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OC Please resist responsibly

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u/TheSheetSlinger Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26

Success doesnt hinge on one single factor. Fear that the black community would favor violence as a redress was a motivating factor to the point that JFK used it as a motivational push for his goal of passing civil rights legislations meaning it gave more leverage to MLKs nonviolent approach, at least in the eyes of JFK, as he felt violence would be the alternative that the nation would face if the discontent wasn't addressed.

JFK's Radio and TV Address on June 11th 1963 discusses the potential for violence as a motivator to enact change sooner rather than later to the point he felt it could threaten public safety. Acknowledging that the growing, and understandable, discontent in the black community could lead to increasing escalation that undermined public safety and calling on legislatures to do the right moral thing now so that the social revolution, that is the granting of full rights to the black community, can be a peaceful one.

This is the president holding up two alternatives to the public and legislatures saying, "It is the right thing to do and the community has tried addressing this legally and peacefully. The time to address it now so that it can be a peaceful transition rather than a violent one.

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u/lumpboysupreme Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26

The threat of the public safety he was illustrating was more from the side of whites than a threat from blacks, an observation of the protests of the time made that much clear. And maybe some implication of inevitability of clashes involving both sides during protests, but any reading of that statement that implies blacks were going to take their rights by force strikes me as trying very hard to agree with the OP.

It’s also, like, two lines in a 13 minute speech of moral appeals. You can’t seriously equate the two.

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u/TheSheetSlinger Jul 28 '26

To be fair there are more than two lines.

"The cesspools of segregation...producing in many cities a rising tide of discontent that threatens public safety." - Pretty explicitly connects the rising discontent of the black community to actions that would threaten public safety. I don't see any reading that points to whites on this, especially considering that they had already been behaving violently.

"...then who among us would be content...standing in his place? Who among us then would be content with the counsels of patience?" - Justifying the aforementioned discontent.

"The fires of frustration and discord are burning in every city..." - Obviously the black community are the frustrated given the preceding parts of the speech. Likening that frustration to fire and discord in the context of discontent in the black community leading to threats on public safety.

"Where legal remedies are not at hand, redress is sought in the streets - in demonstrations, parades, and protests, which create tension and threaten violence." - I could see a reading of this as whites in a vacuum but when it's already been acknowleded that the black communitys discontent could lead to threats on public safety? Maybe this is referring to clashes, but does that really undermine the point of the point is that the black community could be growing tired of the nonviolent approach?

"A social revolution at hand -- our task...is to make that revolution peaceful...Those who do nothing are inviting shame as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right as well as reality." - The black community is the one trying to "revolt" in this sense and whites had already more than initiated violence so this seems pretty clearly to be calling for action to be taken before the black community increasingly reciprocates even portraying the reciprocity as a reality.

"Their only remedy is the street, where they may...create tensions and violence." Again a fair reading that this could be referring to clashes as protestors increasingly grew tired of nonviolence, but still doesn't really undermine my overall point that the threat of violence, albeit reciprocal, from the black community is being protrayed as a credible threat and motivator.

Then a lot of that speech is spent demonstrating and justifying exactly why the black community is so discontent, which isn't unrelated.

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u/lumpboysupreme Jul 28 '26

Pretty explicitly connects the rising discontent of the black community to actions that would threaten public safety.

Yes, the clear and obvious clashes with police and black people acting defensively, not the idea of proactive violence.

Justifying the aforementioned discontent

I shouldn’t have to say that discontent is not strictly synonymous with violence

And so on.

Again the entire thing also works as a reading of wanting to avoid the ugliness of crackdowns better than a legitimate fear of unilateral violence from blacks. Yours would be an appropriate reading in a different context but it’s not ‘proof’ of what you claim unless you already believe your position. Otherwise it reads either way and the current political climate of the time supports the other way.

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u/TheSheetSlinger Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 29 '26

Yes, the clear and obvious clashes with police and black people acting defensively, not the idea of proactive violence

But the administration did fear proactive violence as well, at least in a retaliatory way such as riots sparki g from unjust events and not in strictly self defense although they were ofc worried about that as well.

A transcription of RFK, JFK, and Burke Marshall during a conversation discussing Birmingham and MLK demonstrates this fear rather well as they discuss the hope that MLK will calm violent reactions while fearing the violence that may come from black people who have become bitter over the continued oppression:

RFK: Martin Luther King is coming back, I guess he is probably in Birmingham at the present time … He'll have some effect on those that attend the rest, it's questionable… On the other side, the Negroes who are tough and mean and have guns, who have been bitter for a long period of time, who are worked up about this, and figure one of the best services they can perform is to shoot some of them.

JFK: … So it really is just a question, we have to have two things. First, we have to have law and order, and therefore the Negroes not to be running around the city. And then secondly, we have to get this arrangement working. We can't just have the Negroes not running around the city, and then have the agreement blow up … Burke Marshall: If that agreement blows up, the Negroes will be … JFK: Uncontrollable. Marshall: And I think not only in Birmingham."

Another quote from RFK when talking to Alabama newspaper editors:

“Remember it was King who went around the pool halls and door to door collecting knives, telling people to go home and to stay off the streets and to be nonviolent … If King loses, worse leaders are going to take his place.”

Edit: This isn't to say that nonviolence had nothing to do with the success of the CRM. It drew attention and helped gain a lot of popular support certainly. Only that part of the success to nonviolence relied on the implication that the they may not stay nonviolent if the powers that be ignore their attempts to do things the "right" way. Certainly, key figures in power recognized that potential, in addition to viewing it as the right thing to do.