r/consulting • • 4d ago

Pretty much sums up the meeting I just had

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u/aimfuldrifter 4d ago

Clients are idiots. Consultants are idiots. PMs are idiots. Staff are idiots. Everyone is an idiot.

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u/longtermcontract 4d ago

What I say to my children: kids are stupid. So are adults.

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u/ExtinctLikeNdiaye 4d ago

If everyone else seems like an idiot, then its likely that they're not the idiots...

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u/ISungOnce 4d ago

I think they’re including themselves

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u/aimfuldrifter 4d ago

I’m the biggest of them all

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u/MissplacedLandmine 4d ago

Repliers are idiots

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u/GuaroSour 4d ago

Best answer lol

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u/Le-Mard-e-Ahan 3d ago

Your comment makes me feel as if the movie "Idiocracy" has turned into a reality (and you and I are the only two sane guys).

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u/FrontBreath3280 3d ago

Bell curve, baby.

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u/BabySharkMadness 4d ago

I have a meeting today to review decisions made in a meeting held in July.

Does anyone remember stuff that happened in July?

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u/zwat28 4d ago

I think i drank beer on the 4th day

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u/makebklynghettoagain 4d ago

I went and visited the country we fought for our freedom from. I couldn't help but think "maybe it wouldn't have been so bad"

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u/never-starting-over 4d ago

same. wait, are we in the same meeting??!!!

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u/just_nobodys_opinion 4d ago

We transcribed the meeting in Teams so Imma just g... Um... Anyone know what the default Teams retention period is?

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u/Rocketbird 4d ago

The workforce’s focus on hitting the next quarter at the expense of what we did three months ago is at the core of a lot of dysfunction in the workplace.

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u/Infamous_Ruin6848 4d ago

I assume you guys live in stoneage and there were no means to track decisions? Probably even then they wrote on cave walls.

Jokin'. I know the feeling

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u/rwqd 4d ago

you guys review decisions?

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u/wievid 4d ago

Does anyone remember stuff that happened in July?

Hope y'all made notes.

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u/ExtinctLikeNdiaye 4d ago

The fact that you're still reviewing decisions made in July suggests one or both of the following:

  1. You have no real incentive to actually get the decision finalized

  2. There isn't a real adult in the project team who knows how to actually get the decision to the finish line.

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u/LamarJacksonIsMyHero 4d ago
  1. Client is incompetent

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u/Kayge SAP. This project is a red, can you get it to Green? 4d ago

Here's a different perspective.

I'd moved from consulting where I did delivery to industry. The new company was setting up a new line of business in a new region. They call MBB in who does the analysis who come back with an IT approach of "You have <this> group doing very similar work in that same region. Leverage their platform and expand; done in 24 months for $X"

Execs love it, board signs off and eventually it comes to my group. As the presiding delivery nerd I pull out the standard CYA approach "This looks great! I'll get my team engaged and for due diligence, and to get down to the next layer of detail."

Our very first meeting starts with "Thank god you guys are here! These systems are 30 years old and barely holding on."

$X is now $10X, and 24 months passed 24 months ago.

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u/IGoOnRedditAMA 4d ago

That’s why you don’t hire MBB for IT work

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u/show_me_ur_boobies99 4d ago

Didn't need the last 3 words there

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u/ExtinctLikeNdiaye 4d ago edited 4d ago

I left consulting earlier this year and now I have to be on the other side of the equation.

I will tell you that far more times than not, the consultants think they've delivered the top picture but they're just droning on about why the approach in the second picture is better based on their proprietary methodology (which is so advanced, it lives in an Excel sheet run by a 19 year old intern who doesn't know how to use mass transit).

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u/Delicious_Oil9902 4d ago

I built maybe a third of my practices revenue on fixing these methods done by competing companies

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u/epistemic_goose258 2d ago

Yo you have a consulting live project available?

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u/oldtercio 4d ago

The excel sheet methodology is so real

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u/MBA-Crystal-Ball 4d ago

"My cup runneth over!"

- Client complaint converted into testimonial on consultant site

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u/Ornery-Display-2042 Manager / Banking 4d ago

Yo sameer

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u/CaptSpot 4d ago

Consultants optimize for logic. Entrepreneurs for consequences. Not the same. That’s why I have a problem with consultants :-)

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u/ExtinctLikeNdiaye 4d ago

Consultants optimize for billable hours and whatever the bare minimum they have to deliver under their SoW for said billable hours.

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u/RegorHK 4d ago

"Logic"

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u/shahitukdegang 2d ago

Consultants optimize for defensibility. Entrepreneurs optimize for exit valuation. Consultants can be sued for poor advice. Investors are shit out of luck if Entrepreneur executes poorly.

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u/TGrady902 4d ago

Risk analysis is a major competent of a lot of consulting…

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u/waffles2go2 4d ago

So "consequences" means 99% failure because they literally can't do business 101?

Tell me more!

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u/PotentialAfternoon 4d ago

Is it just me or “deliver clear and actionable strategy” is not clear nor actionable.

It’s just saying “get good”.

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u/Check123ok 4d ago edited 4d ago

You’re doing yourself a disservice with this. You don’t realize you are actually making consultants look bad not clients.

What a lot of consultants forget about is that they deliver strategies that sound good on paper.

Majority of consultants (especially the large influx of junior staff) who graduated from university, and work as consultant straight out of school have never run a business, have never worked at a business, don’t understand people. If they mess up, they just move on. Consequences, ethics, law are of little impact.

I was a consultant for 12 years now I run my own business.

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u/derp0815 4d ago

making consultants look bad

Don't worry, the one thing consultants can always handle is making themselves look bad, no need for OP.

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u/firenance Financial, M&A 12h ago

Good example of this. I’m in M&A and perpetuation planning.

I inherited a business from my dad after he died with no plan. I lived it. Most of my competitors have not.

The general set up trusts, consider buy/sell, is all good but the first 90 days if you don’t have someone experienced to step in and handle affairs a trust or inexperienced or disinterested trustee is worthless.

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u/Unbeatable_Banzuke 4d ago

But tee is still served

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u/gwynbleidd2511 4d ago

If it works for the client, its not wrong.

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u/Stunning_Position345 4d ago

Honestly – as a consultant myself – I oftentimes experience the work of my colleagues as the opposite of this picture. Top: client need/brief, bottom: proposed solution of consultants.

What I really sometimes despise about our profession is that many colleagues as well as even clients seem to appreciate this convoluted bs even more than just a straightforward fix of their problem / implementation of a solution. Needs to be fancy and look good on slides.

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u/mishtron 4d ago

Look, if it gets the job done...

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u/MtGayeF 4d ago

moved to the client side and i’m watching one of the strategies go through this live 😂

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u/Thistlemanizzle 4d ago

Client is killing it.

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u/Warpedt1mes 4d ago

I see consultants doing the bottom images every day.

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u/Delicious_Oil9902 4d ago

About a third of my practice is indeed fixing these things - I know!

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u/NYCHW82 4d ago

LOL this is SO accurate

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u/martin_niftypm 3d ago

This is why I think meeting transcripts alone are only half the answer. Three months later nobody wants to search through a two hour transcript to figure out what was actually decided.

The useful version is the decisions, owners, next actions and reasoning getting attached to the actual project while the context is fresh. The meeting should disappear. The decision should not.

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u/JacobAllenF 2d ago

If you can’t be clear, adapt your communication, and appreciate the client’s context and operational reality, I’m not sure whose fault it really is. There are dumb people, but a lot of misalignment isn’t a lack of capability. It’s a failure to define objectives and paths with the audience in mind: what motivates them, what information matters to them, and what roadmap they can actually use.

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u/pents1 2d ago

When instead of leveraging the strategy to deliver shareholder wealth the client instead leverages the shareholder wealth to deliver the strategy.