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OC [OC] Same thing?

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u/Ramblonius 14h ago

Women's first experience with being sexualized is nearly getting kidnapped from the mall at age 12, men's first experience with being sexualized is just not a thing that happens for 80% of men. And even really hot men that do get objectified or sexualized are generally safe when they are.

It's just a completely different average life experience.

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u/jbyrdab 14h ago

I think another perspective is that men find appeal regardless in being sexualized because it's commonly seen as aspirational.

The ladies man was a stereotype for a reason.

You know the phrase "women want to fuck him, men want to be him". Yeah that's kinda the thing about JoJo.

I don't want to fuck any of the JoJo protags, but hell I'd love to be as musclebound as Jonathan, as cool headed as Jotaro, as suave as Joseph, and as determined as Giorno.

If your not attracted to them, they are presented as very aspirational. Most men who are presented as appealing are.

Is it a ridiculous standard, still yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a thing.

It's just glossed over because Men stand from the opposite end because men are told they ought to be like this. They will have their dreams come true if they can meet this standard.

Its not because it's safe, it's because it's what all kinds of media tells us we are expected to be. He-man, Conan, Bond, JoJo, comics, etc.

I think avoiding that both versions of this are kinda bad for their respective gender, not just sexualizing women, is why toxic masculinity has dug as deep as it has.

And I love JoJo but I know that dudes genuinely do model themselves after these kinds of characters, and we don't have a million faces coming out of the wood work to tell us that it's wrong, that we shouldn't be destroying ourselves to meet an impossible standard.

You can't put the shoe on the other foot without checking the size first. And frankly I don't think most men can fill em' despite desperately wanting to.

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u/Thicc_Jedi 14h ago

I think another perspective is that men find appeal regardless in being sexualized because it's commonly seen as aspirational.

Generalizing like this is so harmful to men and boys.

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u/jbyrdab 14h ago

It is, but your missing the point that it happens, it's a wide spread generalization.

It is presented as appealing to be like this, and it has been for decades.

These are characters you see as aspirational, body builder physiques, surrounded by women, violent, bloodied and half naked.

It's ridiculous but Conan, he-man, etc. downvote me all you please but these are what we've been serving as "man's man" for ages. It's not ok.

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u/Thicc_Jedi 14h ago

Thats entirely dependent on the content you choose to consume and the culture you happen to be born in but im not interested in your hypothesis. I have a son and the generalizations youre promulgating contribute to headlines about teachers raping young boys and adult men who cannot report assaults against them by men or women. 

If you can't make your point without falsely speaking on behalf of all men, then its probably not a good point. 

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u/jbyrdab 13h ago

thats part of the problem, and I agree its a problem.

your assuming im in support of this generalization, and not that im pointing out its present and does infact affect people and cause the exact issues your describing.