r/australia • u/Life_Paramedic_4399 • 2d ago
news Aussie teacher is jailed after secretly taking photos of uniformed schoolgirls and using AI to generate nude images
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16206899/christopher-savage-teacher-schoolgirls-images-jail-queensland.html372
u/Cantora 2d ago
I have a feeling this is happening a shit tonne more than we know. All over the world
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u/the_colonelclink 2d ago
Morbid story time:
In my IT days, I used to own a computer shop. We had an old dude that quite literally left CP on his desktop. Naturally we called the cops, who then came and grabbed the compute and gave us a receipt which basically said "cops have taken your shit, call this number to proceed."
It was then about 3 years later that we ever heard from the Department of Public Prosecutions who took a statement from us, to help the guy to plead guilty.
Not long after that I was working on transferring a guy's data from a failed laptop, onto an external drive. To save us time, we have a program which we basically tell "grab every media file and just transfer to the new location/drive". It had been on the bench for ages, and I went over and happened to check the name of a file currently being transferred. It alluded quite explicitly to being CP. I then checked the location manually and saw fucking tonnes of it, and so called the police.
This time however, after they took the computer, a detective senior sergeant literally came the next day and subpoenaed me for court. I ask him, "Why was this guy literally one day, and that old guy we had took years?".
He matter of factly explained that there are just that many pedos, they can only do so much. So it's basically triaged on whether or not they are sharing their disgusting habits, or, whether or not the files they are sharing are new.
They run AI through the videos and they can tell if a file has been catalogued, or whether it's unique. If it's unique, it suggests the perp is either making the porn themselves, or is very, very close to someone who is, and so that's where they'll dedicate their resources. If they happen to catch anyone in that priority drag net, so be it.
Otherwise, the small fry they leave for when things get quite - which happens, every few years...
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u/nandyssy 2d ago
far out. I shouldn't be surprised but my first reaction is still "this shouldn't be common"
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u/xtrabeanie 1d ago
Current world events seem to suggest it is way more common than we might think and that there are many perpetrators in positions of significant power
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u/ladyangua 2d ago
Honestly, scanning CP might be one of the better uses of AI if it saves a human from having to do the entire catalogue.
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u/-charlatanandthief 2d ago
The AI is trained to spot the CSAM by extremely underpaid workers in countries with less employment rights. Someone still suffers, they're just not a white cop in a rich country.
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u/aeschenkarnos 2d ago
I’m not going to say that doesn’t happen at all, but it’s not an unavoidable part of the training process. 3Blue1Brown has a series of videos on how neural networks are trained and a human saying “yes” or “no” is not really required. It just needs a large number of samples that fit a criterion, and don’t, and it will determine the distinctions for itself, faster and more accurately than humans could.
So in the case of CSAM there’s the corpus of images reliably labeled as such, which the judicial system has already assembled in the process of taking it off people and prosecuting them for having it, and the corpus of images reliably labeled as not CSAM, which broadly speaking would be every image on the internet that can be assumed to have been looked at often enough that no-one has removed it for being CSAM.
Given these two image sets it will itself find the differences between the two, and remarkably quickly become able to sort a new image into group A or B. There’ll always be false positives and false negatives, but there is with humans too, and at some point its rate of these gets better than for humans (as it currently is with detecting certain cancers from X-rays).
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u/pelrun 1d ago edited 1d ago
"just"
You do need a high-quality well-tagged corpus in the first place, and I wouldn't assume it's simply already there for the taking - even though the justice system sadly has plenty of examples it's not necessarily in any sort of usable form for training purposes, and dealing with it is traumatic for nearly anyone. That's even if they give you access to it - it shouldn't be hard to see that releasing those images to anyone without a massive amount of regulatory hoops and oversight is a terrible idea. Far easier and cheaper for the AI companies to just assemble their own corpuses from the images that people are uploading through their own online services.
The corporations creating AI tools have been repeatedly caught out using cheap labour in low-income countries in places like Africa to do particularly harrowing classification tasks for training purposes - it's not a theoretical situation.
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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo 1d ago
Don't really need AI for that though. Image recognition and matching has existed prior to AI.
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u/TisCass 2d ago
Grok is basically a CSAM bot at this stage, something like 40 years worth of it generated.
Going off what's happened since Epstein, there's either a LOT more rock spiders out there or people are just that stupid. Can't decide which is which
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u/FireLucid 2d ago
Most likely is that anyone that had a predilection in that direction but still some sort of internal code can now create it without 'harming' anyone.
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u/philmarcracken 2d ago
Well yeah, local video gen models are out there. H3 minimax is pretty uncensored too. Do keep in mind that not everyone has a powerful enough gpu to do this constantly, and not all the ones that do are degenerate perverts.
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u/AshEliseB 2d ago
Of course, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.
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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago
IMO the foreseeable scope of that iceberg is, anyone can produce an image of anything. That’s just at this point; further down the iceberg is video, further down still is immersive VR, further down is Matrix style simulation of reality - and how do we know we aren’t in that already?
The limitations are the user’s ability to adequately describe the output they want from it, and their patience for generating contender outputs over and over from inadequate descriptions.
Notably not in the limitations is anything about copyright, morality, legality, good taste, blasphemy, etc. These are value judgments not descriptions. The line is blurry, you can definitely train an AI to assess the generated image for copyright violations, CSAM, probably even blasphemy if anyone has collected up enough reliably labelled blasphemous images to train it on. (Good/bad taste is a far harder problem.)
And commercial providers generally do, so some extent. Copilot will refuse to show you an image it generates for you if it assesses the image as bad in some way. Contrary to popular belief this is not done by starving Africans who get a shock if they let you see a bad image and receive 0.25c if they stop you, it’s done by other AIs whose job is to give a yes or no to letting the image through, on the grounds of it being copyright, CSAM, depicting a living person (do they update that daily?) and a growing list of other reasons.
Unless you do the generation, and in the future training maybe, locally. You are reading this on a device more powerful than the 1990 equivalent of a data center. Moore’s Law must inevitably fail but it hasn’t failed yet.
At some point, should you live so long, you become the tiny god of your own tiny world and nothing will restrain you. Science fiction anticipates this, as is its job.
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u/Big_Knife_SK 2d ago
Headline misses the important (and criminal) part of distributing said images.
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u/51lverb1rd 2d ago
Generating pedophilic images is also criminal
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u/lwilliams99 2d ago
So is taking them
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u/Rustywolf 2d ago
Okay but he didnt take photos of cp
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u/HardlyNormal2 1d ago
I wonder the legality of a teacher taking photos of students with their personal device. Whether the students are clothed or not, it seems like it should at least be against their contract with the school. It's not appropriate.
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u/farqueue2 1d ago
I was literally wondering (without reading the article) how they worked out what he was doing with AI.
Creepiness aside, how fucking stupid would you have to be
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u/Eggmodo 2d ago
No, the important part is he only got caught because he distributed those images online. If he kept to himself nobody would have found out. That is the creepy part and why AI regulation is required.
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u/sostopher 2d ago
AI regulation is required.
The problem here is that most of these models are open source, as are the data sets. It's like saying we need to regulate Photoshop because it could be used to generate images like this.
It's a tool at the end of the day, and the maker of the tool doesn't know how someone else may use it. It's extremely hard to have proper regulation, since it's not the paid/frontier models doing this - it's usually locally run open source.
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u/ParentalAnalysis 1d ago
Pretty fucked to think about this. They're only generating convincing fakes of these nude children because they have consumed content of nude children before.
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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago
Or regulate pens and paper because people could use them to write stories about me that I wouldn’t like. And even show them to each other!
The difference is the photorealism. Even then, applying “in the style of Norman Rockwell” is possible.
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u/sostopher 1d ago
Yeah. It's why it's functionally impossible to "regulate the AI" in these cases. I don't also want to get to the stage where the government is regulating code, which is effectively speech.
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u/guska 2d ago
I'm not sure how further regulation would help prevent generation.
Decensoring models is time consuming but relatively easy. The model doesn't need to have been trained on illicit material for it to produce illicit material. It just needs to have 'understand' the concepts involved, nakedness, pornographic poses/situations, children, etc. The model can combine the concepts pretty easily, as that's what image generation models are specifically designed to do.
It takes about a day, all told, to prepare a batch of images, caption them, and train a LoRA to reliably reproduce a particular element. So if you had, say, a dozen images of yourself, you could create a LoRA that plumbs into the pipeline, and will always generate you pretty accurately. Img2img workflows don't even need a LoRA trained, you can just feed the model a sample image, tell it to make the modifications you want ("make me look super jacked and change my clothes to gym attire"), and any model put out in the last couple of years will do it pretty well.
If that's all done in the privacy of someone's home, how do you police or regulate that? About the best you could do now, is to shut down the likes of Huggingface and Civitai, or make uncensored models illegal to distribute. But that would merely push uncensored models to the dark web, and they would be even harder than actual illicit material to uncover and enforce.
I don't actually think there is a solution to this problem. That's not to say that I don't support trying to find one, just that regulation isn't putting this particular genie back in the bottle.
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u/Glennstheche 2d ago
And why do these freaks always get caught with so SO SO many photos? Like every time its hard drives and hard drives, TENS OF THOUSANDS of photos of CP. crazy
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u/its_the_rhys 2d ago
Well, think about it. Someone with only one or two pictures isn't likely to get caught. Someone who keeps doing this thousands of times is bound to slip up once or twice and then get investigated.
If you're asking about why they have so much in the first place, it also make sense. With legal porn, you can stream it pretty much whenever you want. With illegal porn, you'd have to go to some lengths to get or create it, and it wouldn't be economical to erase it afterwards. Storing is the best option there.
(To be clear, this is just assumptions, but they make sense to me)
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u/meowkitty84 1d ago
I heard a video is charged per frame. So a 1 minute video could be 60 CSAM images. If they have hours of videos saved that's thousands of images
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u/pursnikitty 1d ago
You aren’t going to see much movement at one frame per second. Videos are usually 24, 25, or 30 fps.
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u/Glennstheche 1d ago
Yeah I'm a dumbass, that makes 1000% so much sense lol. But man. I guess it's like any slippery slope addiction, how do you let it get that bad. That crime is pretty much the worst thing a person can do besides SA to those subjects. 🙁🙁
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u/Spire_Citron 2d ago
Because the reality is that we're so bad at catching them that that's what it takes. We're probably missing a bunch of the ones who have less. Also I guess it doesn't make for as much of a story when it's a smaller crime.
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u/time_is_galleons 1d ago
We are absolutely missing many many many abusers. The amount of CSAM out there is prolific, as is the amount of abusers. Law enforcement are only able to catch a very small percentage, and they tend wantto make sure they can nail them.
Source: I used to work in law enforcement.
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u/YouThinkYouKnowMe89 1d ago
A few years ago my wife and I were on vacation in Asia and there was an older Aussie man staying at the same place we were. We saw him twice with different boys on his lap and he was kissing one of them. She had to stop me getting violent on the spot. We called a number we found for the Aussie police to ask what to do. We sneakily took his photo the next time we saw him at breakfast and took it to the local police station and told them were we stayed. We also emailed the photos of the guy to this email address we were given. Don't know if he got busted at all as we never heard back from any of it.
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u/time_is_galleons 1d ago
That’s so awful, you guys did the right thing. It’s unlikely you would have heard about it unless he showed up on the news. But by doing something you were hopefully helping get those boys (and future victims) out of harm’s way.
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u/rawker86 2d ago
AI imagery is at the point now where anyone with a decent computer can generate an image once every twenty seconds or so. For labour-intensive models that might jump up to once every minute, 3 minutes for video. It wouldn’t take long to have thousands of images.
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u/charcoalportraiture 2d ago
They trade. They buy into CSA material, by contributing it and proving they're also scummy humans. So they keep stock to get access to more stock. That, and because these people aren't exactly restrained in their perversions.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 2d ago
I'm surprised nobody's replied with the real facts. CSAM is usually traded in large zip files containing thousands of images and videos.
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u/Like_cockatoos 2d ago
Someone might be able to correct me, but I think every frame of a video counts as an image. Not that that makes it any better.
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u/Remarkable-Vanilla-3 2d ago
No, they usually report video as time - eg they will say 10 000 images and 40 hours of video.
Offenders normally get it in bulk which is why there's so much volume - they find someone with their preferred content and they receive all of it
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u/FreeJulianMassage 2d ago
Surely not. They’re checking the frame rate of each video and then totaling it? Wild if so.
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u/aeschenkarnos 2d ago
Cop math for drug busts is notorious for including packaging, and if it’s plants they will include the pot and the dirt when weighing a plant. It wouldn’t surprise me if they took a similar approach to counting illegal images.
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u/Sacagawea1992 1d ago
When pedos go to jail, they don’t stop being pedos when they come out in 6 years like in this case. What do we do with them? It’s not safe for them to be free.
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u/notreallyhereokbye 1d ago
No one knows what to do with them. There’s a psych facility full of them in California where they live in limbo because they’ve served their prison sentences but they’re not deemed safe for release.
Louis Theroux went there and it’s essentially a permanent housing situation because they’re still attracted to children and nothing will change that.
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u/Maximum_Fun203 1d ago
Yep I agree. I think registration on a sex offenders registry for life is mandatory like they do in the US. Mind you the US doesn’t do that many right things these days. Make them wear an ankle bracelet for the same amount of time that they were in prison for when they are let free. Prohibit them from being within certain distance of schools, swimming pools etc Make it so difficult for them to exist the pieces of shit they are.
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u/100haku 1d ago
Combine it with mandatory psycho therapy
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u/Maximum_Fun203 1d ago
Yes agree, great point. And if they ever breach just
one of these conditions then it is mandatory legislated that they go back straight to prison for a specified time and I forgot somethjng. None of this bullshit segregation, the shoe, the hole or protective custody bs. They all go into general population and let nature take its course.5
u/100haku 1d ago
Psycho therapy and mental health treatment will also help to figure out which ones are the ones who have these urges and don't want them but can't control them vs more dangerous predators who have the urges and do not care, which will help guide who to monitor more closely (and maybe even chemically castrate them which reduces sexual urges).
But even if you go with an approach where you are less strict I think with this condition, even now, psychotherapy and an ankle bracelet to make sure they go there should be standard, because without that you just hope they somehow learn to not give in to the urges again after prison
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u/Sacagawea1992 1d ago
I used to work in offender prevention. No model stops recidivism and none of them can control their urges if given the opportunity.
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u/brokenmindedone 1d ago
The thing is you can make it difficult for them to exist but that means most of them cant get jobs and so on so they are just getting money off centerlink for life. Would tax payers prefer these people go out and earn their own money instead of living off tax payer money?
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u/My_bones_are_itchy 1d ago
Living on Centrelink is virtually impossible. You can’t even rent a room for the entire dole anymore.
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u/Most_Area4239 2d ago
Jeez this is so sickening and disturbing. Lock him up and throw the key away.
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u/OdielSax 2d ago
I'm so confused as to why this is happening so often and as a society we still haven't managed to stop this.
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u/SphynxKitty 2d ago
There's two types of child sex offender. The genuine pedophile who is sexually excited by children, and the child sex offender who does it because power and control is their thing.
From what I have read and researchers I have listened to, the genuine pedophile is less likely to offend, and more likely to seek treatment/help. The power-seekers see the hunt as part of the power-play and are less likely to see their behaviour as abnormal in Western society (I don't know about others) because men are supposed to feel powerful, be able to impose their desires on others, and our Patriarchal society turns a mostly blind eye to any offending against women and children, being more concerned about the effect of the accusation on the male, then the effect on the child/woman. There is a correlation between domestic violence offenders and child sex offenders.
background - my brother sexually assaulted his 7 year old step-daughter and then killed himself when her sibling dobbed him in to their father who had him arrested.
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u/OdielSax 2d ago
I'm so sorry about your story. Thank you for sharing your insight, which I think is the type that should be listened to by politicians to help us progress on this issue.
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u/SphynxKitty 2d ago
I don't know if they can help much with changing society as much of what is the issue is not seen as a problem. Women are being killed every week by males who they love/know. There's no emergency action, no change to policies, no public shaming of men as a whole for not policing their behaviour or the behaviour of their friends and colleagues. The rise in bro culture (which my brother was enthusiastically involved in) and fascism is all part of male dominance as identity.
Until men expect all men to be more than angry animals, things will remain the same.
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u/Repulsive_Set4541 2d ago
I agree 100% I’ve grown up with it . Seen it . And I know It is overwhelmingly males that are the problem. But what can i as a male do . I don’t associate with anybody like that, at least not anybody that i know about. If i knew anybody like that, they sure as hell wouldn’t tell me . Im not just taking about sexual offenders but also men who are violent against women . I would never act like that, i have a step son and i have had many conversations over the years about how wrong that sort of thing is and why. If i ever saw anything like that happening i sure as hell would do everything i could about it. It’s not like sexual offenders and domestic abusers tell their friends or work colleagues about it. So i really don’t know what i could possible do about it.
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
What is frustrating, as an onlooker, who has known people subject to male violence is that men regularly say "I dont know any male who has done xyz" but the statistics say that is just not true..
You may not know of your friends' habits or secrets but take a look at your friend male friend group and statistically one of them is involved in one of these things..
Its frustrating to hear men put the problems back on victims by shrugging their shoulders and saying "got nothing to do with me" - while womens' charities and women-led groups are expected to support female victims.
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u/Repulsive_Set4541 2d ago
How do i find out which men i know that are abusers? No one tells sexist jokes or makes sexist remarks around me , no one i know says things that would make me think they are abusers. I know statistically some may be, but they are not going to tell me . I want to help female victims of violence as a man, but how?
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u/lulzenberg 2d ago
Statistics are terrible in this sense and makes it seem like all these men out there must be hanging out with abusers and protecting them etc. In Australia there was a study done and the rate was pretty damn high, 35% of men ages 18-65 had reported using some form of intimate partner violence. By that you'd go "oh wow, 1 in every 3 people i know must be these terrible men!", but that isn't how social circles work. People tend to congregate with other people they find common ground with. If you meet someone making jokes/statements that don't align with how you think, or acting in a way that you don't agree with, the vast majority of people would gravitate away from them. It's defintely more prevalant in heavy drinkers, high T individuals, people who live in the 'bro' culture (to name a few) - but people who aren't part of these segments wouldn't really ever interact with them, especially with the rate of people even going out to do things in groups dropping significantly in the digital age.
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
It starts with changing the latent discrimination in every day language, noticing underlying behaviours and attitudes and responding. If you "dont hear it" you probably don't recognize it. It could be "wife" or "mother in law" jokes, comments about a random womans appearance to be overt or something as simple as using a female attributed word as an insult or slur. It might be as simple as listening to the females in your life. I think the best you can do is learn to recognize it when you see it, and call it out clearly and vocally. If you want to be active, how about joining or starting a mens' support group? I hear they hardly ever get off the ground because they never get any volunteers. Or a victims of violence support group.
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u/Repulsive_Set4541 2d ago
If you read my earlier posts, you’d know i already do all these things . I also mention i work full time and study full-time And have young kids and a grandchild at home. Im at home with the flu today. Ill look to see if there is a victims of violence or mens support group with online meetings though, as the only thing in my town in a mens shed, and the only men who go there are average age of 75. And I’m an hours drive from a city that would have anything like that. Very difficult time wise and money wise with fuel. But thanks for the suggestions
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u/IwantyoualltoBEDAVE 2d ago
You as a man have much much more power to change other men than we as women do. Agitate. Advocate. Educate.
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u/Pharmboy_Andy 2d ago
Because there are lots of people in the world.
If the number of people who would do this is 0.1% of the population then Australia has 30,000 of them. The world has 8 million of them.
People have to get over this idea that it is possible to stop all degeneracy. There are psychopaths and sociopaths in our population. They will, probably, always be there.
Yes, we want to try to minimise the harm they cause but it is impossible to stop it all.
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u/GusPolinskiPolka 1d ago
I've read research that suggests the number is closer to 10-15% of the male population has ADMITTED to being attracted to minors. let alone those who haven't admitted it.
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u/LittleBunInaBigWorld 1d ago
I read stats waaaay higher than that. But every state i see is different
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u/binderclip666 2d ago
We still haven't stopped children being abused by parents, siblings, other relatives, family friends, teachers, swimming coaches, etc. This is just another way it happens. I swear the "stranger danger" campaign helped abusers no end
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u/curious_astronauts 2d ago
Because they keep getting either protected or a slap on the wrist. There are just no consequences for sex crimes against women's or kids. So why would it stop if there are no consequences?
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u/OdielSax 2d ago
Definitely true. But I also mean, where do these urges come from, why do these people target children? There might be some sort of brain issue, but I wonder if just like rapists are enabled by misogyny, there isn't some global issue in our view of children. Adults have taken it out on children for a long time.
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u/Spire_Citron 2d ago
In many cases, it's about power. If you want to have power over someone, a child is the ultimate target.
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u/ivosaurus 2d ago
Perfect unanimous morals and design is not something we've naturally evolved. We're fucked up in many small and great ways. It's one of life's mysteries that we're capable of such great good and great evil at the same time.
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u/OdielSax 2d ago
Definitely, I don't think we can eliminate all offenses, but I feel like crimes on children are happening way too often, almost as an epidemic, and there's gotta be something we can do to work on the social causes.
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u/ivosaurus 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'd argue the opposite. At least in developed countries, there is absolutely no safer time throughout history, to be a child than now. That's not to say the present is perfect or that there isn't plenty of room to make the future even better. That way, hopefully someone in a decade's time can make the same comment as this one. But one must be careful to know if you've actually separated true frequency of a problem, from a rise or fall in how much it's being reported.
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u/OdielSax 2d ago
Maybe it's just my algorithm then, but between this, Epstein's island, childcare scandals, and the international war crimes I follow, it feels really dark.
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u/ivosaurus 2d ago
Even before the age of the algorithm we've known the news didn't get the most eyeballs by being positive or even fair. Negativity, fear, and outrage are unfortunately slightly better at holding our brains' attention. The modern day news feed has only honed its craft.
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u/Tedmosbyisajerk-com 2d ago
The guy in this article has been sent to jail. His career is ruined and his social standing has been completely obliterated. What were you saying about no concequences?
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u/GeebangerPoloClub 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is really very difficult because obviously you want to convict paedos, but what's the solution? Lower evidentiary standards? Well, then we're convicting more people to make the number go up, but we've presented less actual proof to make sure we're actually convicting, you know, the actual paedos.
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
Its because a large number of child victims are non-verbal and their accounts are not treated as seriously as an adults. A child has problems in articulating events that they dont understand. The police need to do a better job in taking this stuff seriously rather than assuming kids and parents are lying or making things up when stuff is reported, as is often the case...
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u/Haunting_Heat3296 2d ago
Estimates show that about 95% of sexual assaults/rapes go without conviction - there are barriers to reporting, to having sufficient evidence for charges and to having successful prosecution. Most victims never report because they see how badly victims are treated.
So yes every so often someone is actually punished, but nearly everyone who engages in sexual crimes gets away with it.
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u/Heavy_Structure568 2d ago
He got only 6 years. Thats not long enough. He will be out in 2.5 and without a job have all the time in the world to be a rock spider.
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u/Spire_Citron 2d ago
Studies show that it's more about the likelihood of getting caught/punished than it is the severity of the punishment. So many people get away with sex crimes entirely. And yeah, in this case he is being punished significantly, but how many case have you seen where the person got nothing more than a slap on the wrist?
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
Have a look at the Louis Theroux documentary "A place for pedophiles" - Maybe we should start doing this.. lock them up and throw away the key..
These people often offend and then reoffend. Theres no treatment for them. We have plenty of space for such spaces..
Its getting to the point where these people cannot exist in our modern, connected society which enables their behaviour.
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u/Johnny66Johnny 2d ago
Have a look at the Louis Theroux documentary "A place for pedophiles" - Maybe we should start doing this.. lock them up and throw away the key..
But the Theroux documentary doesn't necessarily condone this. It does, in fact, interrogate the rationale for such penal institutions, and if rehabilitation is possible. The answer, if any, is by no means simple.
Indeed, his follow-up documentary, Among The Sex Offenders (2014), follows paroled sex offenders and the reality of their lives under surveillance.
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u/istara 2d ago
That's why I think instead of locking people up in high security, we should build some kind of relatively open community on an island and let them live there and farm or whatever. Give them access to Netflix etc but maybe not the wider internet. It would be cheaper and more humane.
It would need to be biologically single sex or castrated/infertile, as you could not risk any children being born in such an environment.
Supply ships could drop off the necessary every month, with a GP sent for medical checkups, and beyond that those people could just live out their lives in isolation from the rest of society. If they turned into Lord of the Flies and annihilated one another, so be it.
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u/warmind14 2d ago
That's a terrible idea, oh it's good for rehab prospects, but realistically makes them a target for anyone with actual or perceived injustices. Itll be a known location that would undoubtedly be either attacked, or blockaded to prevent outside logistical support.
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u/trailblazer103 2d ago
Sorry but this is brain-dead. The empirical evidence could not be more clear in multiple settings and contexts - longer sentences dont work to deter criminals most simply assume they wont get caught.
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u/rawker86 2d ago
Laws and regs can’t keep up with the speed of AI. even if you were to shut down the websites doing this type of stuff, it is still very easy for someone to create any image or video they want on their own PC, with basically zero guardrails.
The latest and greatest AI model can create realistic video of a person with a single reference photo, and if you have audio of them it’ll clone their voice too. And it’s only going to get better at it.
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u/Emu1981 2d ago
Because it it too easy. There are plenty of AI models that you can download that you can use to generate images of people without cloths on and it doesn't take much effort. Google's Gemini is perfectly willing to hold your hand and walk you through how to download and install the AI tools required with just a small warning of "please ensure you have the explicit consent of any real individuals depicted in your images before modifying them, as generating non-consensual altered imagery violates ethical standards and legal regulations in many jurisdictions".
Unfortunately the AI models will do as you ask with no guard rails. I had a play around with a AI model that generates images of people (long story) and some seemingly innocent prompt terms will happily randomly generate images of really young looking girls. That said, the AI models are really bad at generating female genitals (I was curious) so there are still limits to what one can generate (at least at home).
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u/Flyerone 2d ago
I only just heard of the UK school who had been blackmailed by someone who had used photos of schoolgirls to make ai deepfake porn containing the imagery of the girls.
Fuck this guy, and fuck anyone doing this type of shit.
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u/Common-Agency-4867 2d ago edited 2d ago
"After pleading guilty to 31 child-abuse offences, Savage was sentenced to six years in jail". Six years. That'll show him 🙄🙄🙄 there is literally no deterrent for their revolting crimes. what a sack of vile shit.
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u/One_Jello_1542 2d ago
Last night I saw on abc news a man in NT was just sentenced to 11 years in prison, with only a 5 year non-parole period. He had beaten his girlfriend to death.
So six years in this case is more than I would've expected.
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u/AstralQuads 2d ago
Yeah, i know of 3 boys who were raped multiple times by a male family member of theirs. He got 4 years for it and it was later overturned after her served 18 months on a technicality. The technicality was that the 8 year old's statement changed once.
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u/ClearlyAThrowawai 2d ago
How long do you think he should have gotten?
6 years sounds like a pretty damn long time to me. If you hand out life sentences for everything don't be shocked when people decide there's no reason not to do worse if the penalty is already as bad as it can get.
eg. Prisoners with life sentences are way more likely to kill again in prison because they know they're never getting out anyway; Society can't do any worse to them. Likewise if you make the penalty for any crime arbitrarily bad people will just decide to stop caring about making things worse and possibly do more harm instead.
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u/Sixo 1d ago
There's this constant push, that has accelerated recently, to make our legal system more like the US', where they massively oversentence for every single crime. Because it "feels" right. I don't think they realize that we have a much lower prison population and a much higher rate of rehabilitation than the US does.
There is no evidence to suggest more punishing legal systems work better, they cost a lot more money, and are more harmful to people wrongly imprisoned. In fact, there is a lot of evidence to suggest more punishing sentencing actually increases both crime rates and crime severity, for the reasons you outlined above.
Legal systems are incredibly complex, and the 6 years here wasn't just randomly arrived at. There is a huge amount of research, data and debate that goes into both sentencing guidelines and then a lot of context goes into the actual sentencing. Shortcutting all that from moral outrage is a good way to accidently and irreperably break society.
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u/metambles 1d ago
American prisons are also privatised, more prisoners means more money. Which is fucking terrible
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u/letsburn00 1d ago
I actually feel like this was enhanced by him being their teacher. Laws where no person was specifically hurt are always complicated to work out how to punish (historically CSAM needed a child to be abused to create it). That he chose actually people is probably another level of punishment on it.
There was some vague thought early in the AI boom if this was an answer for these people, since just like it can combine Tom Cruise and Marshmallow, it can combine kids and Adult. The reality though is that there has been research on this topic and it does not reduce their chances of offending, it increases it.
The guy is a creep and we need to scale laws. I suspect that him being their teacher increased the punishment by a fair bit. The odds this was just his mental first step is fairly high.
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u/letsburn00 2d ago
6 years and effectively his life ruined is a reasonable punishment.
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u/xarenox 2d ago
If he only got 6 years its likely because the judge assessed that this is on the lower end of spectrum for crimes of that nature.
I remember reading the case notes for a dude who sexually assaulted 2 of his underage family members as well as 8 girls who worked at his business and the judge also labelled that on the tamer side of offences and gave him 10 years.
Unfortunately, if they gave all crimes of this nature the highest-level punishment, there would be no deterrent for them to not rape or do worse to these girls if the outcome is the same when they are caught. It's sick but the reality of these things.
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u/Silver_Individual_67 2d ago
And yet it’s a lifetime punishment for the victims 😢
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u/KazeEnigma 2d ago
It doesn't have to be. CSA survivor here. While it changed who I am, it's not something that consumes me anymore. Lots of therapy and help and care has happened to make me "ok".
There is light at the end of the tunnel, if you can find it.
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u/YouCanCallMeBazza 1d ago
True, but that doesn't dismiss their point that the impacts these crimes can have vary.
Having your privacy invaded and your likeness used for inappropriate AI-generated images is a horrendous thing that nobody deserves, but the sad reality is that there are crimes that have much worse consequences for victims.
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u/Silver_Individual_67 1d ago
What are you on about?
I was replying to a comment that referred to a guy who sexually assaulted 2 underage family members and 8 girls who worked at his business.
I’m fairly certain they won’t just forget about it.
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u/Key_Act7655 2d ago
While I understand your frustration, he didn't actually 'harm' any schoolgirls in the physical sense. He's a pedo and a pervert and we're all happy he got served justice... but 6 years is PLENTY of time for a crime on the softer end of this spectrum. Ontop of that, his life, career and social ostracisation will be more than enough.
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u/CptnWolfe 2d ago
The justice system won't do anything, but the other inmates will once they find out
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u/Pirhanaglowsticks 2d ago
Is this actually true? And if so why do people (not necessarily you) so often celebrate this?
Letting some prisoner indulge their sick fantasies and harming someone is not justice or justifiable. Regardless of what he did, the idea of letting criminals do that and seeing it as okay is reprehensible.
The more we allow brutalisation in prison, the further we get from the very distant concept of rehabilitation for anyone. And that means traumatized people being released, and people who continued their violence and disregard for others being released as well. Who the fuck wants that?
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u/GeebangerPoloClub 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah it's disturbing how many internet tough guys think "rape is good actually" when it happens in prisons. Especially ironic on a thread about sex crimes.
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u/lanshark974 2d ago
More important that time in jail is psychological or psychiatric follow up during his time that is important.
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u/Nature_Jay94 1d ago
Able to go for parole in 2029 and his teaching license is only suspended, not revoked is fkn wild. So in a few years he might actually be able to go back and start doing this all over again. Australia is some of the worst at giving proper criminal sentencing compared to the crime 🤦♂️
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u/quick_dry 1d ago
not all teaching is of children.
He'll never (at least, he shouldn't) ever pass a working with children check or whatever each state has in place, but his teaching qualification is still relevant for being in adult training instead of the Cert IV in Training, or at TAFEs, adult vocational training, etc.
The qualification doesn't go away after his sentence, just his suitability for certain workplaces e.g. around kids
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u/Mindless-Ice-5815 1d ago
I’m sorry WHAT?? That should be immediate de-registration. He’s literally an offender. That’s loss of WWCC. Can’t be anywhere near kids again.
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u/lawless-cactus 2d ago edited 2d ago
As a teacher, I am so angry. Just a reminder that 1 in 6 Australian Men admitted to being attracted to minors.
Edited to add:
"In the anonymous survey, one in 20 men had sexual feelings towards children and admitted to offending, and they were more likely than other men to be married, earn higher incomes and work with children."
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u/Flymyarsetothemoon 2d ago
1 in 6 what the actual fuck!!
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u/OfficialUberZ 2d ago
Means that you will most likely have a close relative which is the 1 in 6.
I thought it was also a mind blowing and unbelievable stat but then I recalled the fact that my male cousin has had some allegations against him, he is unaware we know about them and has never bought them up on his own volition.
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u/Flymyarsetothemoon 2d ago
That’s cooked. But your statement does make me question certain “uncles” who are related by law not blood
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u/OfficialUberZ 2d ago
And the scary part is that some of these people are REALLY good at hiding this stuff, they may be the very last person you would expect.
My gay friend and his ex husband were together for over 10 years, since they came out in high school, they were planning on having a family and everything, his husband was a respected nurse and one day he came home and found photos of kids open on his laptop, and apparently it was girls and boys and terabytes eventually were found after police investigated, my friend was so betrayed and years later still has not been able to trust anyone because of it.
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u/PingusThyroidProblem 2d ago
1 in 6!? Fucking hell, I don't usually trust all studies depending on who does them, but those stats are....absolutely fucked.
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u/alotmorealots 2d ago
"In the anonymous survey, one in 20 men had sexual feelings towards children and admitted to offending, and they were more likely than other men to be married, earn higher incomes and work with children."
This seems like a really interesting study, especially given I live in Australia. Will have to make some time to sit down and read it through properly at some point.
Just from that article alone, rather than the source:
around one in 10 (9.4%) Australian men has sexually offended against children (including technologically facilitated and offline abuse), with approximately half (4.9%) of this group reporting sexual feelings towards children
That's half of offenders who did not report having sexual feelings towards children yet still offended. Even if there's a large component of denial/refusal to admit even under anonymity, that's still extremely significant.
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u/curious_astronauts 2d ago
And Thats just those that admitted it. I think its double that.
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u/alexlp 2d ago
Having been a teenage girl who developed early but still 100% looked like a little girl, I would say at least double. Teachers, family members, strangers all loved to sexualise me.
At 11, first year of middle school, I’d been followed home twice by strangers on the bus loudly describing all the disgusting things they think about me which no intervention from adults. Just got told “that will happen”.
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u/beebling_ 2d ago
Sorry this happened to you. Similar situations for me - being followed while walking and men talking about what they would do to me sexually, men following me while in school uniform… so gross.
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u/LCaissia 2d ago
Male students do this. Disgusting.
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u/guska 2d ago
Which is certainly bad enough, but to me, it's orders of magnitude worse for a teacher, who is in a position of power over students, and has the trust and duty of care that comes with the job, to do this shit. It's deplorable
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u/LCaissia 1d ago
Boys who do this grow into men who do this. This sort of deplorable behaviour is incredibly common in high schools by male students. Society has created this problem by failing to stop it. The students doing this now will be adults in positions of responsibility and power. These deviants won't stop their behaviour simply because they get older or enter a career.
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u/R00bot 2d ago
Teacher is also an adult. Having a fully developed brain and stuff. Kids are stupid.
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u/AshEliseB 2d ago
Please don't excuse boys doing this as "kids are stupid". You might as well say "boys will be boys".
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u/LCaissia 1d ago
Exactly. It's sexual harrassment and is no less traumatising when you're harassed by a 15 year old or a 35 year old.
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u/DarkNo7318 2d ago
Explaining =! excusing.
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u/AshEliseB 2d ago
Except they are not doing it because they are stupid. Boys are doing this maliciously. They know it's wrong. They are very much old enough to know.
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u/helicotremor 1d ago
Developers of software capable of this need to be held accountable too
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u/neonhex 2d ago
People keep acting surprised by these single pedophiles being caught but pedophilia has been culturally imbedded in Australia since forever (it’s everywhere in the world but cbf going that deep). My grandma (96) was married at 14 years old. Look at the legal ages for marriage in say the 40s and 50s. Why was it legal to marry a 12 year old girl child. For centuries men have wanted to have sexual and romantic relationships with children and until we culturally snuff this shit out for good in every small and big way we can’t be surprised. As long as older men are still ogling and chasing teenage girls like it’s completely normal we won’t be eradicating this. I just spent a week at the beach and every single day I was disgusted by watching men in their 40s, 50s and 60s brazenly perving on children in swimsuits. It’s not just the guys with the CP on their computers, it’s all this other stuff too. It’s all a brick in the same fucking wall. It’s insidious and people need to be realistic how normalised it is.
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u/lazydesi 2d ago
wth
this is causing serious issues with in the society. how they even think of it?
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u/marcelus96 2d ago
Its always the ones you most suspect
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u/leftmysoulthere74 1d ago
I’m having some issues with my partner of 6yrs, mainly his changing attitude as his teenage son has got older.
He’s falling down the rabbit hole of blaming girls and women for a lot of things and I won’t even go into details here (but includes girls being too picky and not being interested in dating his son and too many girls doing engineering might cost his son a place at university - hasn’t crossed his mind that his son might not be the genius he likes to think he is).
Anyway, something that has come up a few times is the lack of male teachers and apparently it’s because men are too scared to go into teaching in case they are accused of being inappropriate. Doesn’t cross his mind that it’s because of people like this guy (in the article) that we don’t trust men around our kids. It hasn’t come out of nowhere. We didn’t just wake up one day and decide to not trust men.
Yeah relationship is on its last legs. Have zero patience for his victim bullshit.
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u/PalpitationPublic237 2d ago
Is now a good time to remind people of the study of Australian men that found:
- around one in six (15.1%) Australian men reports sexual feelings towards children
- around one in 10 (9.4%) Australian men has sexually offended against children (including technologically facilitated and offline abuse), with approximately half (4.9%) of this group reporting sexual feelings towards children
- the 4.9% of men with sexual feelings who had offended against children were more likely than men with no sexual feelings or offending against children to:
- be married, working with children, earning higher incomes
- report anxiety, depression, and binge drinking behaviours
- have been sexually abused or had adverse experiences in childhood
- be active online, including on social media, encrypted apps and cryptocurrency
- consume pornography that involves violence or bestiality
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u/SomeFknEggs 2d ago
Accordingly, we used 18 as the age of consent for all sexual offences, although the age of consent for sexual activity is 16 in Australia. Therefore, some of what is noted as sexual contact with a child in our findings may be consensual activity (for instance, a 19 year old having sex with a 17 year old), which is a limitation of the survey.
MASSIVE flaw in the study here. They really needed to differentiate between a 40 year old having sexual feelings towards a 10 year old, vs a 19 year old with a 17 year old
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u/JudgmentOrdinary7336 2d ago
Australia has a pedophile problem. There are so many here. The worst pedophiles, even internationally, are Australian. Something is deeply wrong with our country’s morals.
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u/Madrigall 1d ago
I work in a role where I get to see a lot of AFP reports. The amount of paedophiles I see getting 12 months community orders, or 2 year suspended community orders is just insanely frustrating.
Why wouldn’t there be paedophiles when it’s so easy to get off with a slap.
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
I'm interested to read more about this. Have you got a source for these comments? Not disputing, genuinely curious.
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u/JudgmentOrdinary7336 2d ago
I used to teach in prisons. I’ve met many.
In 2024, a study revealed that at least 1 in 10 Australian men showed sexual attraction to children. In 2024, 58% of reported sexual crimes were perpetrated against children.
https://theconversation.com/a-survey-found-1-in-6-men-admit-sexual-feelings-for-children-so-is-paedophilia-increasing-218124
https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/shocking-number-australian-men-sexually-attracted-children-and-teens
https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/types-of-violence/child-sexual-abuse#policeWe have some of the world's worst pedophiles, including Peter Scully - the creator of Daisy's Destruction. Do not google, it is fucking atrocious. It is considered the worst, and is the "most sought", CSAM-murder material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scully
In March, 26 more men were charged with CSAM offences after a deep investigation. And of course there's the likes of Ashley Paul Griffith - he may name more people involved in his network.
https://www.afp.gov.au/news-centre/media-release/26-men-charged-1000-offences-after-major-covert-operation-targets
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-28/paedophile-ashley-paul-griffith-appeals-sentence/106731422Then of course, you have our legacy of child sexual assault in missions, orphanages & boy's homes through the churches and like administrators. I believe this is where our problem started.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Institutional_Responses_to_Child_Sexual_Abuse
The AFP seem to have really taken this seriously lately, which is wonderful. But we have so far to go.
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u/PalpitationPublic237 2d ago
Disturbing research into the extent of child sexual abuse has found almost one in six Australian men have sexual feelings towards children and teenagers, and almost one in 10 acknowledge having committed child sexual offences, despite few being caught.
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u/TheSmegger 2d ago
Do you have anything to back that up, or is it a feeling?
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u/PalpitationPublic237 2d ago
Disturbing research into the extent of child sexual abuse has found almost one in six Australian men have sexual feelings towards children and teenagers, and almost one in 10 acknowledge having committed child sexual offences, despite few being caught.
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u/GusPolinskiPolka 1d ago
100%. And we fail to acknowledge our tourism to the hot spots as well. That guy that killed the girl overseas recently - nobody was talking about why he was there in the first place. And who he was travelling with. It's all about the fact he killed someone.
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u/ScutumSobiescianum 2d ago
What the fuck is wrong with males? The domestic violence, the inappropriate behavior towards women?
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u/-Davo 2d ago
It is dominated by men, but isn't exclusively men. Just last month a female teacher was charged with child sex offenses.
So what the fuck is wrong with people?
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u/PangolinNo7928 2d ago
Don't worry everyone! The suspiciously unnamed AI tool was going to notify the authorities anyday now...
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u/Away-Concentrate-946 2d ago
AI hates us.
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u/a_cold_human 2d ago
It's a tool, and like any other tool that has the potential for harm, it should be regulated. We regulate driving as a person can harm a lot of people if they drive recklessly. We regulate the ownership and use of firearms. We regulate the use of heavy machinery. We regulate any number of things.
It's unhelpful to anthropomorphise AI. It's software. It does what it's programmed to do. It has no will of its own. People need to direct it.
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u/Watthefractal 2d ago
People need to delete it not direct it !!
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u/a_cold_human 2d ago
Like any tool, it does do some useful things, and in any case, the technology is now out of the bottle. Like it or not, tools tend not to disappear if they have some sort of application. Even if they have some awful drawbacks.
What we can and should do is set up guardrails to minimise harm to people and society, and there's always a debate as to who those rules constrain.
The people funding and profiting from this technology are lobbying hard to not be sued for what is the largest data theft in history, and to build whatever they like to power the plagiarism machine. What the rest of us need to do is lobby to ensure that the technology doesn't destroy human capital without compensation, to ensure that the technology doesn't create externalities with noise, power, and water, and doesn't eat the knowledge economy (as capital would love it to do).
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u/floorshitter69 1d ago
The AI part is psychotic in a way that I can't get my head around. There needs to be new laws written to specifically address this type of crime.
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u/0penedB00K 2d ago
This is why AI should’ve been stopped before it got to this point
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u/Farmboy76 1d ago
This low life would have done something else inappropriate regardless of ai.
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u/YouCanCallMeBazza 1d ago
Weird take. The internet also enables this and all sorts of other terrible crimes - so should we have stopped the internet from happening too?
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u/quick_dry 1d ago
well before AI people were photoshopping the clothes of people, and before photoshop (or GIMP) they were using scissors to splice photos, or drawing pictures.
The anti-AI position is predictable but daft IMO.
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u/pyschopanda 1d ago
Not all men but fuck why is it always a man?!
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u/quick_dry 1d ago
just 10 days ago a woman teacher was sentenced for sexual assault of schoolkid:
January this year a female teacher in WA gave birth to a kid whose father was one of her underage students
In March, a female teacher in Sydney was convicted for having sex with multiple minors, including two counts of using a carriage service to solicit or transmit child abuse material.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-04/tayla-lee-brailey-teacher-sexual-abuse-students/106148052
and that's just a sampler pack of more, with more in 2025, 2024, and so on
so don't worry, some women are challenging the glass ceiling and pushing for equal representation 🙄
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u/therapist66 1d ago
Always the usual suspects
Teachers and lawyers
Deport.. immigration is getting ridiculous with what we allow
Assimilate or leave
I’m I doing it right ?
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u/v4ss42 2d ago
What the actual fuck is wrong with some people???