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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

So lets see here so far this comic has been reported for:

user reports:

23: It's promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability

6: This is spam

4: This is manipulated content

3: It threatens violence or physical harm at someone else

2: No AI or template comics

1: It threatens violence or physical harm at me

1: NSFW content

We are r/comics would like to remind everyone that we take a firm stance against Nazis in all forms. Especially those like in the comic.

If you have issue, or agree with this particular Nazi subject in the comic, rather the report or comment, please respond here for your free trip to Ban Island. All expenses paid by the r/comics mod team

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u/AFourEyedGeek Aug 07 '26

Not arguing, perhaps people reporting it think this is pro Nazism?

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire Aug 07 '26

And my response would be, explain to me how THIS FACE seems pro Nazi when they see a Nazi symbol

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u/AFourEyedGeek Aug 07 '26

If they believe the comic is mocking her, saying that she overreacts to a mere symbol on a pleasant acting man. That a pro-Nazi person drew this saying people overreact too much.

To be clear, this is not my view, but I can see someone thinking that, as I had to think what was the artist meaning by this for a moment. That is why I am thinking that people might be reporting it, and the perma ban might be to anti-Nazi people not understanding the comic.

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u/Possible_Tomatillo_5 Aug 07 '26

Also, did people miss the end where the “red hat guy” defends the nazi? So, not understanding the comic seems like user error to me.

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u/U_L_Uus Aug 07 '26

You say user error. I say wilful misunderstanding

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u/GothicFuck Aug 07 '26

Did not clock the red hat actually. Now it makes so much more fucking sense. I was like, what, everyone in this universe is nazis? I'm really sleepy tho.

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u/No_Career_4785 Aug 07 '26

I forgot about red hats being the current sign for Nazis in the USA as well.

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u/KeterLordFR Aug 07 '26

Same, at first I had to second guess whether or not the comic meant for the guy at the end to be the "voice of reason" or not. Now that I notice the red had, I understand.

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u/AFourEyedGeek Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

But I think some Red Hat people might totally agree with the defending of people with Nazi iconography as long as they're pleasant. With people knowing that, they might think the comic is defending Red Hats and report the comic.

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 07 '26

That’s why the guy has a Red Hat.

There’s nothing about the comic that indicates that he was correct. Do folks really not get that the response is supposed to also be horrifying?

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u/AFourEyedGeek Aug 07 '26

Do you not get that people that wear the Red Hat think these actions are acceptable, I mean, the artist says this literally happened to them? As such, this cartoon could be seen as mocking those that overreact to symbols because people know this is how some people think, they think that some people overreact to a few symbols.

I feel the need to say, I am anti-Nazi and anti-MAGA.

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 07 '26

Do you mot get that the artist isn’t the one wearing the red hat?

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u/AFourEyedGeek Aug 09 '26

You do get I'm not the one not misunderstanding the comic right? I'm showing empathy to people potentially not understanding something, we even have people here expressing those sentiments. Again, I'm anti-Nazi just in case that is also hard to sink in.

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u/Sepplord Aug 07 '26

I saw it as „average person defends nazi“ which was the whole reason why it seemed like the comic was trying to say „chill, it’s okay if they are nice to you“

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u/Efficient-Cupcake247 Aug 07 '26

Red Hat not normal guy

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u/Sepplord Aug 07 '26

Outside of America red hats are just red hats and not a political statement.

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 07 '26

So media literacy is dead.

The comic is showing the artist’s experience of having her fear and disgust about a person being a Nazi being dismissed because “he was civil.”

It’s not “pairing” being a Nazi with good behavior.

It’s just showing an actual truth that there are people like the second customer who will literally excuse someone being a Nazi so long as they’re “civil.”

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u/Possible_Tomatillo_5 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

Super weird that you interpreted it that way.

  1. Nazi comes into business
  2. Cashier serves customer as usual
  3. Cashier notices nazi symbols all over customer, realizes, and is horrified for doing business with nazi
  4. Red hat guy dismisses her horrified reaction because nazi was “civil” and normal

Conclusion: Red hat guy normalized nazi and cashier thinks the whole thing is insane.

If you think that the message of this series of events is “be like red hat guy,” you just might be red hat guy.

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 08 '26

Exactly.

I’m absolutely baffled at how anyone reads the comic and thinks “clearly this comic is about red hat guy being right.”

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u/Possible_Tomatillo_5 Aug 08 '26

The takeaway is that nazis and nazi sympathizers are getting way too comfortable in our “civilized” modern society.

Edit: quotes around civilized

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 09 '26

I know their nonsense got deleted, but it’s wild the way they just keep accusing everyone of maliciously wanting to spread propaganda-nazi propaganda. Like. They couldn’t just even consider that maybe they were wrong about their interpretation. Nope. Op and everyone else must literally want to spread nazi propaganda

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 08 '26

“You wish to ignore the primary message.”

No, my dude. That’s you. That’s what you’re doing.

Or maybe not ignoring it. Maybe just deliberately not seeing it, or misinterpreting it.

“To push the idea that people embracing that openly hateful identity are good people.”

Neither I, nor this comic’s creator, are saying that at all, and frankly, it’s pretty vile of you to accuse me of that.

Nazis are bad people. Full stop. They can be civil sometimes. That’s actually pretty important to know because it’s insidious.

She’s literally sharing an example of some creep trying to gaslight her about an actual Nazi who came into her place of business and you’re accusing her of “pushing the idea” that Nazis are good people.

Absolutely wild.

The point of the comic is literally that people will dismiss Nazis as long as they’re “civil” and that that is deeply disturbing.

Hence, y’know. The deeply disturbed expression on her face.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

If they believe the comic is mocking her, saying that she overreacts to a mere symbol on a pleasant acting man

Then my response would be: why would an artist, mock herself on a serious subject like this?

the perma ban might be to anti-Nazi people not understanding the comic.

In the extremely unlikely event this is the case it will be handled in modmail.

That is why I am thinking that people might be reporting it

I promise it's not, friend. Been here long enough to know it's not.

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u/darkmoon2310 Aug 07 '26

~Squirt of lemon~

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire Aug 07 '26

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u/Buddy-Matt Aug 07 '26

why would an artist, mock herself on a serious subject like this?

I've been around r/comics long enough to recognise this artist's self-insert. It's possible others may think she's just a character.

handled in modmail

Laughs in "of course the mods are always reasonable"

I promise it's not, friend. Been here long enough to know it's not.

Total, unreserved, agreement. Nazis are scum. People getting upset at media mocking Nazis are also scum. This comic isn't even throwing direct hate on them, it's much more nuanced. Even if you were a pro nazi sympathisiser, there's nothing here to get that bent out of shape about, apart from the rather obvious fact that some people don't like interacting with Nazis. I see plenty of comics much more directly attacking Nazis and Nazi sympathisers than this one.

So I'll point out that it's possible to be confused, and mods don't always present the level headed judgement people expect, but that doesn't change the fact that that no matter how you read this comic, there's nothing to report. Nothing. So people doing it are clearly doing it for just one reason - to attack the artist. Well, in which case, those people can go and self fornicate

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire Aug 08 '26

Laughs in "of course the mods are always reasonable"

Hey I try!

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 07 '26

The Nazi is being “polite” but the framing of the Nazi identifiers are still portrayed with the visual cues of horror.

If it’s your first time here and you’re not familiar with the artist, she often makes comics about people gaslighting her or dismissing her very valid concerns.

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u/Fine-Difference7411 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

I did not see it at first until it was pointed out, but the guy defending the nazi is wearing a red hat.

Also it may be reference to that Nazi bar saying. Where you first have a nice polite Nazi coming to your bar, then another time he starts bringing friends and those eventually start bringing friends and they stop being nice and polite and they drive away your usual customers and now you have a Nazi bar.

So maybe it's more about how normalized naziism has become and how they are much more out in the open now. As a warning, because many don't seem to realise this or don't think the problem is as out of hand as it already is, with many people, symbolized by the guy in the red hat, which may be a MAGA hat, not caring at all.

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u/AmarissaBhaneboar Aug 07 '26

I can definitely see where you're getting that. Especially if you're not from the US or maaaaybe Canada too. There are enough tells here to me as an American to show that the artist is mocking both the people the main character (the blonde) is talking to in this comic. The red hat, the way the red hat guy is dressed, I also know that this has been a talking point in America especially for awhile, that why should we care as long as long as the literal Nazi is being nice? Etc, etc...but if you don't have those cultural clues, or if you're neurodivergent, I can definitely see how you could interpret this as being pro-Nazi. I also have read a lot of this artist's work and know that she's anti-fascist. But also without that, I can see how this might come across as pro-Nazi instead. I do like this artist, but I also feel like it could've been made more clear what she was going for. It's obvious that a lot of people who don't have all this context thought this was a pro-Nazi comic, so that does say that there's some room for improvement on the delivery.

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u/ThatInAHat Aug 07 '26

Bro, we’re not doing the paradox of tolerance here.