“Bread bum” made me laugh, the rest is annoying

[u/incogspeedo]

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[u/captbasil]

Spoken like someone who has never had cheeseburger casserole...

[u/UxControl]

Well no wonder they hate casseroles so much if they think they need to put the ingredients in a blender to make it

[u/PhilRubdiez → u/UxControl]

Blend a casserole, form it into patties, and make cheeseburger casserole cheeseburgers. That’ll really put his brain in a pretzel.

[u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy → u/PhilRubdiez]

Then blend the pretzel

[u/jcGyo → u/PhilRubdiez]

Then make a casserole out of them

[u/ValhallaAir]

“Meet patty”

The Charlie Brown character?

[u/MeatballTornado]

I love casseroles specifically because there’s no rules. You can do whatever the fuck you want, put in any ingredients, blend them or do whatever, and then be like “yeah this is my Reuben sandwich casserole, deal with it.”

Casseroles are basically like “I have a bunch of random shit I don’t know what to do with so let’s just put it all together and throw it in the oven”

[u/HailMadScience → u/MeatballTornado]

Seriously, ofc its not "original dish"...they called it a cassarole bc its not the same thing. That commenter just defined what a cassarole is and then bitched that its not the same as some other dish.

[u/sadsackspinach]

The bread pervs of bob’s burgers would like a (horny) word with the bread buns

[u/Littleboypurple]

I'm confused. Does this person not know what a casserole is? Where did the get the idea that the ingredients are blended and formed into a patty?

[u/SufficientEar1682]

I too would like to meet this patty person. Maybe they know something.

[u/rapier1]

I understand them being annoyed by calling it chilli rellenos. There is a certain expectation when you call sometime by a specific name. If you order a muffuletta and they give you a toasted Italian hoagie you might have the same ingredients but it's not the same thing.

[u/pnoodl3s → u/[deleted]]

Maybe unpopular opinion, authenticity in food is overrated.

I don’t care that people of other cultures making food their way with their available ingredients. In fact, I’d love to taste and see how different it is. Who knows, it could be better than the “authentic” version I’m used to

[u/MagnusAlbusPater → u/pnoodl3s]

I agree and disagree.

I think authenticity is important. Preserving traditions and understanding the food culture of an area can best be seen through authentic dishes.

At the same time it’s equally important to evolve cuisines and there’s nothing wrong with taking risks and creating new dishes.

That being said, subreddits dedicated to a certain cuisine can and should be places where authentic versions of that cuisine and new innovations in that cuisine that stay true to the spirit of the cuisine should be celebrated.

I’m not sure a casserole meant to make a traditional Mexican dish easier necessarily stays true to the spirit of Mexican cuisine. It doesn’t look awful or anything and is probably quite tasty, but I do have a certain disdain for the whole genre of “easy to make” simplified versions of traditional dishes.

[u/Appropriate-Bird-354 → u/MagnusAlbusPater]

I think authenticity is important. Preserving traditions and understanding the food culture of an area can best be seen through authentic dishes.

One of the biggest problems here is that "authenticity" is usually just false. The "traditions" you're preserving are apocryphal, outright fake, or created after the fact... or at best, are themselves products of evolution and fusion.

So it becomes a means of preserving myth, often chauvinistic and self-serving myth. A tool for gatekeeping, sometimes bigotry.

Culture should be shared.

spirit of the cuisine

What is the "spirit of the cuisine"? Who defines that? And why does anyone need to "stay true" to it?

I’m not sure a casserole meant to make a traditional Mexican dish easier necessarily stays true to the spirit of Mexican cuisine

Why not? Half of cuisine is people trying to make something easily with what they have on hand.

I do have a certain disdain for the whole genre of “easy to make” simplified versions of traditional dishes.

Why? Who are you to have disdain for anything someone else creates?

[u/MagnusAlbusPater → u/Appropriate-Bird-354]

Just because something is the result of evolution or fusion doesn’t mean that it isn’t still authentic. A dish doesn’t have to be hundreds of years old to be the authentic version enjoyed today.

Culture should absolutely be shared which is why it’s important to respect the authentic way of doing things where the dish is from so that you can experience it the way the people from that area experience it.

I don’t have disdain for people making whatever they want to make, the disdain is primary for those recipe blogs and TikTok recipes that purposefully dumb-down dishes.

It makes it a challenge when I want to create the authentic version of a dish at home because I have to wade through tons of “easy version of x” type of blogs where they just flat out say “it’s hard to get such and such an ingredient outside of this country so just don’t bother and use this instead” or “making this from scratch takes a lot of time so just use this instant or pre-made version of it to save time”.

I’m willing to seek out those specialty ingredients, I’m willing to order them shipped from where they’re from, and if a recipe takes three days to make the right way, I want the instructions on how to do it in three days not 20 minutes.

[u/True_Window_9389 → u/[deleted]]

It’s just semantics at that point, which ends up being what this sub makes fun of. If you told someone you made a chili rellenos casserole, everyone would know what you made, more or less, assuming they knew what chili rellenos were. If you told someone you made a casserole with chilis, egg and salsa, it wouldn’t necessarily click. Authentic, maybe not, but why make day to day life harder than it has to be just because of authenticity police?

Does it matter if I make spaghetti carbonara and have to sub in bacon for a Tuesday night dinner? Nobody cares. And nobody should care if I call it “spaghetti carbonara” versus a “spaghetti carbonara-inspired dish” or “pasta with a creamy cheese sauce and bacon.” It’s really weird how offended people get because of what randos make for dinner, and what they call it.

[u/incogspeedo → u/True_Window_9389]

Totally agree! My mom used to make a dish she called “Italian hamburgers.” Tri color rotini, jar of red sauce, giant meatball in the shape of a hamburger patty, slab of cheddar melted on top. Why it was called Italian hamburgers? No idea. Do I sometimes crave it? Yep.

[u/MagnusAlbusPater → u/True_Window_9389]

I don’t see any problem with making a chile relleno casserole or making carbonara with bacon, cream, or even turkey bacon if you feel like it.

I do think there’s a certain expectation from the audience from where you post something though.

If a subreddit is dedicated to more authentic Mexican dishes they’re probably going to view a casserole-ized version as a lazy interpretation, and that’s not wrong, the OP even said as much.

Picking your forum is important. There are other subreddits not dedicated to more authentic or traditional versions of a dish where something like that would be received more positively.

[u/Jabroni-and-Cheese → u/MagnusAlbusPater]

OOP is one of the most upvoted posts on r/mexicanfood in the last several days, and the negative comments about "authenticity" are being downvoted heavily. Seems like they picked a perfectly good forum to share it in.

[u/JeSuisCie → u/Jabroni-and-Cheese]

It's not even inauthentic, I'm mexican and growing up my mom used to make a similar dish all the time. I'm pretty sure I've also seen restaurants in Mexico City that sell tacos de guisado prepare their chiles rellenos as a casserole as well.