Taurus, abuse through my childhood and relationships) at the time and our relationship didn’t work out.

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u/Old_Cartographer_618 Aug 25 '26

I have chiron and north node in the 5th , ruler is Libra 🥹 what does it mean?

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u/ayshandcats Aug 21 '26

I have mars in Aries in the 5th. Any thoughts on what the next year might look like for fertility?

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u/darlinggh444 Aug 22 '26

I’m not sure, but currently Saturn and Neptune are in Aries so there could possibly be a delay there. This may be more of a time for clarification of boundaries and self assertion in intimate matters. That might look like imagining what parenthood would look like (dreaming) and how you intend to enter it (building) before moving forward

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u/ayshandcats Aug 22 '26

This definitely resonates with where i am right now. Thank you!

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u/tortillachipsbabe Aug 23 '26

Thank you for this insight because it really resonates with where I am in my life right now. I have Venus & NN in Aquarius in 5th.

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