r/btcc • • 5d ago

Question / Discussion BTCC 2027 - What do we know so far?

Sutton contracted to NAPA until the end of 2031 obviously.

Anything else?

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Think it ultimately all hinges on what happens to the Mercs and if someone takes on CPRL as a going concern or if an existing team takes them on.

Will be interesting to see what happens with various TBL allocations and how many cars teams choose to run.

One I'm intrigued by is Cammish. Does he go back to Alliance knowing Ash has a 5 year deal in his back pocket now or does he look to go elsewhere and be a No1?

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

Both Ash’s & Dan’s comments post race suggested they have a very good working relationship. Cammish may be second to Sutton, but depending on who Alliance bring in to replace Osbourne, they may be desperate to keep Dans experience.

Selby hasn’t really shown any great improvement throughout the year.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Oh I don't doubt the working relationship is excellent with Ash and Dan. I just think it's an interesting one to think about if Dan could go and be a No1 somewhere else.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

100%. I agree, as others have suggested. I believe Cammish could easily be No. 1 at any other team.

Whether he’d want to leave Alliance, or whether they’d want to let him leave is another thing.

Maybe if they replaced an outgoing seat with Proctor. Whilst I don’t think that would push Dan Cam out, but it may make that decision easier on both sides

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

I'd like to think there's the potential it's Proctor for Sam. Another Napa car around the top 10 would be useful for them too team wise.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

It makes most sense to me, having being around the alliance paddock all year.

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Ash Sutton 116 5d ago

I imagine the issue for Proctor will be around funding rather than talent, I'd imagine a drive with Alliance isn't a cheap one given the outfit they're running.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

He could remain as their driver coach in theory

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Most likely be Jamie, if he is fit for it. Seems to have got leaner since last year. As for Selby, he has said before he is there for 2 years, which I think he will be.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Would make sense

If not then hopefully Proctor

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Would like to see Proctor and Jamie. Plus I dont know what ATS is doing with his new sponsors. New team?, probably not, but I would like to see Napa have a customer team and more Focus'.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

I agree, after this year, the Focus would be a pretty attractive option for the Independent teams.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Would be great for a unlimited type team. They will def be back this year.🤣

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u/Accurate_Bathroom435 5d ago

Isn't Dan paid actually paid to drive for Alliance? Unlikely to get that anywhere else, even if he were a number 1.

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u/KamakaziDemiGod 5d ago

He's got it pretty good at Napa though, and the Focus is a great car he's very experienced in, I'm not sure I'd give that all up just to be the number 1 driver in the 5th best car or whatever, especially since it has been fairly close between Sutton and Cammish for several years and luck (or lack of) has really played in to it massively for Cammish

Plus if he did manage to beat Ash in the same car I think winning that championship would be that little bit sweeter

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago edited 5d ago

He doesn’t seem like to type for have No. 1 ego. I’d be more surprised to see Dan leave Napa. But stranger things have happened, I guess.

Edit: To further my point above, I’m not suggesting with ego/personality out of the equation it’s an easy decision of Cammish to make, I can’t see Cammish leaving, for all the reasons said above.

He seems settled, experienced in the car/team and is always up there fighting for podiums.

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

Dan’s “day job” is an Account Manager for NAPA so I can’t see him leaving the team while still working for them if that makes sense.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

I'd completely forgotten that oops 😅😅

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Oh, of course

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u/kjm911 5d ago

I don’t know if it’s a possibility but I’d like to see Cammish at WSR. We need an extra contender for Sutton and Ingram and we also need WSR to fight at the front again.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

If Hill comes back, does he drop straight back in at WSR now that Laser Tools has gone over to Toyota?

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Will Laser Tools want to stick with Flash and AT-S after this year?

You saw what happened at Brands

Also, AT-S has a new sponsor.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

Valid points, that makes things simple (in theory, to a reddit user😅) for Jake to come back..

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u/Tausif_1307 Matt neal #25 James Dorlin #132 5d ago

About time we see Dan Cam in an RWD touring car. Doubt WSR will keep that BMW for much longer, though

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

It has been said there may be a switch regarding WSR and what car they'll use in 2027.

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u/HimWillJam 5d ago

Think we’ll see the 3 series for at least one more year at WSR, before a new car appears.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

As long as the Corollas are pensioned off, I'm prepared for that.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

It would be nice to see Cammish be more than just a #2 driver for once.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

I agree, it’d be a shame for the series if we never got to experience him truly gunning for that top spot against the other two title contenders

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Especially after his near-miss in 2019

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u/everyopenaye 5d ago

Cammish has tended to go for the drives that pay - and I don't think there are many of those at present. I suspect he'll stick at NAPA

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Ash Sutton 116 5d ago

The problem with DanCam going anywhere is that it's all well and good being the No 1 driver, but it's meaningless if he's not in a decent car.

Vertu already have Tingram for the foreseeable.

CPRL might be a choice, but we don't know what's happening with them.

I do think his best bet is to stick at Napa where he's still competing at a pretty decent level.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Yeah it was just one I was thinking about , I expect with everything else behind the scenes with him that he'll sign for another couple of years but I just thought it was an interesting one to bring up.

CPRL ultimately hold the keys to the entire off-season with ultimately what happens to them.

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u/Lukeno94 5d ago

Cammish isn't going anywhere. His comments about Collard were far too pointed and his comments about Sutton far too strong for him to seem like he's got a departure in mind.

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u/jhenson5 5d ago

Aron Taylor Smith on a multi year deal with Tapybl as a sponsor, not known what car yet

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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 5d ago

Charles Rainford just fell to his knees

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Now just imagine them being team-mates next year!

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

I wouldn't rule that out. WSR need sponsorship from somewhere that's not Rainfords Cognition Land and Water deal and ATS brings a title sponsor.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Well, I suppose it could be possible, depending on where AT-S stands with Speedworks.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Oh yes, new sponsor for AT-S

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Seats going spare at NAPA and Excelr8 with the retirements of Osborne and Chilton.

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

I reckon Jamie Osbourne will replace Sam and one of Excerler8’s Mini drivers will replace Tom C.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Fingers crossed it will be Tom Ovenden

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u/Leighcol 5d ago

If it's anyone but, it would be a criminal injustice . Hopefully he and Max Edmundson can make the step up. That was such a dramatic final race

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Reminded me a bit of Brazil 2008, minus the hand-waving of course.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Fingers crossed Collard will be able to raise the funds for a full season.

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u/PenGlassMug 5d ago

Judging by the in car footage yesterday, it won't just be fingers crossed gestures Tom will be throwing about!!

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Reminded me of John Cleland back in the day....

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

Senna Procter might have a shot at replacing Sam as well.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

I’m not a betting man, and of course this is all speculation. But to me it makes sense that Proctor stays at alliance having spent the last year coaching Osbourne.

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

He was Teammates with Ash in the past as well so knows him well.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Yes, in the BMR Subaru in 2019.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

Definitely a strong contender. Only issue is he struggled with funding last year and could only manage half a series.

But, with the backing alliance have, and having proven they’re able to offer long term deals with Ash - do you require less of a budget at alliance, as long as you have the skills and ability to back it up?

I’m not sure what personal sponsors the NAPA drivers bring in

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

I suggested on here a while back Proctor should have taken Dorlin’s place at Restart but someone said why would he leave a paid role coaching Sam/being reserve driver at NAPA to then have to pay to drive at Restart. So I’m assuming he wouldn’t need as much budget, if any, to drive for NAPA.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

I feel last year Proctor, similar with Collard this year, showed plenty of ability to be in a slightly better team.

Whilst it could potentially be cheaper at Restart, Napa seem to run their team/budget differently to the rest of the field.

Clearly proctor valied the offer Alliance gave him more than trying to source his own budget.

He’s mentioned how keen he is to stay in the series following a year or so out a few years ago. So I was surprised to see him ‘settle’ for the coaching role at the beginning of 26. Clearly alliance/napa can attract talent, regardless of position

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u/Leighcol 5d ago

Hopefully he's over whatever illness caused him to step away this year. Would be the natural replacement for Sam

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u/Jescott71 5d ago

Its also not completely beyond the realms of possibility that Excelr8 will try to replace Chilton with Kawashima, providing he can show some signs of improvement in any testing. If they keep Collard, they'll likely need someone with money.

What does seem rather obvious is that clearly, none of the teams on the grid can afford to run four cars without two pay drivers.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Oh dear God, no!

(No offence Osamu)

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Maybe the teams should just be prepared to run less cars then.

I await the slings and arrows....

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Just noticed an interesting post on Vertus Facebook from last night saying

" Next season is going to look a little different"

Different cars???? Different colour scheme?

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u/FroMcvean #101 5d ago

Possibly a switch to the Elantra if it doesn't have to be a UKDM car like the Focus saloon?

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

A switch from the I30 wouldn't be a bad idea.

It's been racing since 2020.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

I wouldn't even guarantee it's a Hyundai as there's no backing from Hyundai corporate.

Could be any brand that Vertu have dealers with.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

A new manufacturer altogether maybe?

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

This is obviously with no knowledge of anything but I wonder if we'll see one of the many Chinese brands on the grid? BYD and MG will have suitable cars under the new rules.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Be great to have MG back

But a new manufacturer is always welcome

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Intriguing...

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Will they keep Tingram, dont know where he goes but I always felt Chilton took most of the budget to the team and helped Tingram. But I would like to see him stay and have cook as a partner. But he might be to good a driver as a partner.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

At least it would get Cook out of that Toyota. His talent is going to waste the longer he stays in the Corolla.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Would love to see Toyota a dif car, or do a Napa with Focus

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Me too

They can't keep running that Corolla forever

There must be some suitable Toyota models from outside the UK they could use.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Unfortunately they have to do what Toyota say to keep there money

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Of course....

Well, surely Toyota can see the Corolla is past it's best in the BTCC and a newer model is in order....

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

All Toyota see is what is best for selling more cars, and if they're happy, they wont change a thing.

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u/everyopenaye 5d ago

I don't think there is Toyota works backing anymore or if there is, it's far less substantial. Thus the disappearance of TGR as a name and just "Corolla Racing".

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 4d ago

I believe there isn't as much support, if any, and that's why 2 of the cars ran as Independents this year.

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u/Celica44 5d ago edited 5d ago

I’m imagining the new shape Prius as a BTCC car. I know it’s more of a fastback but it’s got a long wheelbase very aero looking shape

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

The Prius?

Well, it would mean another new car on the grid, and Speedworks could do with a newer model.

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u/Celica44 5d ago

I’m no aerodynamicist but the shape of the new Prius looks really slippery and the longer wheelbase (like the Merc) seems to be the way the series is going.

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u/Additional_Hand_2288 5d ago edited 4d ago

Surely Tom has some good sponsors, heard him mention once that they give him race win bonuses

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

In a series that doesn't offer prize money, such bonuses can only be a good thing.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

But his that sponsors for him just or both him and the team

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u/Competitive-Arm-9894 5d ago

Kawashima to sign a contract for the full season at NAPA.

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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 5d ago edited 5d ago

Trouncing Ash into early retirement

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u/everyopenaye 5d ago

Not convinced WSR will change car unless there's new manufacturer backing or a substantial sponsorship deal. It would appear they've run on a lean budget all year. Which makes what DDL and Rainford have achieved all the more impressive.

I do wonder what a post Dick Bennetts WSR might look like. The man is around 80 if memory serves.

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u/Grumpy-so-and-so 4d ago

WSR as a team have worked so hard for two years, DeLeon and Rainford have pulled results where there really were non. TOCA seem to have kept the car's down on power since BMW left, so it's not likely they will keep drivers or win again unless they get equal power.

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u/OJN-TinyBean 1d ago

All 3 drivers are gone for 2027

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u/Proper-Tumbleweed793 3d ago

Un-Limited planning a return next year, I just can't see it myself as they'd need new cars. The Cupras have never been great but were well off the pace last year.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 3d ago

Really?

Well, hopefully they will have new cars.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 1d ago

Well, we now know Excelr8 has a seat filled with 16yo Noah Young signed up.

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u/FroMcvean #101 5d ago

Not that anyone asked, but:

Been thinking for a while WSR might end up switching hands, maybe even with Colin Turkington as team principle? Maybe a switch from BMW too as the cars are a bit long in the tooth now.

With Swindon and the Hyundais no longer contracted together, Restart to take on the Mercs and Rowbottom?

Excelr8 to switch to a new car, possibly Hyundai Elantra given the regs allow non-UKDM cars. Or will they be the first to switch to a crossover style bodyshape?

Reckon Patterson has put himself in the window for a drive further up the grid (no disrespect to PMR) Hope to Doble and Moffat stay there they are

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

It has been said WSR may ditch the Beemers.

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u/_theflyingbanana_ 5d ago

Unfortunately the rules are set up to be so anti-RWD these days...

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

All the more reason to move on from the Beemers if WSR can help it.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Cant see Ricky Collard back now. Probably now thinks the championship is against him and his dad again, as for Xlr8, I think if hes willing to pay and they try and give him time in the car, they might try Kaw again. It wouldnt be a wise choice but money talks.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

If the price is right, hopefully they'll be able to promote Ovenden.

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

I missed the conversation as I had my one year old crawling all over me, but when Louise was interviewing Jake Hill before race 3(?) she said something at the end like ‘hope you get the drive next year’ or something a long those lines. Is he targeting a return?

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Aww....

Sounded like he was.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

I would love to see Jake come back next year. I don’t really mind who with, as long as he’s in a competitive car.

Collard hopefully stays in the series

Proctor manages to find enough budget for an available seat

Cookie seemed to go okay in the Toyota, but we’ll see.

I genuinely hope for better liveries next year. Most of them were a bit drab. It doesn’t have to be anything crazy, just more so than sponsors slapped on the side of a white/black car.

Will alliance keep the ford?

Is Plato planning a come back of sorts?

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

It was suggested WSR may switch to Volvo at one point.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

WSR with new cars is something I'd love to see. I think the Beemer is coming to the end of what they can get out of it as a platform and with no works backing anymore and RWD kind of negated I do wonder if they could look elsewhere.

Of course I realise a brand new 3 car lineup would be expensive and they'd need a bit of manufacturer backing to make it happen but I think it would spice things up a bit.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Speaking of old cars, how much longer are Speedworks going to persist with the Corollas?

They've been around as long as the Beemers.

Toyota must have some decent models not sold in the UK knocking about.

That's allowed next year as long as the manufacturer involved has a presence in the UK I believe...

...hence why NAPA were able to run the new Focus this year...

...correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Yup I think the Corolla has to be one to be considered to be past it's best too. Then again I don't think anyone but Tingram and Spencer Aldridge have got the best out of it as a package anyway.

Indeed they could run any Toyota model they want now, but I suspect Toyota UK like having the UK built Corolla on the grid.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Well, they've got to be prepared to move on from the Corolla eventually.

Cook's talent is going to waste the longer he drives that car.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

I like to think Cookie would be up there with Sutton and Ingram or closer to them at least with a different car.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

They can't continue with the current Beemer much longer.

Surely not

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u/SpiritedAd1896 5d ago

Ah man, the S40 was my fave touring car ever, I’d love to see Volvo back.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

Me too

They were my favourite team during the Supertouring era

I was bitterly disappointed nothing came of the comeback rumours in 2009/10.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

I like to think Plato is planning a comeback and it's not just hyperbole on his part.

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u/mlo_66 5d ago

A Plato comeback next year with a different partner back in the Purple would hit different

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Speaking of partners, how many more bridges can Rowbo burn before he ends up destroying his BTCC career?

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Genuinely if the CPRL cars don't stay as a team I wonder what the future is for him. I get that any driver that comes with a big cheque and a sponsor ready to go is going to be attractive to anyone in the paddock but it does feel like Rowbo is hard work to actually work with.

Eg I couldn't see him at Excler8 in one of the vacant seats there , I just don't think the personality fit is there.

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

After what happened at NAPA and Plato's team, Rowbo is running out of bridges to burn.

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u/1995pt #24 Hill #27 Cammish #11 Collard 5d ago

I hadn’t realised Cattaclean weren’t pushing on with the team themselves?

I can’t really stand Rowbo. I also can’t see him at somewhere like Excelr8. He’s got the ego of No.1 driver, and whilst not a bad driver, he’s not up there with the best of the series.

The current CPRL outfit suits him - if they can guarantee some backing

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

Cataclean had guaranteed funding until the end of the season to keep it going but not beyond that I believe.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Plus, if they did and rehired Collard, there would be fireworks!

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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 5d ago

How many rounds until those 2 fell out. The personality clash would be ridiculous.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

It would make Prost vs Senna look tame....

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u/Top-Cunt 5d ago

Hopefully not many more, I always thought he came across as arrogant but the Plato drama has really lowered my opinion of him.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

If that team has a 3rd car, I hope they can run it next year.

Hope they can retain Morgan. This must have been his best season ever.

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u/Top-Cunt 5d ago

Yeah I hope for Morgan's sake he can stay as he seems really at home in that car, with a full season under the team's belt he could be a real force next season.

Who would you put in a hypothetical third seat? I think Cammish would be quite spicy in that car.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Dare I say Collard if he can't afford to stay at Excelr8

Though if Rowbo stayed, well I wouldn't go there if I could help it.

Proctor, if NAPA doesn't work out.

Dan Lloyd maybe.

A Mini graduate perhaps.

Or even James Dorlin

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u/Barky500 4d ago

Just so he can purposely crash into the mercs

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 4d ago

I meant in team management

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Did Platos post on x, refer to him maybe able to slip in and get the team back from the administrators

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Who knows?

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

It was a strange post.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

I guess Plato won't let his team go that easily

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

As long as someone keeps the team going

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

Here's hoping

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u/Proper-Tumbleweed793 3d ago

It's not his team.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 3d ago

Well, it was.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Is there 4 def staying (Sutton 5 year deal, ATS 3 year deal, Hamilton last year of 2 year deal and Halstead last year of 1 1/2 year deal) and 2 leaving (Chilton and Osborne). Rainford pretty much said he was staying with WSR in his interview with Addison. Am I missing anyone?

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u/Grumpy-so-and-so 4d ago

Rainford is not confirmed with BMW but it should be interesting if Taylor Smith heads over there. DeLeon needs a better car then WSR have had for the last 2 years so if WSR don't get more power he can't stay. It will be interesting to see how he gets on in the BMW GT3 this weekend at Portamao.

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u/Mccrilly13 5d ago

Also Selby said he had a 2 year deal which he would have 1 year left

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u/UnintendedBiz 5d ago

Think likely to see more teams switch cars - both a Toyotas and Beemers will need to be replaced soon. Napa showed the benefits of FWD saloon.

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u/Brief-Poetry6434 5d ago

The Beemers and Corollas definitely need to go.

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u/drew_3056 5d ago

Dan Cammish to sign for Team Vertu

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

So he can be a #2 in a different team?

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u/drew_3056 5d ago

I didn't think of it like that, but now you kention it. I would like to retract my comment 🤣

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u/Illustrious-Cow-6733 5d ago

I'd like to see Cookie at Vertu, anything just to avoid wasting his talent at Speedworks

Alternatively, Speedworks get the opportunity to ditch the Corolla for a newer car.