r/comics • SeraBeeves • 7d ago

OC This has happened twice now I am deeply confused.

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u/speedingticketqu 7d ago

is THIS why men get so weird when i hold the door open for them?? omg

so many times… i approach a door first and hold it for the person behind me. (i’m a woman.)
women always thank me politely and smile.
men often insist to take the door (that i’m already holding) from me, to hold it for me. like dude- i’m already holding it.. FOR YOU! i’ve already offered, im already holding it. you’re making me hold it longer by fighting with me so that you can regain your masculinity by holding the door. holy fuck. please just get through the door that is already in my hands and positioned for you to enter instead of making me awkwardly move for YOU to now hold the door 😭 PLEASE make it make sense

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u/runnerhasnolife 7d ago edited 6d ago

Yes

There are a lot of families that pound into their kids a lot of things about how you have to help women and if you don't your a monster who everyone will hate

Eventually the fear wears off but the habit remains

It becomes the default to help carry things, hold the door, or just do simple task

They aren't trying to say you're incompetent or incapable or even trying to be mean

They aren't looking down on you or trying to say that you're not able to do it yourself

They have just been told if they are not helpful they are worthless

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u/notthatfunny_1821 3d ago

Sir you hit a nerve and now a tear is peeking out of the corner of my eye.

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u/Artemisknight1369 3d ago

That last line is the kicker "...if they are not helpful they are worthless". And contains a multitude of other issues that stem from it.

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u/Crazy_Camel_ 3d ago

i was raised a gentleman, so wanting to hold the door is just second nature

however gentlemen should also be able to allow someone else to hold the door. ill speed up to get the door first to be a gentleman but if someone else is already holding the door i will offer to take it and if they say "no" than you thank them and walk through. trying to fight over the door is rude, disrespectful, and ungentlemanly behavior. the converse should also be true though imo, if a gentleman offers to take the door from a lady then the lady should allow herself to be pampered, especially in this day and age where chivalry is on a serious decline. it isnt a weird or misogynistic thing to offer to be a gentleman unless you start a fight over it.

ladies, let us gentlemen pamper you gals a bit, and gentlemen, respect the ladies. i also agree with other comments that mention if you are both part of different groups to try and insist (again, keep it respectful, maybe even mention you are part of a group to explain the why) on taking over the door.

same goes for car doors, chairs, jackets, umbrellas, tea/coffee/hot cocoa, bags, etc. just offer, if the lady says no then respect the decision and maybe use it as an excuse to snag the door because she is carrying bags or the umbrella or what have you. nothing wrong with offering, and nothing wrong with refusing. everything wrong with insisting to the point of it becoming an issue

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u/rykruzer 1d ago

This gentleman gentlemans

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u/AlarmingBranch364 1d ago

This is how I was raised in the south. It was literally pounded and beat into my f****** head that you, the man  must treat the ladies properly, hold doors, throw your jacket over a puddle, so they can cross it s*** like that. I just do it subconsciously, at this point I don't even think about it

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u/Sea_Mess7345 4h ago

For me, it’s not necessarily that I’m worthless, but rather that it is a show that I do have manners and a gentleman. In a way, it adds to my worth?(again, not that I’m worthless if I don’t do it). But I see it can be taken to that extreme

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u/Elite_AI 6d ago

They aren't trying to say you're incompetent or incapable or even trying to be mean

They aren't looking down on you or trying to say that you're not able to do it yourself 

That is the origin of those stupid practices and it's the kind of culture those practices create. These guys may or may not be bad people on an individual level, but they are participants in the system. How we were raised isn't our fault, but being better than our parents is our responsibility. 

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u/Test-Subject__21 4d ago

How did this get down voted like this??

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u/Elite_AI 3d ago

I've long since learned you often can't find rhyme or reason in why anything gets upvoted or downvoted. 

In this case what probably happened was that my comment kind of "felt" like it was blaming guys for being raised a certain way - I explicitly said the opposite, but the first few people to read my comment read it as being more combative than it was, so it got downvoted a little. Then other people just sort of followed their lead. 

Then when I made my position more clear further into the thread my posts got upvoted because the vibes were clearly not combative.

That's my theory anyway

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u/Ok_Fam4835 6d ago edited 6d ago

100%

I wouldn't mind so much if the guys that do this shit would just listen to the many, many times women politely explain to them that what they're doing is inappropriate and sexist.  Every time I have tried, this Type of Guy has doubled down and insisted that I should just put up with having my space and autonomy violated because he's "trying to be nice" and "it's just how he was raised"

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u/lighthawk16 6d ago

You sound like a cruel person.

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u/Elite_AI 6d ago

Only if you're bad at reading

These guys may or may not be bad people on an individual level,

How we were raised isn't our fault,

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u/lighthawk16 6d ago

I think you need to re-read it again lol

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u/Elite_AI 6d ago

🤷 I was explicit that these guys can be good people and that it's not their fault how they were raised. I pushed back on the idea that this absolves us of any responsibility to change our behaviour once we learn what's wrong with it. 

I don't think that's cruel.

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u/Whole_Comfortable331 6d ago

I think that argument is a bit extreme. People can be nice without it being some psychological trauma.

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u/JTVivian56 6d ago

To be fair, despite who may be holding the door for me, I'll usually try and take their place if I'm coming in with my group so they can continue with their group and I hold the door for mine. Very much not a gender thing for me there, just don't want someone to hold the door longer than they need and have to squeeze past my people to get back to theirs.

That's all hinged on if I saw they had a group though, if they're alone holding the door, all the power to them, thank you.

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u/speedingticketqu 6d ago

this is so fair, and i appreciate you for that!! groups are definitely a different situation haha.

the scenario i described in my earlier comment almost always happened to me when it was just one or two guys, which is why it was always so baffling lol. it seemed like so much extra work, and for what! 😂

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u/JimBobTheForth 2d ago

yeah i always thought its easier if you all hold the door for whoever's behind, like unless someone's holding something you go through push it open a bit more then then go forward and the next person dose the same, as long as its not swinging shut its almost 0 force needed to keep it open and ill use my foot as i step through

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u/PonyBondage 6d ago

It’s the same reason some women insist to be the ones cooking for their boyfriends / husbands. Even if you know on an intellectual level that those gender roles are bullshit, fitting them has been internalized so much as a condition of being accepted / loved, that it’s very hard to overcome.

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u/freebird023 6d ago

They step behind me, thank me, and then hold the door while I’m holding the door and usher me inside lol

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u/ykonstant 6d ago

teleports behind you Nothing personell, lady holds door

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u/speedingticketqu 6d ago

right?? like I’ve already committed to doing this (very very) small act of kindness for you, please just accept it and let us all move on with our lives instead of doing this silly lil dance 😭

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u/MyCatsHairyButholle 6d ago

I was just raised to say thank you to any person holding a door for me, and I will likewise hold a door for any person coming in. Gender doesn’t matter, it’s just common courtesy

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u/speedingticketqu 6d ago

i just wish more people were like you! it really is just common courtesy!

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u/usr_bin_laden 6d ago

I like when life lines up to just be a series of strangers holding the door for the next. I hold the door for parents, children, the elderly, women, random dudes who look groovy, etc... it's fun to pass the door-baton and hear the kind chatter continue :)

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u/TealCatto 6d ago

Yes, or when I'm in an elevator back in the rear corner and some man in the front near the door tells me to exit first. :/ Why should I squeeze past you and waste everyone's time when we can just walk out normally when the doors open, like OMG, enough with the drama.

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u/Cav-Allium 6d ago

THATS WHY THAT HAPPENS???

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u/hmerrit 6d ago

I just say "I am an Equal Opportunity Door Holder." The normal males smile and the MAGA seethe.

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u/Chemical_Actuator238 3d ago

THIS! Exactly this.

Like, it's one thing if the guy goes through the door first and holds it open behind him for a sec since I'm right there. I'll do the same for anyone behind me, that's common courtesy.

But some guys make it into a whole street theater improv production where you're cast as the Damsel In Distress and they get pissed if you don't agree to be part of their theater troupe.

The whole "hold the door open and step back and insist I go through first like they're ushering in the fucking pope" thing is one of the best ways to make my mood instantly worse. Not to mention the guys who will fucking run ahead to make sure they can open the door for me, or the guys who've literally body-checked me out of the way to open the door that I'm halfway through opening.

Fuck chivalry. Let that fucking corpse stay dead.

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u/NoObstacle 6d ago

I've had men holding up the bus queue by insisting that I get on in front of them. Why? It's a queue, you're in front, just go on the bus!

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u/Practical-Cook5042 6d ago

I'm aggressively Canadian and will jog to hold a door. Men don't usually mind but also that may be because my Canadian overrides the woman in their mind? IDK

it's enrichment for us trapped in the US

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u/Simopop 6d ago

I was just thinking that they must be American!! lolol

Like door-holding is just so ubiquitous for us I can't think of a single time a man has tried to steal a door from me like that

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u/DrunkGalah 6d ago

Oh god that awkward moment when you're stuck holding it and someone refuses to walk through. I was raised to be a gentleman and at the age of 10 I did that for my girlfriend at the time and she felt embarrassed about it as a teacher was nearby seeing it and wouldn't walk through, insisting I go first, which in turn just made the whole thing awkward as I was already standing there holding the door. It wasn't some manly or gender-based thing, just a "it is polite to hold the door for the person behind you" thing.

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u/NorCalAthlete 6d ago

I’ve had women get offended when I held the door for them and waited. One bitched me out and said something along the lines of “do you think I can’t open a fucking door myself?” Distinct minority but it does happen on occasion. I just smile politely and let it close and walk away.

But then I’ve had others demand it and insinuate I wasn’t raised right if I don’t run around and open the car door for them before I get out / in, etc. It’s kinda exhausting and makes me stop caring either way.

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u/spiralsequences 5d ago

I had a roommate who always did this, he absolutely refused to walk through a door if I was holding it. I eventually said it made me uncomfortable and I felt like it was sexist because it made me feel like he saw me in a certain inferior way as a woman. He was so offended that it kind of permanently wrecked our relationship. I think he was really proud of "treating women right" as part of his identity, but for me I was like... can we not just be people on the same level, please

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u/Hidingwolf 3d ago

Heh, once at a gas station I held the door for a guy behind me. He froze, looking utterly shocked and appalled. Eventually I decided he wasn't coming through, and I let the door go...unfortunately, just as he stepped forward and it hit him in the face.

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u/SavagePassion 1d ago

This happens to me all the time and it's infuriating.

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u/OneOverTwo 6d ago

I get weird about people holding doors open for me because I have an irrational fear that they are going to violently slam it closed on me while I'm in the middle of the doorway, does that help?

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u/PolarStarGames 6d ago

... has this ever happened to you ...?

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u/OneOverTwo 6d ago

No, I'm afraid of karmic payback after I almost did it to somebody else as a kid

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u/speedingticketqu 6d ago

this is a hilarious response actually, you get a pass to hold your own door lol

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u/BeBearAwareOK 6d ago

Conditioning is a hell of a drug.

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u/Smacky4ever 5d ago

I got wierd with the concept of the door in general. Me as a men got the door opened by someone else then me, my brain freezes and I can t move for a second or two then I am pussing myself through the door 😅

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u/MutedAcanthisitta247 2d ago

Yess this is so relatable especially in my country because in Arab societies you're expected to do this fight about who gets to hold the door and who gets to go first even when it's 2 men 😂

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u/Prudent_End3335 2d ago

As a guy I never conciiusly knew why it bothered me....not it makes sense. I might have to adress some things in my own mind :/

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u/oneichi1 1d ago

This would be a fun and hilarious social experiment.

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u/fadedbuzzYT 6d ago

Depending on which way I'm walking through will determine if I hold it or not. If the door is swung away from me and the person is holding it then I'll just walk through. If they are walking in the same direction as me and they hold the door then I'll normally take over holding the door to allow the person to move on, and I'll hold it for the next but if people just walk past it without taking over holding the door that actually annoys me a bit especially if there's a long line of people cos when do I get to fucking move on without just letting go of the door. Sometimes to avoid this I just push my hand against the door long enough while I'm walking past, so the person behind me should get the point to hold the door.

But if they are trying to take over holding the door when it's swung away from them that's a lil weird and inconvenient lol...

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u/Whole_Comfortable331 6d ago

They're being nice. You don't have to insert "reclaiming your masculinity" into it. You want them to let you be nice, just do the same back.

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u/speedingticketqu 5d ago

the comment about masculinity was directly referencing the comment that i was replying to.
If I’m holding the door for one (1) single person and they try to fight me to take the door from my hands and hold it open for me, then NO, I don’t consider that them just trying to be nice! It’s some weird power struggle at that point.

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u/Whole_Comfortable331 5d ago

From your perspective maybe. I wonder how they would see it. I wonder how someone viewing it would see it.

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u/thatgooglygirl 5d ago

If I watch a man wrangle a door out of a woman’s hands when she was already holding the door for him, yeah it’s him that I’m going to be judging lmfao. WTF is this argument HAHAHA

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u/speedingticketqu 5d ago edited 5d ago

yes my friend, and isn’t that the whole point?
it may be them trying to “be nice,” but from the perspective of the person already holding the door, it just comes across as RUDE. Extremely so, if you insist on taking the door out of my hands.

You need to take some time to reflect on this conversation I think. You’re so close to getting the point, but right now you’re part of the problem. Your perspective isn’t everyone’s perspective.

edit: lmao okay he blocked me. i’m willing to bet he’s one of the ones that will spout “facts over feelings!!!” but can’t handle when the facts hurt his feelings. coward had to have the last word and blocked me before i had the chance to respond 😂

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u/Whole_Comfortable331 5d ago

I mean it could be your personal perception of the situation.

You calling me "part of the problem" shows me I'm probably right. Everyone else is the problem right?

I'm guessing you just took offence where was was none. Willing to bet you have a nose ring 😆

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u/thatgooglygirl 5d ago

Just chiming in here- No nose ring. Constantly insisting that it’s a nice thing despite people telling you it’s not, shows me that you’re part of the problem. My perception of /this/ situation is that you’re being an ass!

I’m guessing you’re taking offense because you’re doing the thing she’s describing, and you’re not willing to accept that you’re doing something that many other people don’t like.
Willing to bet you’re single.

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u/lllyyyynnn 6d ago

yeah it's just misogyny. melts their brain i guess

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u/Blando-Cartesian 6d ago

Nothing to do with regaining masculinity. Random acts of consideration do not happen when you are a regular guy.

You, a woman, are acknowledging a random man’s casual existence and being considerate rather than annoyed or threatened. That is such a mindfuck you can’t expect them to fluidly deal with the situation. You are behaving so strangely that turning one’s back to you seems unsafe.

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u/speedingticketqu 6d ago

walking through a door that i’m holding in a public place is unsafe? 😅
if your first reaction to someone acknowledging your existence is to feel threatened by them, then i think that’s something you may need to work on for yourself!

(i promise i say this with kindness, because I also had to work on this. growing up as a young woman, you’re taught not to trust men and acknowledging them could be dangerous. this is something i’ve had to seriously work out of as an adult since the majority of people you interact with mean you no harm! funny how there’s two sides to that coin, huh?)

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u/Blando-Cartesian 6d ago

You missed the point. As a woman, getting polite consideration from random men is normal to you. You don’t notice it. It’s the social norm. You can’t fathom experience of life where that consideration is so rare that receiving it is weird.

Of course, speaking only of people going about in public behaving in normally acceptable manner as vast majority does. Also not suggesting that this experience is specific to being a male. Attractiveness, or lack of, is probably a major factor.