r/interesting • u/Wonderfulhumanss • Aug 09 '26
Additional Context Pinned After 9/11, rescue dogs experienced depression from primarily finding deceased victims, so workers staged fake rescues to boost their morale
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u/Wonderfulhumanss Aug 09 '26
After the 9/11 attacks, search and rescue dogs struggled with finding mostly deceased victims, which affected their motivation due to their training to locate survivors.
To combat stress and depression, handlers staged simulated rescues, hiding or positioning themselves for the dogs to "find", providing positive reinforcement and keeping the dogs engaged.
This technique maintained the dogs' morale, allowing them to work effectively in a challenging environment, and highlighted the crucial bond between dogs and handlers in sustaining their performance.
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u/SgvSth Aug 09 '26
struggled with finding mostly deceased victims
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u/Adventurous_Ad6698 Aug 10 '26
The way humans collectively have shit on this planet, we don't deserve dogs.
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u/EastTyne1191 Aug 10 '26
Oh my God, that was hard to read. Those poor, sweet dogs.
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u/quietlyscheming Aug 10 '26
Right? I'm over here crying. Humans don't deserve them and they don't get enough time.
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u/TiggTigg07 Aug 09 '26
💯%. What a good idea that was. Respect for all rescuers…here with us and those no longer with us.💝
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u/gorginhanson Aug 09 '26
So 9/12 is gaslight your dog day
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u/CarpeDiem082420 Aug 09 '26
Gaslighting is done by people who want to control and manipulate others for the gaslighter’s personal gain and benefit.
This was done as an act of compassion when the handlers realized that the dogs’ trauma was affecting their ability and willingness to do their jobs.
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u/Global-Jury8810 Aug 09 '26
I had to award this comment. not only are you correct but I had to commend you for taking the time to explain the difference.
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u/RedditNotIncluded Aug 09 '26
Well said. What the people went through. What those who signed up to do good endured. There are stories that while being "uplifting" should never have existed. This story is one of them.
I don't enjoy reading this but it just makes me appreciate even more those who did the work that needed to be done after the thing happened.
I have some very nasty thoughts for those in power who created the possibility of it happening. Those who did nothing knowing it could happen & those who used it for their own gain after it happened.
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u/user888888889 Aug 09 '26
Reminds me of that tragedy
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u/JWST-L2 Aug 09 '26
Yeah there was that one tragedy in New York, sad stuff
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u/thatsanicepeach Aug 09 '26
This is the comment that sent me from choked up to tears falling. Jesus
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u/Canadian-Man-infj Aug 09 '26
Yep. I wasn't expecting to be watering up this afternoon; but alas! Here we are.
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u/OSHASHA2 Aug 09 '26
I heard Norm Macdonald waded through blood and bones looking for his brother in that wreck. He searched and searched to no avail. Turned out his brother was in northern Canada.
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u/thearctickat Aug 09 '26
Reading about the 9/11 rescue dogs always makes me cry and this gave me a little chuckle. Thanks for that 🥹
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u/throwawaynnfuxanyway Aug 09 '26
And this.. among like 1000 other reasons is why 9/11 jokes will never ever be funny to me. The toll this took on our nation and on everyone directly affected by this tragedy was immense and so memorable. Ask anyone where they were when this happened and they can tell you about their entire day before and after seeing this happen in real time. It was devastating.
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u/BrooklynGurl135 Aug 10 '26
Absolutely. I can recount every detail as if it was yesterday, beginnning with seeing the wayward looking plane just before and hearing the booms when each plane hit. I was just a few blocks away. But I am also reminded daily by the loss of my beloved husband who died from brain cancer brought on by exposure to the toxic fumes that lingered for months by his office, just blocks away. Mayor Giuliani announced that it was safe to go back to work downtown and now he is gone.
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u/perseidot Aug 10 '26
Yeah. I had to tell my 18 year old “too soon.”
I get that it happened 15 years before she was even born. But I’m still too raw to joke about it.
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u/Slay_Mysterio Aug 09 '26
Just sounds like what regular training would look like honestly
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u/CarpeDiem082420 Aug 09 '26
Did you actually read OP’s comment? These were search-and-rescue dogs. They were discouraged because they weren’t finding anyone to rescue.
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u/Make_Iggy_GreatAgain Aug 09 '26
So they did simulated rescues, which is similar to normal training.
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u/Slow_Bowler8285 Aug 09 '26
Does this happen to cadaver dogs since that is what they are specifically trained to find?
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u/Dipswitch_512 Aug 09 '26
No this only happens to cadaver dogs if they find too many alive people
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u/bagsli Aug 09 '26
To fix it they stage fake rescues by hiding corpses to boost morale
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u/angel-thekid Aug 09 '26
They train cadaver dogs by hiding pieces of corpses 😅
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u/Krigrim Aug 09 '26
Noooo, they put alive people that play dead.
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u/Slow_Bowler8285 Aug 09 '26
Hey we're glad your alive and all, but could you just pretend to be dead so Max doesn't get sad. Thanks.
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u/Grouchy_Tap_8264 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
These dogs were trained to find SURVIVORS, but were finding cadaver instead, so the purpose of their training wasn't satisfying the purpose that gave them pleasure and positive reinforcement; cadaver dogs are trained to find cadavers and THAT gives them the positive reinforcement they need in serving the purpose of their training.
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u/Peacock-Lover-89 Aug 10 '26
I never heard this about 9/11, but did hear it about the Oklahoma City bombing. The news story, or news show that aired the story said(and had footage) rescuers had to lay down in the rubble so the dogs could find them.
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u/Digger_Pine Aug 09 '26
They find survivors, they not gonna give up.
They not gonna stop now, they gonna work harder.
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u/FishyWishySwishy Aug 09 '26
IIRC, this actually prompted the specific training of cadaver dogs for emergency response teams. Dogs who are trained to find cadavers aren’t discouraged when they do so, but search and rescue dogs are.
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u/SkepticJoker Aug 10 '26
Weird question, but I’m so curious: would a cadaver dog be less likely to find a survivor? Surely they wouldn’t ignore them, but would they prioritize cadavers?
Seems like this would be a tough question to answer.
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u/FishyWishySwishy Aug 10 '26
I’m sure there’s an expert that could probably say.
I imagine they’d probably detect live people the way that search and rescue dogs detect cadavers? Like “this is close to what I’m looking for, but the smell is off”.
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u/SlickDillywick Aug 09 '26
I’m not entirely sure but I’m fairly sure cadaver dogs are trained to track the scent of death. Maybe even the scent of a specific dead person. They aren’t expecting to find someone alive
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u/LyrikEnte Aug 09 '26
Yes! They are trained with scent vials. Like Assistance Dogs that learn to track low bloodsugar or something like this. Dogs that search and rescue in the Woods or destroyed buildings are trained with living people. By following the trail of a person or catching some in the air. There are many different fields of special rescue dogs and each gets trained a little or a lot different. My mother used to do wide range searching and searching destroyed buildings.
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u/SlickDillywick Aug 09 '26
Yea, I’m only barely familiar with K9. Cuz all the pets my family had growing up failed K9 training. My dad was a trooper and good friends with the lead trainer, so we always had a choice of GSDs when we were interested lol
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u/LyrikEnte Aug 09 '26
Well in the end they all are good booooys (/girls) and make the sweetest family members if treated right <3
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u/SlickDillywick Aug 09 '26
Very much so! Ty would defend us to his last breath. Loved that big white doofus. (He was the only non K9 dog cuz my dad wanted a white GSD)
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u/UnattributableSpoon Aug 09 '26
Growing up, we had a white4 GSD and that's pretty much exactly how I would describe her, she was the best dog ever and she is still very missed!
She was SO goofy, but wouldn't hesitate to protect my sister and I.
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u/No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom Aug 09 '26
Just commenting here in case anyone is interested - pregnant people have a unique ability to help contribute to the training of cadaver dogs! I asked my OB about donating my placenta, and she put me in touch with a local search and rescue, and after I give birth, they come to the hospital or my house to collect the placenta and use it in various states of decomposition to train their dogs! They need human tissue to train properly, and (unsurprisingly), dead human tissue is hard to come by. But the placenta is a perfect source to help train these dogs!
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u/Strict-Wonder-7125 Aug 09 '26
This is so random but I just toured labor and delivery and they asked what my plan was to do with my placenta and I was like uhhhhhh????
So thank you, this is an amazing option
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u/No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom Aug 09 '26
Yeah I mean some people eat it, some people bury it in their yard. With my first, they asked what I wanted to do and I was like "I do not care." I was glad to find something productive to do with it!
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u/Modern_Misdoing Aug 10 '26
Yeah, I’m sure they’re lovely people with excellent skin and health…that said, I prefer to never find myself alone with somebody who ate/intends to eat their placenta. Whenever it’s mentioned, I just can’t get the visual of psychos bathing in blood for beauty/power reasons, contrasted w/ Hannibal Lector’s grinning face out of my head.
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u/No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom Aug 10 '26
It's an organ. I cannot fucking imagine eating my own organ. I guess some people dehydrate it and eat it as little pills? No, man. Trash it or train some dogs with it, just keep it the fuck away from me.
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u/Lawmakersassistant Aug 09 '26
It’s from the ratio of deceased vs living finds. They normally practice with live rescues.
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u/DIABLO258 Aug 09 '26
I imagine rescue dogs don't know whether to care if they find someone who is alive vs dead. I'm sure they'd just be happy they found someone and achieved their goal, but it's possible the dogs would get confused if the person they found didn't praise them like they might in training exercises.
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u/grchelp2018 Aug 09 '26
Depends on who they are trained to find though. If a dog that supposed to find live people are constantly finding dead ones instead then its not achieving their goal. Though I guess dogs should be trained to be happy to find both dead and alive people.
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u/DIABLO258 Aug 09 '26
I guess I don't know what they train the dog to look for exactly other than a person. It's not great finding a dead person, but you still found someone
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u/FerusGrim Aug 09 '26
animals experiencing human like emotions
Emotions aren't really unique to humans. We're pretty good at anthropomorphizing pretty much everything, but animals do experience a wide breadth of emotions--including depression.
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u/XenomorpWorldWide Aug 09 '26
Of course they experience emotions. It’s when we egregiously apply our own perception of emotions to them where it’s a problem because we fail to see their actual needs. So many videos of people thinking animals are acting happy and cute when they are in fact stressed the fuck out, but peopel don’t see it because they apply human perceptions to their behavior.
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u/FerusGrim Aug 09 '26
I'm not sure I fully understand where you're coming from. I can understand your main premise: Humans apply their own emotional perception onto an animal and aren't always correct.
You're asserting this causes a problem, but you haven't demonstrated what the problem is or, more importantly, what a potential solution might even look like. The closest you've come to describing the problem is that this attribution of emotions can be negative if the animal is actually experiencing stress, but in order for this to be a problem you have to assert what a random person on the internet could even do about it and how to fix the attribution error.
This isn't me arguing with you--I just want you to finish the thought. You're not making a point.
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u/slimethecold Aug 09 '26
This page appears to be an AI summary and seems to give a different answer depending on when you retrieve the information. It at most called these stories anecdotal and did not disprove anything. I would not trust this webpage for accurate fact checks in the future.
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u/fonetik Aug 09 '26
OP didn't make it up. There wouldn't be a rebuttal page if the story wasn't common. I recall hearing this during the cleanup too, and it was a lot more dystopian then because we didn't really realize how few survivors they were finding.
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u/no1_vern Aug 09 '26
None of the 911 rescue dogs are still alive.
The last known surviving dog from the Ground Zero response efforts was a Golden Retriever named Bretagne, who was put to rest in Texas on June 6, 2016, at the age of 16.
Bretagne like most of the rescue dogs lived to old age.
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u/anticrisis Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
She's in the first pic.
Here is her goodbye.
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u/ThatCuteNerdGirl96 Aug 11 '26
Nope. Not reading that. You can’t trick me into crying today Satan!
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u/Burakku-Ren Aug 11 '26
I was gonna say "all of those dogs are probably dead now", then wonder why I am like this. But hey, you got there before me.
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u/smythe70 Aug 09 '26
I know about Apollo, the German Shephard, he was that first dog on site and survived a fireball with singed fur and burned paws. He was awarded the PDSA Dickin Medal representing all search and rescue dogs who served at Ground Zero. Trakr, the German Shepherd found Genelle Guzman-McMillan, after 27 hours. She was the last person found.
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u/waiting_in_vain1 Aug 09 '26
I met Apollo. His handler brought him to the office where I was working at the time (it had recently reopened, and I returned, briefly) after 9/11 damage and the “frozen zone” had closed it, summer ‘02.
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u/smythe70 Aug 09 '26
Oh wow, that's wonderful but I'm sorry that you were affected. My sister worked at the federal plaza building, she returned briefly. I hope all is well with you.
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u/waiting_in_vain1 Aug 09 '26
Thank you. I’m mostly ok, and my related health issues are being monitored (and treated) through the WTC Health services (Zadroga Act stuff). But it was interesting meeting Apollo, I had no idea who he was at the time, though his handler made sure I did by the time they left
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u/smythe70 Aug 09 '26
I'm glad to hear you are getting treated, my sister's asthma was definitely worsened but she is ok. I rescue German sheps and they are my favorite dogs, very brave and loyal.
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u/Barking__Pumpkin Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
Sadly, all the rescue dogs from 9/11 died.
Edit: Kudos if you got this joke
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u/Linnaea7 Aug 09 '26
Well, yes, because it was 2001. lol. But I did have the thought that a lot of them probably suffered medical complications later on from going in, like a lot of first responders did.
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u/RepresentativeOk2433 Aug 09 '26
Possibly more so because they were down sniffing in the rubble and didnt get the same level of treatment after that humans did.
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u/Extreme_Mobile_6690 Aug 09 '26
It's not like the humans got a great level of treatment to begin with, many of them died as well
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Aug 09 '26
Didn't Michael Moore take a bunch of first responders to Cuba to actually get medical care?
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u/JustHere4TehCats Aug 09 '26
Yes he did. One of them cried over the price difference in asthma inhalers.
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u/Dgbrad8 Aug 09 '26
My aunt was one of the people called for 9/11 as she was a dog trainer that specialized in training dogs for search and rescue. Im not sure how much she was actually given as I was only 12 at the time, but I know she was given a substantial amount of money to purchase and train new dogs because all of hers were going to die of cancer or lung issues by going into the debris. I just remember really missing her giant German Shepard that was named Evil, but was the nicest dog ever.
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u/why_1337 Aug 09 '26
Yep, sniffing all that asbestos surely was not all that great for their health.
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u/BaconWithBaking Aug 09 '26
Since dogs live less than 20 years and these would have been trained/mature dogs, they'd probably not live long enough for things like cancer to mature. Think of sending the senior citizens into Fukushima.
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u/StaredgeWill Aug 09 '26
Nope. No noticeable health impacts for the dogs.
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u/Linnaea7 Aug 09 '26
That's very happy news! "However, in dogs that underwent necropsy, pulmonary particulates were reported significantly more often in exposed dogs (42/44 [95%]), compared with unexposed dogs (12/19 [63.2%])." This makes sense, but overall it seems like it didn't impact their health very much or cause early death, I guess because of their short lifespans maybe, or just luck...?
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u/StaredgeWill Aug 09 '26
I’ve read a few articles about that. Dogs don’t get asthma, so they think they’re something about their respiratory system that protected them from the damage humans got.
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u/alewiina Aug 09 '26
They all died because this happened 25 years ago lol. They were making a joke
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u/StaredgeWill Aug 09 '26
I got the joke. Others commented about the dogs possibly getting sick. That’s who I’m replying to.
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u/BrennanSpeaks Aug 09 '26
The Ground Zero vet actually ran a study about a decade later and found that they had pretty normal lifespans for their breeds. The Golden in that last picture was one of the youngest dogs deployed (only 2 at the time, I think) and was still alive twelve years later.
Anyway, Cindy Otto is a badass. She used her experience at Ground Zero to found a whole dedicated center for training SAR and other service dogs.
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u/kemicalkontact Aug 09 '26
Their respiratory systems were way better at filtering than the human first responders
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u/Successful-Purple-54 Aug 09 '26
Yes. And all the dogs who served in the pacific during ww2 have sadly also passed.
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u/jweezee Aug 09 '26
You might be right on this one. The ones that didn't get shot out of the sky probably got killed for treason for bringing the grenades back after thrown.
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u/Dapper_Ambition5963 Aug 09 '26
Yes. And all the dogs who served in Europe during WW1 have sadly also passed
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u/Papa_Hasbro69 Aug 09 '26
https://www.myolddogbook.com/?p=3705
This is actually a picture of the last surviving dog posted by OP
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u/DukeOfMiddlesleeve Aug 09 '26
That old man is now 25 years older than he used to be. Feel old yet?
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u/saltymilkmelee Aug 09 '26
He was probably like 40, people just looked older. Maybe some of that gray is soot.
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u/Multiple-Bagels Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
Gdi this is a real story 😭 poor babies.
Edit: idk why the link isn’t working but here
https://abcnews.com/US/godsend-vets-volunteers-cared-911-rescue-dogs/story?id=80041887
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u/Tall_Awareness_8435 Aug 09 '26
Why do the doggies have no protection gear?
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u/kemicalkontact Aug 09 '26
Apparently their natural respiratory systems protected them well enough.
the 9/11 dogs showed no significant increase in cancer or respiratory illnesses, and their lifespans were equivalent to—and in some cases slightly longer than—the control group, generally outliving their breed averages. While postmortem examinations did reveal higher levels of particulate matter in the deployed dogs' lungs, their respiratory systems were highly efficient at filtering, which prevented the exposure from translating into the severe illnesses experienced by human workers.
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u/Tall_Awareness_8435 Aug 09 '26
Well thanks for the info, but I was really just talking about dog shoes and a vest.
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u/MikuEmpowered Aug 09 '26
2 things:
It restricts their movement.
And more importantly, overheat.
If you look at most PPE for these sites, its usually helmet + mask, hard to make a dog mask for extended period of use because they cool by panting. And for helmet, a human tripping and falling = concussion. a dog on their 4 legs is a lot more stable than 2 feet.
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u/MadisonBob Aug 09 '26
I had e re relatives involved in the search and rescue in OKC after the bombing there.
They did exactly the same thing. People would hide and let the dogs find and “rescue” them.
That was certainly a depressing time for the folks in OKC. Not long afterwards I was in OKC for a funeral, and was sitting with an OKC city councilman (and future mayor). Guy told me all the city officials was going to quite a few funerals, and the current mayor at the time had decided not to run for reelection because of the psychological impact of the bombing and the aftermath.
After the funeral, before I flew back to NYC, I heard some really sad stories such as a 6 month pregnant woman dying in the explosion, etc.
Then a few years later I had the displeasure of being in NYC for 9/11
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u/antihuman420 Aug 09 '26
Shoutout to all these beautiful animals and first responders/rescue workers who also had parts of their lives stolen from them and a terrible useless government that turned its back on providing them free healthcare and only came to doing so when the noise got to loud about them not doing
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u/noodlum93 Aug 09 '26
This has been debunked
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u/BusinessScientist898 Aug 09 '26
Well this hasn't:
My dog's favorite thing is to find bugs in the apartment. In Melbourne we get these little carpet moths and each night before bed he checks the whole room for them. When he finds one he gets so excited, and watches while I catch it and flush it down the toilet (if he hasn't eaten it already), then he gets a treat. If I even whisper "bug" he will jump up from sleep and run to wherever I am.
But during the Winter they mostly disappear and I'd have to say "no bugs tonight" while he looked at me all sad. So I started taping little piece of soil from the potted plant to the wall before bed that he "finds" when we go into the bedroom at night. It works and now he finds a bug every night!
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u/Orbital_Vagabond Aug 09 '26
I had always heard the golden retrievers had issues with finding bodies, but the labs just straight up DGAF.
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u/save_the_wee_turtles Aug 09 '26
What about my depression from seeing nothing but bots posting the same shit over and over again on reddit
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u/millijuna Aug 09 '26
No, this is not correct.
To the dogs, the search is just another game. In order for games to be fun, and for the dogs to maintain interest, they need to win periodically, otherwise they just stop playing the game because it's not fun. The dogs didn't get depressed because they kept finding bodies, they got bored because they didn't find what their target was.
Contraband search dogs at the airport have the same situation, every so often they'll stick a spiked bag in the queue for the dog to find. If they don't, the dogs get bored and stop playing the game.
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u/Decent_Risk9499 Aug 09 '26
That third photo really brings back how horrible the weeks after the attacks were. Smouldering debris, hearing day after day more bodies found, the sheer uncertainty of what happens next...
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u/Commercial-Sail-4662 Aug 09 '26
Were they sad because mission unsuccessful or because they genuinely wanted to find someone alive?
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u/Zealousideal-Beat322 Aug 09 '26
Esto está mal enfocado: a esos perros no les importaba si el objetivo de su búsqueda estaba vivo o muerto, lo que les importaba era la respuesta de su adiestrador y el entorno a su hallazgo.
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u/ThechosenoneBatman Aug 09 '26
Dogs are the greatest souls on planet earth. Cherish them if you have them and be thankful for all their truly unconditional and support
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u/BrianOBlivion1 Aug 09 '26
Imagine all the poisonous particles both humans and dogs were breathing in.
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u/stealthyshot Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
One of those golden retriever was the father of my late golden retriever. We got him after his holder passed away. Gave him the best life until he was 13 years old. Rest in peace Flynn (firefighter) and Huddlestone ( fire rescue dog)
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u/fricken Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
I went on a date once and she told me she adopted a rescue dog.
She said it was high strung because it hadn't been treated well.
I said "Oh, I thought Rescue Dogs were well taken care of."
"no", she said like I was a moron.
It wasn't until days later I figured it out. There are rescue dogs and there are rescue dogs.
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u/TardDistraction Aug 09 '26
As I guessed, this is completely made up engagement bait.
I wouldn't be suprised if OP was an engagement bot.
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u/Distinct_Run9006 Aug 09 '26
If it makes you feel any better, none of the dogs who worked on 9/11 live stressful lives anymore
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u/OlDustyTrails Aug 09 '26
Doggies need a morale boost too working in the emergency services area. More mental health should be available for those who are required to do these jobs, especially with all of the things that they end up experiencing and seeing.
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u/Lister0fSmeg Aug 09 '26
That last pic of the retriever sleeping on a stretcher after god knows how many hours of searching 😍
We don't deserve dogs.
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u/AdventurousVast6510 Aug 09 '26
i am not a dog owner & am not familiar with how emotionally intelligent dogs are. i did not know dogs could experience depression from things like this
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u/IKIR115 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Huge thanks to the community members below who took the time to provide a source! You guys are awesome! ❤️
Comments listed below in the order they were posted, but first here's a snippet from https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/four-legged-911-heroes which is from the official organization that manages the National September 11 Memorial & Museum.
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