r/marvelstudios • u/Charming_Material_61 • 1d ago

Discussion Two people who literally LOST EVERYTHING and STILL chose to do good..

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There are countless characters that went through challenges, but none like them.

I will forever look up to these two individuals for what they have always done. No matter what they went through, they still chose the right path.

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u/Tom_Stevens617 1d ago edited 1d ago

Wanda should be up there. Thor, while he has faced tragedy upon tragedy for the last 10-15 years, still got to live a life of luxury as a royal Asgardian prince for his first 1500 years

Wanda had maybe 7 years of a normal childhood before her parents were murdered and she and her brother were totured for years

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u/Krisztian987 1d ago

Wanda became a villain tho, Thor and Spidey didnt

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u/Tom_Stevens617 1d ago

The Darkhold corrupted her, she wasn't beyond saving if she had someone like Clint or Steve during those times.

But yes, fair enough still

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u/Sunshine145 Spider-Man 1d ago

She wasn't corrupted in Westview

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u/NewBr1tishEmpire 1d ago

But she fixed it in the end, to her own detriment. She was a good person by the end of the show, before the Darkhold did its Darkholding

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u/RadiantLindon 1d ago

.....Yes, she was. Trauma corrupts. Trauma combined with mental illness especially.

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u/Tough-Librarian8599 1d ago

thor has trauma and never put his hands on a child

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u/RadiantLindon 1d ago

Yes, different people handle Trauma differently. Thor had better support and opportunities. He was also mentally healthy, Wanda wasn't.

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u/Dxwalsh12 1d ago

Yes that's the point of the post. Thor and Spiderman both suffered equal levels of trauma, and persevered. Wanda did not

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u/Tom_Stevens617 1d ago

I mean, she's still to blame obviously since she kept it going on for months, but she didn't cause it intentionally. It was an accidental thing that happened due to her extreme grief. And once she was in it where her dead husband was back and she had two (not real, but still) kids, I would daresay that 70-80% of people could not bring themselves to leave that regardless of the cost

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u/ogrezilla 1d ago

that's some good villain logic

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u/BS0404 1d ago

I went to check because I didn't remember about how long she had control over Westview, it was like 2 weeks at most.

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u/Green-Warning-886 Jimmy Woo 1d ago

and she literally had no one left only her kids

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u/hero-WITHin_33 1d ago

Not yet at least

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u/____mynameis____ Winter Soldier 1d ago

Wanda is not even a comparable example cuz her power set makes her more susceptible to doing harm, even if she doesn't intend to

Like, for eg, her grief outburst at westwiew

If Thor was in her place, it would been like a shot of lightening

And that's it. He drives away.

Wanda's case, it manifested as the sitcom westwiew. Something hard to understand and easy to get deluded about. Which heavily changes how the person reacts to it.

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u/NathanLV 1d ago

Wanda didn't lose as much as Thor because she never had as much as he did, which isn't a dig at her, just facts.

Thor was a prince, heir to the throne, loved and celebrated by his people, wealthy in a way that makes Elon Musk look middle class. And he lost everything: his position, his family, his people, his world. He could have walked away at any point, said "I've given enough" and no one would blame. He chooses to fight.

Wanda's story is tragic for sure. Everything she had kept being taken from her. Bomb killed her parents, she joins Struckers enhancement program so she can get revenge. Ultron killed her brother. She sacrificed her love for the sake of the universe, only to watch that sacrifice be made moot when Thanos reversed time and murdered Vision in front of her. And it broke her. Once Thanos was defeated she went to Westview and retreated into a fantasy world. OK, trauma is brutal and she hurt people but she can be redeemed right? No. Instead she doubles down and uses black magic to try to kidnap a couple kids from an alternate universe and, oh yeah, murder a teenage girl to steal her power "just in case the kids I abducted get sick or something." She's not a hero.

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u/Spider-Flash24 1d ago

Brother, she held an entire town hostage and psychologically tortured its residence before going on an unhinged murder spree across the multiverse to kill a child so she could kidnap her nonexistent children from another version of herself. She should NOT be up there. Tragedy doesn’t excuse crimes, which is why she is not in the same category of Thor and Peter. She did some heroic and sacrificial things, but she wasn’t exactly a hero when she died.

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u/PowerOfUnoriginality 1d ago

You being downvoted concerns me. Wanda was a straight up villain

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u/Tom_Stevens617 1d ago edited 1d ago

Right, because vulnerable teens can never be manipulated into doing something a well-adjusted person would not do

Some teens "willingly" sleep with 50yo people. That is about as "willing" as Wanda and Pietro were when they joined Hydra

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u/Unusual_Club_550 1d ago

isn't there litrally a scene where cap says that they did the saem thing he did.

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u/LampIsFun 1d ago

God some people are so selfish. What do you mean you wont give up your life to save a bunch of people?

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u/Boring_Newspaper5796 1d ago

so are we just gonna ignore her motivations for that?

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u/Endles5Earth 1d ago

It’s all fake to begin with yall are all kinda weirdos for arguing about it to begin with

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u/RadiantLindon 1d ago

Wanda made bad decisions under the crushing weight of trauma and abuse. You wouldn't do any better.

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u/PolarWater 1d ago

HULK SMASH!!!!!!!

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u/____mynameis____ Winter Soldier 1d ago

Hydra is bad wrt Americans.

For war torn Sokovians who were victims to American military industrial complex, do you think they'd be like "Hydra is bad" when they are offered an opportunity to get back against people who destroyed their lives?

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u/Asuru_ 1d ago

Does that not make her good? If we go by your logic half the MCU heroes will be considered bad lol