I think we can certainly make the decision to ban (from a given business) any outspoken Christian or Muslim who advocates for the removal of women's ability to vote or their legal rights to equal treatment, yes. That's a small minority of Christians and Muslims in the EU and America with that opinion, in contrast to Nazis, so they're certainly not equivalent as a large group.
A social contract is agreement where people give up some of their freedom to a higher authority in exchange for security and other benefits.
The intial conversation was over a business declining service to a political ideology, which is legal (in the US at least). We moved onto the "social contract" discussion which goes beyond a business and its customers, thats at the government level.
I don't believe violations of the social contract necessitate governmental or legal action, as you are implying.
The proportionate response to a "peaceful and quiet nazi" at a bar is to kick them out and shun them. No one you've interacted with here suggesting rounding up Nazis for thought crimes/their abhorrent beliefs and punishing them legally. We only do that when they're actively hurting someone.
The Thomas Hobbs/Rousseau concept of "social contract" involves the individual and a higher authority/government trading freedom and security guarantees. Its not how people choose to shun or not to shun someone.
I mean you're right that in the original conception of the social contract we're not violating shit by being a passive Nazi. But Hobbes was also a man who thought the ruler and enforcer of this contract should be given total and unquestionable power and we've generally moved past that conception of the social contract.
Like...
"The only way to erect such a Common Power... is to conferre all their power and strength upon one Man, or upon one Assembly of men, that may reduce all their Wills, by plurality of voices, unto one will"
"He that hath the Sovereign Power is not Subject to the Civill Lawes. For having power to make, and repeale Lawes, he may when he pleaseth, free himselfe from that subjection."
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u/AmpleExample Aug 07 '26
I think we can certainly make the decision to ban (from a given business) any outspoken Christian or Muslim who advocates for the removal of women's ability to vote or their legal rights to equal treatment, yes. That's a small minority of Christians and Muslims in the EU and America with that opinion, in contrast to Nazis, so they're certainly not equivalent as a large group.