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u/Schermungern 20d ago
Behold my totally functional 11 mana instant win combo
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u/Legitimate-City-104 20d ago
"figure it out" is infinitely better than "it works" btw, thank you for this
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u/Cocholate_ 20d ago
Doesn't the first one die instantly as it's a creature with 0 toughness?
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u/Maleficent-Sun-9948 20d ago
No, it dies because it's a planeswalker with 0 loyalty.
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u/DarkThick2129 20d ago
[[Sanctum lurker]] will fix that, nothing stops the battle with 0 defence though.
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u/Maleficent-Sun-9948 20d ago
Maybe but that 2 card combo looks less and less like a two card combo
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u/merfolk_surprise 16d ago
well it goes to the graveyard as part of its resolution, bc it's an instant/sorcerery
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u/Solcaranth 20d ago
As long as you have a lord out, which all of your cards now are, it gets +1/+1
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u/sephirothbahamut 20d ago edited 19d ago
it's still a planeswalker without loyalty and a battle without defense or whatever it's called
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u/NayrSlayer 20d ago
Here’s my attempt at breaking this.
T1 - Forest + [[Utopia Sprawl]] (Land, Enchantment)
T2 - One of the myr mana dorks like [[Iron Myr]] + land (Artifact, Creature)
T3 - Land + [[Invasion of Ikoria]] tutoring out [[Grist, the Hunger Tide]] (Battle, Planeswalker)
T4 - Reify and Win
I’m sure you can turbo this out faster if you include instants and sorceries, but this involves only 7 cards and has redundancies with the handful of similar enchant lands, mana dorks, and dual/tri lands.
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u/B-F-A-K 20d ago
Maybe you could do something with a kindred oermanent too, like [[firdoch core]] or [[bitterblossom]], each of which can give you 3 types on their own.
T1: [[mox diamond]] + [[overgrown tomb]] + utopia sprawl naming white or blue + bitterblossom (artifact, land, enchantment, kindred)
T2: get a faerie, play a land that taps for whatever mana is missing and [[way of the pyromancer]] (creature, planeswalker)
T3: untap (no land needed), play reify, win the game.
That's 8 cards including the land you discard for the mox, so you can't have the combo in your opening hand.
You can change the overgrown tomb into green+bkue or green+white and name black on utopia sprawl.
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u/GJT0530 19d ago
Creature types and other kinds of subtypes are not "card types". Those would give you two, not three.
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u/B-F-A-K 19d ago
Kindred is a card type, just like battle and planeswalker. It's to the left of the dash in the typeline, and it's not a supertype like legendary or basic or world (for enchantments).
It allows for noncreature cards to have creature types, because you can't have a "Sorcery - Eldrazi" (looking at [[eldrazi confluence]], just like you can't have a "Creature - Aura" or a "Enchantment - Food" or a "Land - Equipment" or a "Instant - Mountain". In order for a card to have a creature subtype it has to be either a creature card or a kindred card.
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u/GJT0530 19d ago
Yes I'm fully aware that kindred is a card type, and how it works, that's why it's two and not one. Firdoch core is a kindred artifact, and bitter blossom is a kindred enchantment. Each of those is two types.
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u/B-F-A-K 19d ago
Bitterblossom gives you a creature on upkeep, and you can spend 4 to make firdoch core a creature. That's why I said they can give you 3 types.
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u/GJT0530 19d ago
You know what that's fair enough. Mild issue with the phrasing then, but the core point is solid so, my apologies.
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u/B-F-A-K 19d ago
English is not my first language, I thought that by saying "each of which can give you 3 types" it was phrased correctly. How should I have phrased it? (Honest question, because I like being precise in my language)
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u/GJT0530 19d ago
It was specifically the "on their own" I think was somewhat misleading. But you were correct, it was just the phrasing threw me off because "on their own" primed me to thinking in terms of "this card is three types" rather than "this card can get you three types". If I had been paying attention I definitely would have still understood what you meant.
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u/Brownfox408 20d ago
Balanced at sorcery. Maybe legendary sorcery.
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u/Conscious-Choice196 20d ago
It being Legendary might send the wrong signal to players by implying that Legendary is a valid type for its win condition
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u/AdmirablePatient4332 20d ago
It's not a permanent tho
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u/Conscious-Choice196 20d ago
Sure, but you need a legendary creature or planeswalker, and this implies that legendary is a type that would be counted. It's important to consider player expectations when designing cards
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u/mimivirus2 15d ago
This is unironically less toxic than a lot of the current decks in historic lol
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u/Flamesoul10 20d ago
Im only counting 5 there: creature, land, artifact, planeswalker, enchantment. Token and legendary are super-types, so they wouldn't count towards this sum i believe. However, [[bitterblossom]] adds kindred to your turn 3, only reducing the number of options you have.
Also, that's ten cards, out of a max of 11 you'd have at that point, if you went second. It's still possible, but I think we're approaching wishful thinking here.
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u/Conscious-Choice196 20d ago
The humble kindred enchantment planeswalker battle getting turned into an artifact creature: