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OC Fight Club

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u/Jiellyeum 23d ago edited 23d ago

Fight Club, Star Wars and American Psycho join in as the most notable films to have fanbases that have wildly different interpretations of the art that is… concerningly bad to say the least

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u/Wild_Marker 23d ago

Wait, Star Wars? What... you know, I think I'd rather not know.

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u/culo_de_mono 23d ago

TLDR from a non-geek, got it explained thru beers by a colleague in an office party: while using the dark force, Palatine (or some other) could predict the future and he foresaw that a new alien race, way stronger, would invade their Galaxy. The Death Star was a prototype weapon to fight them, and he wanted to create a militaristic society ready for that intergalactic war.

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u/TravelerSearcher 23d ago

For anyone more curious, that was mostly (or exclusively) in the Expanded Universe, or books/comics that were published throughout the 90s/2000s. There's literally hundreds of books and comics from those decades. Not to mention the games.

The Expanded Universe is full of loads of wild and crazy stuff that's more contradicting than the movies themselves.

When Disney bought the franchise they specifically decided only the Movies and Clone Wars TV Show would be 'canon', only later taking certain characters, plots, or stories and adapting them into the new canon. Like Thrawn or Teras Kasi.

The idea that Palpatine knew a greater threat was coming also never justified his actions or how he went about preparing to deal with it. There's no good or rational reason for his tyranny, oppression or fascism. The dude legit was just in it for power.

Even if a new danger was looming, he still wanted to be top dog.

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u/culo_de_mono 23d ago

Yeah, think that this comes from a folk that also loves the Legion in FONV xD I'm not that geek. And to add a film, Starship Troopers xD when Neo Facism planet wise is presented as a good thing xD 

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u/TravelerSearcher 23d ago

Well Starship Troopers is satire. It being presented as 'good' is part of the critique. Paying attention to what's actually happening on screen should make it clear that it wasn't meant to be seen as positive.

But then satire often gets missed sadly.

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u/culo_de_mono 23d ago

Yeah, this is what I meant. 

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u/TravelerSearcher 23d ago

Oh right, my bad, misread. Carry on!

or rather

"I'm doing my part!"

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u/culo_de_mono 23d ago

Do you want to know more? xDD

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u/leopoldsghost28 23d ago

People say the same thing about... you know... those guys.

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u/Wild_Marker 23d ago

Ah yes, "the evil antagonist was just getting ready for an eviler antagonist so everything is justified". That trope is almost always stupid.

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u/Bowgentle 23d ago

More than stupid, really, since it’s essentially how fascist/authoritarian regimes justify themselves in real life.

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u/kandoras 23d ago

It wasn't just an idea someone came up with.

It was explicitly written into the pre-Disney expanded universe, with Thrawn being the guy that warned Palpatine about the Yuuzhan Vong.

So stupid trope, but in this case it has to be blamed on the content creators, not the fans.

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u/Wild_Marker 23d ago

Oh yes I heard, but using old EU to tell your coworkers the fascists were the good guys is... a choice.

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 23d ago

It also doesn’t exactly match up either. Palps is still absolutely, unquestionably evil in the EU. The unifying against the Yuuzhan Vong theme seems to be a conflation between Palpatine and what we hear about Revan’s motives in KOTOR 2 (that Revan was trying to unite the galaxy against the actual Sith Empire in the Unknown Regions). Palps knew about the Vong (ish), but they weren’t enough on his radar to worry about.

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u/Emergency_Basket_851 23d ago

Look, I'm a fan of a lot of the EU stuff that got decanonized, but the Yuuzhan Vong were some edgy 90s bullshit that belongs more in Warhammer than Star Wars. (I am also a fan of Warhammer, this was really just a way to demonstrate how tonally inconsistent they were.)