r/canada • u/canada_mountains • 10h ago
Politics Carney says he expects nations, including U.S., to stay out of Alberta vote
https://globalnews.ca/news/12103641/mark-carney-alberta-referendum-foreign-interference/•
u/jimababwe 10h ago
Too late
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u/pqratusa 9h ago
Why don’t they haul Hoekstra in and give him a good “diplomatic” dressing down for all the things his boss is saying about Canada?
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u/Sprinqqueen Ontario 8h ago
Tbf it would infuriate him and the administration more if they just looked at him when he was speaking and said something like "That's nice dear. Now go back to eating your jello".
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u/TheBigBruce Ontario 2h ago
I think the overarching plan is "Wait for the midterms before applying pressure". Right now, with the house and senate controlled by the republicans, it would be satisfying, but wouldn't necessarily accomplish anything.
While this is going on, there are other things happening involving the US, so keeping tensions as low as possible until midterms is likely the play.
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u/notsocharmingprince 7h ago
I feel like a lot of people are freaking out about the referendum. It’s got something like 20% support. Canadians like being Canadian. It’s a nice place to be.
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u/leekee_bum 6h ago
The point is that the 20% that does support it is highly mobilized and will likely vote whereas the side that wants to remain in canada may suffer from voter apathy, increasing the chance of shit hitting the fan essentially.
Go out and vote
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u/Hefty-Cricket412 1h ago
The early-voting lines have been huge! They’re expecting a larger turnout than some provincial elections. Most of us are fed up hearing the separatists be so loud. Because yeah, we are Canadian first always. Every single person I know that can vote has, and has also been making sure their people get out too
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u/Bigrick1550 3h ago
It was a nice place to be.
It's still better than a lot of other places, but it used to be better.
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u/zabby39103 6h ago
Screw it, just start by banning the US social media companies. If they banned Reddit we would all go somewhere else.
I don't think these companies have a right to continuously have bots straight up shoving Russian and alt-right American propaganda down our throats all day, every fuckin day.
They could stop it if they wanted to, I'm a software dev, they could definitely do it. They want the traffic, they want the money and they don't want the expense of figuring it out. They could do statistical analysis to find outliers, and they could track what IPs come from VPNs instead of known IPs associated with Canadian ISPs. Most VPNs don't work with Netflix anymore (and if they do it's spotty), of course they could figure this stuff out if they wanted to, but media companies have more power than governments apparently.
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u/Replicator666 23m ago
Oh good, nice to see them dealing with it... With a strongly worded statement
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u/rastamasta45 8h ago
We literally have compromised MP’s and foreign operatives in Canada which the LPC shutdown the investigation and refuse to give the list of which MP’s are compromised…..
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u/zabby39103 6h ago
We absolutely did not shut down that investigation, it finished. Anyway, PP could know all about it if he just got his security clearance, yet he refuses to do so.
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u/starving_carnivore 5h ago
Has anyone with the clearance said anything about who was involved?
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u/zabby39103 4h ago
The investigation ended with no evidence that anyone acted in bad faith. Given that nobody was found guilty, and it's "problematic relationships and poor judgement" not out-and-out spying, it's appropriate. You can't name names and divulge classified info, that's illegal. If you had enough evidence to bring them to trial then we could know who they were but otherwise we can't.
PP could know who in his own party was targeted - it is confirmed that Conservatives are on the list - and take appropriate action to make sure it doesn't happen again, anyone who has security clearance could find out, but he refuses to get that clearance.
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u/MrRationalYYC 7h ago
I agree and the rest of Canada should also stay out of the Alberta vote.
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u/Brodney_Alebrand British Columbia 5h ago
Alberta is a province within Canada. All Canadians have the right to have an opinion about the referendum.
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u/tankthinks 2h ago
Last time I checked Alberta is a part of Canada, your vote impacts every Canadian . Yes we should have a say in this
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u/bouchecl Québec 6h ago
I agree and the rest of Canada should also stay out of the Alberta vote.
As a Quebecer, I fully agree with this comment.
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u/givetake 4h ago
T'a tort. Ça ne se passe pas en vase clos. Ça concerne tous les Canadiens.
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u/bouchecl Québec 3h ago
Ce n'est pas au Québec d'imposer sa volonté et ses priorités à l'Alberta et vice-versa.
Je retiendrai toujours cette citation de Robert Bourassa: «Le Québec est aujourd’hui et pour toujours une société distincte, libre et capable d’assumer son destin et son développement».
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u/MrRationalYYC 1h ago
Agree or not. Everyone else is able to say on topic. What does that say about you?
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u/Dice_to_see_you 9h ago
Ideally India and China would stay out of Canada's vote but the liberals haven't been quick to dissuade that in the past
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u/Lurkebot 8h ago
Exactly. I’m way more concerned about interference from those countries than the US. Of all three, the US is by far the most culturally similar to Canada.
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u/t-earlgrey-hot 8h ago
They're also the only one trying to annex us so the stakes are a bit different...
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u/primitives403 7h ago
India assasinated a canadian citizen on canadian soil, and has gang members saying they will rule canada.
China has police stations on our soil, owns MPs, and has spies entrenched in canadian departments like the one caught at NATO after having multiple previous positions in the Canadian government.
Theyre also trying to take us over, theyre just not saying it as boisterously.
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u/zabby39103 6h ago
The US has a stated goal of de-industrializing Canada, and they're making great progress on that with the car industry in Ontario.
The US wanted "first rights" over our resources in exchange for a trade deal where we would still be treated unequally. The US is the biggest threat.
India and China's actions are bullshit, but mostly constrained to the actions of their citizens on our soil.
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u/primitives403 5h ago
The US wanted "first rights" over our resources in exchange for a trade deal where we would still be treated unequally. The US is the biggest threat.
So like a normal supply agreement? You agree to supply us with x amount of y before selling to other countries? Sounds pretty fair. basically saying put your production where your mouth is before making claims and promises. If its unreasonable amount of our production thats fair, but they won't disclose the details and carney didnt claim that was the problem.
Its just like how losing the ability to be a backdoor for Chinese steel into the usa as part of the deal isnt a sovereignty issue even though carney implies it is with his "prevent trade deals with other countries" rhetoric
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u/zabby39103 4h ago
No, ceding sovereignty over natural resource is in no way normal. Not being allowed to sell to other countries without the OK from the US is not normal.
Chinese steel accounts for 8.1 per cent of Canada’s total steel imports. Completely false. People online go on and on about China while the US makes deals with China.
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u/t-earlgrey-hot 3h ago
None of that is acceptable but it doesn't compare to what the US is doing. Its not even on the same scale. The US' actions have already impacted the entire country negatively and could result in their complete ownership of canada, its decision making, taking our wealth and natural resources.
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u/Salt_Act1404 6h ago
Carney and the Liberals are influencing more 'yes' votes than any US influence ever could.
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u/Street_Chip9323 6h ago
How?
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u/Salt_Act1404 5h ago
People will be voting to seperate due to the ineptitude of the Liberal party and their leadership. Not because US entities provided the separatist movement with funding.
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u/cryptonewsguy 2h ago
So since Canada has been planning on increasing immigration again, and specifically the above-average pay new immigration rules, I went from not caring to definitely voting on Monday for the referendum. I'm not confident that a separate Alberta would be better, but I think we need to put way more pressure on the government to prevent this.
I was born and raised in this country, but I came from an unstable home and had to drop out of high school, leave home, and somehow scrape by for years with awful prospects. Made a ton of sacrifices, stayed out of trouble, and saved as much as I could to afford whatever education I could get, eventually landing work in tech because it interested me and seemed like a promising career. Real bootstraps type stuff.
I'm 31 now, but I was finally graduating right when COVID hit and have struggled to maintain steady work in tech in spite of trying, due to the increase in competition from a big wave of new grads, AI, and immigration.
Luckily I do have a fixed-term contract for tech work at the moment, but I'll be laid off in a few months and between AI and having to now compete with what feels like the entire planet, I am deeply concerned.
I also work 7 days a week and have kept a part-time job because a lot of the tech work I can find is fixed-term contracts, mostly for non-Canadian companies btw, because Canadian companies don't seem very interested in hiring me for whatever reason. I was previously just working the "low skill/pay" part-time job for nearly a year between the tech jobs and nearly became homeless and pretty much burned through all my savings until I found my current tech gig. I applied to hundreds of tech jobs in that time and couldn't land anything for almost a year.
My life is pretty joyless these days because I either don't have time or money to do anything other than work. I don't think I'll realistically be able to afford a family or a home in my lifetime. Hell, even a car seems like some alien luxury. I can only afford a to rent a shitty half-sized bachelor in the slums of my city and even that is hard to swing, because I just genuinely can't rely on having decent income in the next 6-12 months, and with the speed of AI advances might not have any more oppurtunity for steady work in tech at all, even though I'm keeping up with all the latest tools and practices so I'm not just some anti-AI guy or luddite that's refusing to adapt, I'm doing nothing but adapting to the current state.
Honestly I would settle for a $50-60k job in tech if it meant the work was more steady and with benefits etc, so it's not like I'm asking for ridiculous pay or anything. But now I have to compete for those positions with the entire planet it seems, people who have strong incentives to undercut the pay of those already in the country since it's not just a job, but also an immigration opportunity for them.
Meanwhile the government waxes and wanes about labour shortages. But even at my part-time job where I can sometimes pick up extra shifts, I am directly competing with various forms of immigrants for those shifts. People born outside the country are about 80% of the staff.
Affordability is still terrible and I honestly haven't been able to move my life forward much since becoming legally adult over a decade ago. Things remain stagnant even with maximum effort in self-bootstrapping, and if you don't do that then you're just sliding back.
I'm not sure a separate Alberta would be a whole lot better, but it seems the current system is broken when it comes to upward mobility and I'm not going to have much prosperity or be able to afford to do anything with my life other than watch Netflix over dinner.
I'm so tired of people telling me that I don't work hard enough, or that I just need to completely switch careers and go into massive debt to get another degree or trades cert when it seems most of the economy is facing these issues with employment and pay. I remember facing a lot of judgement and criticism for being a drop out when I was younger, as if it was something I chose cause I was lazy or stupid, and extreme pressure to get my education completed by society, now that I've done that the goal posts have shifted and now I need 2-3 degrees + have personal relationships with the hiring managers at whatever job applying too which have a 50/50 shot at being automated in the next 24 months anyway.
A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. And if he doesn't do that then he'll grow up to vote YES for the separation referendum.
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u/primitives403 9h ago edited 9h ago
Has carney commented on his own MP door knocking and campaigning for an american politcal party in Florida yet...?
“Our expectation is, to be absolutely clear, on foreign governments, United States included, is we don’t get ourselves involved in their elections, they don’t get themselves in our elections,” Carney said.
LOL. Guess its just another example of Carney telling people to do as he says not as he does. If he wont acknowledge it and reprimand Anthony Housefather his words are hollow.
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u/IcyMaybe7594 6h ago
Then why are you advocating for increased immigration when we shed 100k jobs the last two months? Does he think people will like that policy or it will help them get a job?
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u/allgonetoshit Canada 10h ago
This is the diplomatic yet very public way of saying “we know what you are doing”.