r/canada • u/YouProfessional3196 • 3h ago
Politics Majorities in Calgary, Edmonton back voter ID and immigration measures on referendum ballot: poll
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2026/10/16/majorities-in-calgary-edmonton-back-voter-id-and-immigration-measures-on-referendum-ballot-poll/•
u/Ok_Cry7572 2h ago edited 2h ago
Here are approaches some people propose to fix immigration and jobs;
Close the loopholes: cap the share of any employer's workforce that can be temporary
Employer levies instead of caps: charge a fee per foreign worker that rises when local youth unemployment is high (Singapore uses a version of this). It removes the cost advantage of hiring temporary workers and lets employers decide whether they really need them
First-job payroll tax relief: cut employer payroll costs for hiring under-20s if they're Canadian born
Job guarantee or transitional jobs for Canadian adults: public or subsidized work placements for anyone out of work beyond a set time
Invest in Canadian born teens and young adults directly: wage subsidies, paid apprenticeships, co-ops, and first-job programs
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u/Candid_Elk_3176 3h ago
Immigration gonna be a massive issue for Canada. Still no homes, health care, or day cares, and yet they want to bring more in? I’d like to know why, beyond ensuring loblaws sees massive profits
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u/RicoLoveless 2h ago
The fact that political parties allow non citizens to be a member is a big enough problem. Why are we allowing non-citizens to determine who is leading a party?
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u/I_Am_the_Slobster Alberta 1h ago
AFAIK, at least federally, the Conservatives (idk about the Bloc) are the only party that require members to be citizens or a PR. The others have no restrictions on who can be members. Which, frankly, yeah, that's a bit of an issue.
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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 40m ago
I always found it crazy that people who are not allowed to vote in our elections are allowed to vote to determine who runs in those elections. Its just begging for foreign interference.
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u/WHATAREWEYELINGABOUT 32m ago
The federal liberals require citizenship or PR in order to vote in the party. You’re absolutely incorrect.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10952195/liberal-leadership-race-rules/
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u/251325132000 2h ago
Things are at a breaking point. The new policies announced by the Immigration Minister are yet another slap in the face to the Canadian worker. They have shown time and time again that they have no respect for the common citizen and would rather replace them.
All this fundamental alteration of our society for higher corporate profits and to drive down wages - and because lazy politicians decided it’s easier to ship in millions of outsiders with no connection to the country instead of investing in our youth.
One can’t help but feel disgusted with everything that has been going on. Alberta should take more control of its immigration, because Ottawa only makes things worse.
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u/KeyRepair4 2h ago
Stop voting for liberals until they get the message. So far, Canadians have taught them that no matter how much damage they do for a decade, it'll all be forgiven if there is an orange man. And there still is an orange man. Why would they think they can't do whatever they want?
This sub CHEERED people crossing the isltle to give them a majority. They are now invulnerable and so feel they can do this. They need to LOSE to be reminded they are not.
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u/CapitalRacket 8m ago
Unfortunately, we don't currently have a party that will fix this. Conservatives aren't pro worker, and are just as guilty for glad-handing corporate for whatever they need, and the NDP, while far more worker-focused, want immigration for the sake of playing hero.
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u/jbroni93 2h ago
How can a province prevent someone from moving after being allowed in? Genuine question, does Quebec for example block healthcare for these people?
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u/Miserable-Ad3207 2h ago edited 54m ago
Because the productivity of our country is so low. They are trying to falsely prop it up with immigration. Our GDP has been stagnant for a decade. Our inflated housing market has propped up our GDP numbers for over a decade. When housing prices are false inflated due to supply restrictions that could have be alleviated, people start to use this false equity in their home to stimulate the economy, but it’s based on nothing. Restriction of supply of new homes was and still is intentional. Look how many new housing starts Canada has had in the last 18 months since Carney became Prime Minister. Nothing has changed. Still running on the same program.
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 1h ago
Productivity is low because we love to live at the bottom of the value chain.
Overreliance on being capital intensive dirt merchants is generally a big drag on that.
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u/whitenet 27m ago
Just a complete lack of knowledge on how our economy works. Dear user, correlation is not causation. Stop making things up please.
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u/viva1992 3h ago edited 2h ago
Because time and time again at the polls, Canadians keep on voting for the party that’s been the cause of this
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u/SameAfternoon5599 2h ago
There isn't a single TFW/immigrant/foreign student in Canada that wasn't requested and approved at the provincial government level before the feds approved them.
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u/whitenet 28m ago
Its just ignorance. People crying and moaning on matters they have 0 knowledge on. Nothing you can do or say will make them open their minds and be aware of how things work.
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u/Gramage 2h ago
Conservative premiers are literally asking for more immigrants, but sure keep framing this as a single party issue.
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u/viva1992 2h ago
I’m not talking about the provincial parties
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u/whitenet 29m ago
So you want us to vote for Pierre and cause another Canadian freedom truck rally?
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u/viva1992 26m ago
All I’m saying is Canadians keep on voting for the party that wants this - if a truck rally is a bigger concern for you than access to housing, health care, day cares, etc then by all means continue the trend
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u/whitenet 12m ago
Facism is a bigger concern for me yes. As is racism, xenophobia and other forms of hate stemming from ignorance. And is USA interference and treason. You want economic growth, without workers. Back calculate how many jobs are needed to meet 1 trillion economic growth over next 10 years and you'll get worker count. Grow with people, its an issue, don't grow, its an issue. Either ways, housing isn't solved by stopping immigration. Correlation isn't causation.
Should housing, health care, low wages, productivity, canadians being employed be solved? Yes absolutely. It is solved by stopping immigration that conservatives put in place or voting liberal? This is where I would say democracy only works when education is a pre condition. And albertas and others need a lot of education and reading to do to understand how economic policy making and so on works.
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u/flyby196999 2h ago
So a majority Canadians are on the right side of the issues.
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u/nyrangerfan1 3h ago
My doctors have been from Belfast, Egypt, and India. My nurses have been from the Philippines and South Asia.
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u/brettaburger 2h ago
That's great but it's the same thing for the low-skill, entry-level jobs that Canadian born teenagers are currently having great trouble getting into.
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u/RequirementNo2161 2h ago
My Tim Hortons cashier was from India, my pizza pizza cashier was from India, my uber driver was from India, my grocery stocker is from India, my convenience store is from india, my security guard is from India, my truck driver is from india
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u/nyrangerfan1 2h ago
So which one of those jobs are you clamoring to take?
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u/GameDoesntStop 2h ago
Several of my young adult friends and family would enjoy less competition for these jobs.
Not only for getting a job in the first place, but for decent wages. Having a glut of imported foreign labour just drives wages down to the minimum.
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u/nyrangerfan1 2h ago
That's fair. But I do think part of the story there is not just immigration, it's the fact that the amount of those entry level jobs have decreased. However, this report seems to be indicating that between the labour market rebalancing and between immigration coming down (meaning - the government has in fact responded to the issue), we should see the trend return to the norm.
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u/chofter 2h ago
What % of the 4 million PRs since 2015 are doctors and nurses do you think?
And how many doctors and nurses are needed for that additional 4 million?
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u/chofter 24m ago
Notice that he won’t respond to this comment
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u/nyrangerfan1 4m ago
Fair question, but I don't think the number of doctors alone is the right measure of immigration's contribution to Canada.
And doctors are only one occupation. Immigrants also work as nurses, pharmacists, engineers, construction workers, researchers, technicians, caregivers and in countless other jobs. They pay income and consumption taxes, start businesses, buy goods and services, and help support public services.
I'm not arguing that Canada's immigration system has been managed perfectly. But to establish that immigration has been a net negative, you'd need to weigh the costs against the benefits: employment and earnings, taxes paid, public services used, productivity, business creation and long-term demographic effects.
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u/Fanghur1123 3h ago
Why is that a problem?
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u/nyrangerfan1 2h ago edited 2h ago
It's not and that's the point. They want to shut off immigration because they don't have access to healthcare, yet, almost every healthcare provider for me has been an immigrant.
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u/OrionTO 2h ago
Why aren’t we training our own? We have our own medical schools. It’s not necessarily a good thing for these countries that they have a brain drain of medical staff.
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u/thealtrightiscancer 2h ago
Canada lost all of its doctors to the USA. So we had to import professionals from other countries’ own brain drain.
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u/---123---89--- 2h ago
I wouldn’t say it’s a problem, but I think it should be surprising that this persons interactions in the healthcare system is 100% first generation Canadians.
Statistically that seems odd, and would be worth investigating the issues with the domestic pipeline to healthcare careers.
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u/Clear_Problem9590 2h ago
Our entire society is based on an ever increasing population.
People in this country aren't having children so the only option is to bring more people in to increase GDP.
If we had more programs and better incentives for Canadians to have more children, we wouldn't have to import as many people.
It's not rocket science.
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u/inmontibus-adflumen 2h ago
If it was easier to afford having children, more people would. As it stands, too many young adults are hella struggling just to skate by.
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u/Diligent-Neck6594 1h ago
you'd think so but it doesn't actually work that way
poor people actually have more kids than rich people lmao
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u/Hautamaki 56m ago
That's an incidental result of access to contraception and education for women. You give women access to education and contraception and birth rates crater immediately. It just so happens that poorer societies are ones without access to contraception and education for women, but when they get it, their birth rate collapses too. See Latin American trends over the last decade for example. When women have access to contraception and education, then you need very high income levels for the birthrate to get up to replacement rate, and it tends not to get much higher than replacement rate at any income level.
IMO there are only 2 known ways to get birth rates up. One is go back to medieval culture of turning women into chattel baby factories. The other is to provide a child benefit subsidy equivalent to a full time working income so that it's a viable economic choice to have children and not have to sacrifice a full time working income to do so.
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u/Candid_Elk_3176 2h ago
You’d probably sway more people to your opinion if you dropped the last sentence FYI
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u/IpsoPostFacto 1h ago
well, nobody has it figured out I guess. These are g20 countries fertility rates. 2.1 is replacement level.
South Korea < 1 China, Italy, Japan, Canada, Germany, Russia 1-1.4 Argentina, Australia, France, Brazil, UK, US, Turkey, Mexico 1.5-1.9 India, Indonesia, South Africa, Saudi Arabia 2.0 - 2.3.
More programs and incentives - sure, I suppose, but those are exactly the things where people are all "muh taxes!"
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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 38m ago
Right so lets bring in 20 million a year. Im sure everything will work out just fine.
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u/whitenet 37m ago
Not to mention but the economic growth figures set by government, when you reverse engineer how many jobs are needed to meet the 1 trillion growth over next 10 years, and then when you reverse engineer from the jobs needed to how many people are there to do the jobs, you will quickly see we don't even have half the people to do the job.
So Canadians want economic growth, to wean off USA, but don't have people to do the jobs that are needed to achieve targeted growth. Don't grow, its an issue, grow, its an issue. Don't invite immigrants, its an issue, invite, its an issue.
Seems to be that people are just lost in their feelings instead of reading up on policy making, economics etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Canadians not having homes, health care, higher salaries or jobs isn't an issue. It is. Its solution isn't stopping immigration though. And yes this government should do a better job explaining why immigration, and also better job ensuring Canadians get jobs.
You should see how most Albertan's in Calgary and Edmonton are deeply unaware and just voting on "feelings". No one wants to do things to solve the housing crisis - starting with creating economic growth, but everyone wants to cry and complain and hate on immigrants and call for a stop of immigration.
Do it then. Freeze immigration and see what happens.
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u/Diligent-Neck6594 1h ago
You can't fix a cultural issue like our birthrates by throwing money at it. Wealthy people in Canada still don't have many children either
Fact is, people would rather just have their own lives than commit to having kids
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u/ModOfficial1988 1h ago
It’s not about wealthy people. It’s about middle class people. My wife and I would have had more kids but we just couldn’t afford it.
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u/Diligent-Neck6594 1h ago
Statistically the more poor you are, the more children you have so it really can't be solved this way even if you personally want more kids
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u/CapitalRacket 12m ago
That's a convenient stat, sure, but why is that the case?
Non-poor people think a lot more about the impact of kids on their ability to comfortably survive, and they also seem to be more mindful of the life they're providing for those children, as well
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u/Rocky-Jockey 1h ago
Any nation that’s tried to pay people to have kids has had very little success. At best it just pushes people who already wanted them to do it earlier.
It’s cultural, not entirely economic. Family planning is essentially solved and even those that want kids have far less than previous generations.
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u/SameAfternoon5599 2h ago
Because each and every provincial government is requesting and approving every single TFW, immigrant and student prior to the feds giving approval.
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Ontario 2h ago edited 2h ago
Still no homes
You mean houses are not being built because no one is buying whatever stock is currently available
health care
Provincial issue that is fixed by electing pro healthcare funding governments
day cares
Another provincial issue that is fixed by provinces stepping in and helping increase the number of $10 spots
If we going to relay on the feds to do everything than we might as well dissolve provincial governments
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u/geeses_and_mieces Lest We Forget 2h ago
Homes, Healthcare, and Day Care are all driven by supply and demand. Importing millions of low-skill, low-income people who are net detractors from our tax system does nothing but drive up demand while reducing our GDP per capita, resulting in lower quality and lower access to socialized services.
Alberta is attempting to do the only thing it can to balance supply and demand, and that is to gain control of immigration.
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u/MrFenrirulfr 2h ago
Your second paragraph is nonsense. There is an immense amount provincial goverments can do to address Canada's weak supply.
Municipal governments are at the root of Canada's housing crisis and have been since the start. They control residental zoning and the majority of development costs in housing construction that are preventing our supply from meeting demand. Its why BC condos cost $650k and Edmonton ones cost $200k.
The province can overrule the municipal governments any time they please. The last year BC and Ontario have forced municipalities to open zoning for more homes, while Alberta forced theirs to roll back new zoning is some sort of nonsensical move.
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u/geeses_and_mieces Lest We Forget 6m ago
Alberta has some of the least restrictive residential zoning in the entire country, which is why Edmonton and Calgary are both consistently ranked among the best cost to quality of life in all of Canada.
Regardless, your argument is like setting off dynamite on board a ship, and then blaming the crew members for not patching the holes fast enough.
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u/senecant 2h ago
Your point doesn't make sense to me. Are you claiming that low-skill, low-income immigrants are buying up all of the homes and daycare, both of which are very expensive for Canadian-born families of average or above-average income? This does not appear to be a sound and logical argument. Also, GDP per capita has virtually nothing to do with services. What do you think that GDP per capita indicates?
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u/Winbot4t2 British Columbia 1h ago
Every person that enters the country has to live somewhere. That by definition increases demand, through rentals or ownership. They don’t need to buy homes for this. Someone else will buy that home to house them in.
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u/geeses_and_mieces Lest We Forget 8m ago
Where do you think the millions of people the Liberals have brought into Canada live? Whether it's rentals, condos, or houses, it doesn't matter. Demand goes up, supply can't keep pace, housing becomes less affordable, and the quality of life for Canadians goes down.
Real GDP per capita measures the average economic output per person in Canada. When economic output per person decreases while the cost of providing public services remains constant or increases, quality of services and access to services both decline.
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u/mr_receipter 2h ago
You mean houses are not being built
In Calgary and Edmonton (the cities relevant to the article) homes are being built at record rates over the past few years, coming down a bit this year but on an absolute scale a city like Calgary has almost as many starts as the much larger cities like Toronto or Montreal
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u/PhalanX4012 2h ago
Look down south for what happens when nations follow populist agendas regarding limiting immigration without remotely understanding how immigration (or the lack thereof) impacts the economy/job market
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u/FrothyEspresso Canada 2h ago
That’s not a response that will change minds. Down south their economy is on fire and they can’t cool it down. We can’t even get ours started.
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u/Fanghur1123 2h ago
You're implying that it's better to be on fire than to be moving slowly?
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u/GameDoesntStop 2h ago
In the context of an economy, yes...
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u/Fanghur1123 2h ago
Okay. I can't say I'm a fan of being burned, but if that's your thing, who am I to judge I guess.
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u/GameDoesntStop 2h ago
Seems like the problem is your English reading skills.
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u/PhalanX4012 2h ago
You’ve made two completely nonsensical statements. Seems like your English writing skills are the biggest problem here.
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u/Demosthenes_Locke- 1h ago
US economy is doing well.
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u/Fanghur1123 1h ago
Not for the working class it's not. And frankly, any economy in which the majority of working class people are living at or below bare subsistence levels is NOT doing well in my opinion.
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u/0verdue22 2h ago
part of it may be that high-skill canadians are leaving faster than ever and we don't have a choice but to replace them somehow
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u/SameAfternoon5599 2h ago
The vast majority of "Canadians" leaving are "new" Canadians. It has always been easier to become an American as a Canadian, versus trying to enter directly from India.
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u/Gunslinger7752 1h ago
I don’t definitively know that is true, but assuming it is, you can’t move to the US to be a cashier at dollar tree so new Canadians or not, these are going to higher educated, higher earning individuals. There are lots of reasons why this is bad, but purely from a government revenue perspective, we can’t afford to lose our primary tax base.
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u/Character-Belt-7485 Ontario 14m ago
Citation needed pls.
Not denying this doesn’t happen, but the brain drain is also Canadian born people leaving for the US for better wages.
Waterloo is basically an export pipeline for the US market.
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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 41m ago
They are leaving because we keep bringing in immigrants to suppress their wages.
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u/Gunslinger7752 1h ago
People are leaving for the US for much higher wages, significantly lower taxes, lower housing costs etc. This may sound crazy but hear me out. What if we worked towards solving the problems that are making them leave so that they didn’t leave in the first place?
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u/dahabit 3h ago
Is it always about low wage immigrants?
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u/Candid_Elk_3176 2h ago
Canada’s the greatest country on earth. In a perfect world, everyone could come here.
Unfortunately, we’re experiencing some pretty severe scarcity and it’s causing pre-existing Canadian families to experience hardship to the point of affecting the birth rate. My opinion is to focus mainly on skilled labour that attacks the scarcity problems or health care issues.
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u/FavoriteIce British Columbia 2h ago
Hot take but if you actually care about immigration, having it controlled at the provincial level is probably one of the worst ways you can go
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u/Academic_Data_6422 2h ago
How is that even enforced? If BC lets more in… then people just come from BC to Alberta.
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u/FavoriteIce British Columbia 2h ago
It’s not enforceable at all.
You can give provinces control over selection. So through an expanded PNP program which makes sense.
But overall admissibility criteria is still with the government of Canada.
And people always being up Quebec, but at the end of the day it works the same way for them. Canada has final say on an immigrants admissibility
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u/killerrin Ontario 2h ago
Even then constitutionally you can't just bind an immigrant to a specific province. Once they're in Canada, they can go wherever they want no take backs.
That's where Quebec ran into issues years back when they offered expedited pathways for skilled French speakers, who then flew the coup to other provinces.
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u/Nice_Reading5272 51m ago
You can bind them until PR which is why you have immigrants in the Maritimes at all rn
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u/shiningz 1h ago
Quebec does it and everyone's okay with it. 🤷♀️
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u/FavoriteIce British Columbia 27m ago
French language based selection is probably one of the biggest issues in immigration right now.
It’s one of the last remaining Trudeau loopholes that was created specifically for Quebec.
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u/Sir_Bumcheeks 1h ago
You just don't grant them Alberta residency? It's not that hard. Quebec literally does this.
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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING 2h ago
Well, their Premier was a huge proponent of immigration as recently as March 2024 when she wrote a letter to Trudeau asking the Federal government to "stop undercutting Alberta's economy" and to more than double Alberta's allotment of provincial nominees (from 7,750 to 20,000) to tackle worker shortages. She also asked for 10,000 more allocations specifically for Ukrainian refugees.
And just before that they were running their "Alberta is calling" campaign nationwide which did happen to attract a lot of temporary workers.
These days she does not seem to remember those developments. To her credit, this particular form of amnesia is an ailment that seems to have affected all premiers who had similar asks of the Federal government a couple of years ago.
Maybe Albertans can put some checks on their own provincial government for immigration programs the province does have control over.
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u/flatulentbaboon 52m ago
Alberta Is Calling was aimed at skilled tradespeople.
There was even a bonus attached, for anyone in a specific trade.
The Alberta is Calling: Moving Bonus Program is part of the Alberta is Calling campaign which aims to attract skilled trade workers to fill critical labour shortages. The Alberta is Calling: Moving Bonus is a refundable tax credit of $5,000 for up to 2,000 eligible individuals who move to Alberta between May 1, 2024 and December 31, 2024, work in an eligible occupation and meet all remaining criteria.
Page 5 for the list of eligible occupations:
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u/YouProfessional3196 2h ago
I agree. But what other choices do people have to lash out. The federal government clearly hoodwinked the public and if they are going to strike back at the federal government they are likely going to do it here.
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u/Heppernaut Québec 2h ago
The only hoodwinking that happened was all the provinces clamouring for more immigration and the federal government got hoodwinked into saying OKAY.
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u/FavoriteIce British Columbia 2h ago
Having 10 different forms of immigration controls is objectively just worse than having a single point through a federal agency
And if Alberta has strict immigration controls, there is nothing stopping British Columbia or Saskatchewan from having more open policies
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u/walker1867 1h ago
Maybe don’t vote for contrarian parties. It was a minority gov and cons Alberta elected could have had some say if they were willing to work with others. Same for all the minority Trudeau governments.
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u/ForgetfulM0nk Lest We Forget 29m ago
How do you figure? We have over a decade of madness coast to coast. The people rightly want change when the same party keeps getting elected and making things worse
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u/Salt_Act1404 1h ago
I think Carney's comment to vote "no to the 9" was a bit misguided. Vote no to separation sure, fine for him to say, but he stepped a bit out of bounds telling Albertans not to entertain any of it. That might back-fire a bit.
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario 1h ago
He's not wrong though. As a conservative Albertan lawyer, "the nine" are also fucking nonsense.
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u/Salt_Act1404 1h ago
In your opinion. There sure seems to be a lot of lawyers on reddit! But people don't vote based on the opinions of others. Which is my point. The people I've talked to so far were put off by Carney's comments and probably thought about their replies more than they would have otherwise. Which may be a reason we are seeing results like this article is reporting on. Just a theory from myself and those around me.
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u/whitenet 19m ago
The people I talked to, were not put off by his comments, and don't vote based on feelings. Were educated enough to spend time reading about how things work. Unfortunately, democracy only works when education is a pre condition.
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u/Salt_Act1404 7m ago
"We're" is the contraction for "we are."
Yeah yeah you're smart, everyone else is dumb. A reddit special. That's great. You know "how things work." A true asset to your community I'm sure. I'll be sure to reach out if I have a question.
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u/yycsarkasmos 3h ago
Majority of people in Edmonton and Calgary don't understand the questions or the current requirements .
You cannot vote if you are not a citizen already why? Because you cannot even register to vote if you are not one!
FUCK, requiring proof of citizenship at the time of voting, is redundant, red tape, and suppresive.
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u/Hour_Significance817 2h ago
There is a difference between "cannot vote" and "legally not allowed to vote". The former implies that non-eligible voters will not have the option to physically be able to cast ballots that will be counted. The latter does not preclude this possibility, and that's what current election laws cover. People that legally cannot vote still have the option to do so illegally through false attestations or through outright fraud, their votes will be counted, and they won't face any legal consequences until much later, often times none at all.
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u/OrionTO 2h ago
I literally know someone who wasn’t even a permanent resident that voted in our provincial election. They never asked her for ID and therefore she influenced our outcome.
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u/captain_poptart Science/Technology 2h ago
No you don’t
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u/OrionTO 2h ago
You can believe whatever you want but my friend literally told me this. She’s a PR now thankfully but it just showed me how lax the system was.
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u/blood_vein 1h ago
Just so you know:
Elections Canada cross-checks its voter register against immigration data. In 2019 it removed 103,000 people from the register because they weren't citizens.
Your friend didn't influence shit. It's very very easy to remove such cases. If anything she should get fined but that's a different area of enforcement. There's no voter fraud in Canada
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u/whitenet 21m ago
No, she their friend. Surely what she said is correct. How can they not believe her /s
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u/Save_Canada Alberta 2h ago
You dont require proof of citizenship to vote. You can have someone vouch for you and that's good enough.
"You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.
The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions)." elections canada
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Ontario 2h ago
And those (and the ones where you switch ridings) are recorded and sent the elections department to verify
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u/ComplexPassage7447 2h ago
You literally only need a driver’s license to vote lol
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u/steflund 2h ago
The referendum question if implemented would require passport or birth certificate as proof of citizenship in order to vote
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u/Salt_Act1404 2h ago
Citizenship has been added to driver's licenses. So you will just need a driver's license. People should also be keeping track of their birth certificates and passports.
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u/steflund 2h ago
I’m not saying people don’t keep track of passports and birth certs but it is an extra hurdle for people. Say they were just gonna stop in and vote after work it would require some forethought and carrying those documents with you all day. To me it’s an unnecessary hassle when voter fraud evidence is minimal
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u/Salt_Act1404 2h ago
The vast majority of people simply don't see this as an issue. Having to show "some forethought" before voting isn't something worth complaining about.
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u/Famous_Track_4356 Québec 2h ago
Calgary blaming the federal government when UCP wanted to double Alberta’s population and kept paying for ads that Alberta is calling…
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u/Salt_Act1404 2h ago
Danielle Smith said she would like to see the population increased to 10 million by 2050. The "Alberta is Calling" campaign targeted skilled workers from other provinces, had nothing to do with immigration.
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u/killerrin Ontario 2h ago
Yes, and a large demographic of skilled workers from other provinces, are immigrants. And the ones most likely to take them up on their call are people who don't have existing ties to their provinces, ie, Immigrants.
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u/Salt_Act1404 2h ago
No they are literally not immigrants. Immigrants literally means you come from another country.
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u/killerrin Ontario 2h ago
Wooosh.
An immigrant moves to Ontario. They are of Immigrant status. That person is an Immigrant, holds an Immigration Card. They will always be considered an Immigrant to Canada. Because that is literally their demographic.
If that person moves from Ontario to Alberta they still do not stop being an Immigrant.
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u/Salt_Act1404 2h ago
I get it, but it's semantics and doesn't change the point at all. What percentage of inter-provincial migrants to Alberta are immigrants?
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 23m ago
Skilled workers don’t just plop down without an even larger services sector springing up around to do things like bring them a lukewarm burrito for $30.
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u/EmperorOfCanada 1h ago
My prediction for this will be issues 1-5 will be a shockingly huge yes. Like, not just crazy right wing nutcases huge; but a message that maybe these issues are Canada wide.
I suspect a muddled mess on 6-9. Mostly no, but a mixed bag. Probably close to 50/50 on the senate.
And with Yandex literally blown up, I suspect 10 will be a pretty solid no. I will be shocked if it cracks 30% leave.
I'm not saying this is my exact vote, but I'm using the polling method: "How do you think your neighbours will vote?"
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u/YouProfessional3196 1h ago
I expect that actual leave vote will be between 17%-22%.
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u/EmperorOfCanada 59m ago
Without yandex, I think you are about right. Definitely more than 10 probably less than 30.
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u/CrazyCanuckUncleBuck Lest We Forget 2h ago
Since 2015, Elections Alberta has issued a total of seven letters of reprimand for voter fraud. Four were sent to individuals found to be ineligible to vote, and three were sent to people who voted more than once.
You read that right, 7 instances of fraud in 11 years, 3 of which were by citizens who voted twice. Question 5 of the referendum is a waste of paper.
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u/Salt_Act1404 1h ago
My guess is it's not about voter fraud. It's about health care and public services being accessed by non-Canadians. They're adding health care information and citizenship status to driver's licenses so they can quickly assess whether or not individuals qualify for benefits.
BALLOT QUESTION 2 Do you support the Government of Alberta introducing a law mandating that only Canadian citizens, permanent residents and individuals with an Alberta-approved immigration status will be eligible for provincially-funded programs, such as health care, education and other social services?
BALLOT QUESTION 5 Do you support the Government of Alberta introducing a law requiring individuals to provide proof of citizenship, such as a passport, birth certificate or citizenship card, to vote in an Alberta provincial election?
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u/Salt_Act1404 1h ago
I'm having trouble understanding your comment honestly hard to read, but you can make your voice heard on Monday.
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u/Calgary_Calico 44m ago
Or today. Some polling stations have been open since Tuesday. We voted on Thursday
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u/Dry-Wolf6789 2h ago
The most support is for a measure that already exists. A+ for being educated Alberta
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario 1h ago
I mean, by standardized testing scores, Alberta and Quebec are actually the best educated provinces in Confederation.
Just goes to show that being well educated doesn't immunize you from propaganda and bad judgment.
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u/JurboVolvo 2h ago
Majority supports non issue that’s costs millions to implement because of propaganda about a non existent issue.
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u/monkeygoneape Ontario 2h ago
Alberta doesn't already have voter ID?
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u/Myllicent 1h ago
The actual referendum question is “Do you support the Government of Alberta introducing a law requiring individuals to provide proof of citizenship, such as a passport, birth certificate or citizenship card, to vote in an Alberta provincial election?”
I don’t know that any province or territory currently requires ID that proves your citizenship. Certainly Ontario accepts a much wider range of ID.
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u/Calgary_Calico 46m ago
I've been ID'd every time I've gone to vote, and mail in ballots require a photo copy of your ID to be sent in with your ballot for it to be counted, so I assumed we already did have a law like that in place. But as another commenter pointed out the question was asking if Albertans would support a law requiring ID to vote, which I would assume most would.
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u/monkeygoneape Ontario 39m ago
So they're basically being asked "hey, do you like breathing"
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u/Calgary_Calico 22m ago
It was a bit of a useless question, yea. Especially with how few incidents of voter fraud we've had in this province, and across the country
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u/monkeygoneape Ontario 21m ago
Ya whenever I think voter ID, it's the states I think of which in itself I don't understand why it's not a thing
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u/hardy_83 3h ago
Yeah cause voter ID won't be used in any way to suppress voter rights rather than fix a problem that doesn't really exist.
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u/allgonetoshit Canada 3h ago
We already have voter ID laws all over Canada. This is actually a USA issue that does not exist in Canada, but the USA agents running this were too stupid to know.
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u/ElectricBlubbles 2h ago
This just isn’t a problem we have in Canada, it’s just an attempt to pull confused Canadians into the toxic American political outhouse. For now Canadians still have an education system so we know it’s a lie.
I am already registered as a voter so I just brought in one piece of ID and voted. Im already registered to vote so only needed one form of ID as they have already confirmed that I’m a Canadian citizen, which is the only way I can register to vote in the first place. They just use the ID to confirm my identity.
They will try harder. I hoe we can still use our brains enough to continue to see though this after chat GPT drains us if our critical thinking skills.
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u/FleetingArrow 3h ago
We already have voter ID and what do you know.. nobody is being “supressed” at the ballot boxes
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u/allgonetoshit Canada 2h ago
The issue is purely American since they refuse to do the simplest of things: issuing free state ID. Every citizen in Canada has free IS, unless they went out of their way to not have it. Everyone has at least a provincial medical card, or a First Nation card.
There is no suppression since we are not a shithole of a country. We also have IDs. We also have voter ID rules. We also have automatic voter registration.
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u/steflund 2h ago
Requiring a passport or birth certificate instead of just drivers license would probably have a somewhat suppressive effect. To what extent who knows but it’s just another hoop to jump through and some people might just say fuck it. Evidence of voter fraud is minimal it would be a stupid change
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u/Ok-Buyer5027 2h ago
Elections Alberta doesn't put non citizens on the voter list. And very few people are stupid enough to give their name and address to a government employee to commit the crime of illegal voting. Voter ID is just for racism purposes.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3h ago
Good luck with that voter ID stuff people.
As with the United States, the people most likely to have that voter ID are not the right wing fringe that these people hope will vote.
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u/FleetingArrow 3h ago
Huh? We already have voter ID
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u/BestBlueChocolate 2h ago
Apparently, many people vote without high quality ID such as a passport. Alberta is trying to suggest similar to the Republicans in the south that there is voter fraud and so therefore they're going to require higher quality ID. Very much exactly what Trump was trying to pass in the Save America Act.
Some people only have a Health card and do not have a passport.
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Ontario 2h ago
Do you mean the voting cards we get with info about our polling stations?
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u/gen-attolis 1h ago
It’s very possible to in theory support one of the questions or topics but still vote no. For example, I’m very open to the idea of senate reform. But I still voted “no” in the referendum because the priority is sending a message to Danielle Smith, not REALLY about the senate.
If someone asked me in a poll about senate reform I would be like “sure, yeah, I support that, I’m open to that”. But that doesn’t translate to a vote in favour of it.
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u/FrankTruth69 2h ago
Voted last night , just used drivers license .