I tip very generously when dining at a restaurant or at a bar, but I refuse to tip for this type of shit unless they did something way beyond the norm for me. It can't become normalized.
It’s not the people behind the counter expecting the tip for making your food. It’s the business owners hoping you’ll tip the people back there because in the big beautiful bill there was a clause that if workers make a certain amount in tips, they can drop the wages to server wages. They are hoping enough people will buy into the tipping to further shift the responsibility of paying their workers away from them and on to the customer.
If it’s not a sit down restaurant - don’t tip. Businesses are trying to screw us all with this shit.
They usually charge a percentage of the transaction, so if they can make the sum increase by ten percent by adding a ten percent tip option, they'll make ten percent more. If you pay your bill and tip your server in cash afterwards, they don't get a cut.
Forcing the interaction is so low bar and restaurants know it.
Like the 7brew that my wife likes going to near our house. All they do is walk to your car and take your order. All high school aged kids and they shove the thing in your face asking for $2,3,4 tips. Then you had the tablet back to then where it shows the total and whether you tipped or not. So then your left wondered if the speed or quality of your drink is compromised from not tipping. The drinks already suck imo from there too.
It is true. The BBB did a whole lot more than just remove the tax on tip. That’s just the part that was promoted so that people didn’t pay attention to the point about companies lowering pay once they reach a threshold in tips.
Not everything in the BBB made the news. There’s a bunch of shit in the BBB that never got into a news cycle which was the point of the BBB. Make it too big for the news to cover.
I watched the senate hearings though and heard them deliberate on this point for hours. Only a couple democrats objected to it and it got left in.
AI is trash. I could get it to tell you whatever I wanted to pretty easily. It’s one of many reasons I don’t use it. I don’t care if you don’t believe me. I watched them discuss it on the senate floor. I know what got slipped in. You don’t have to believe me. It’s fine. Just don’t be surprised if 10 years down the road when we start seeing cashiers being paid $2.13 hr + tips. It just means enough people people them to make the change.
Did you graduate high school? I said owners take tips from employees, then I said my manager took tips. Good lord. Just put the coffee in the cup m'am.
It seems like the "owners" statement was a general prediction, and the "manager" statement was a personal anecdote. They were not both in reference to a single instance.
I'm mildly confused, why are you so annoyed about someone saying this? I guess it's an overplayed trope, but it's not like it doesn't happen in real life.
It is. It just got little attention because of all the other stuff in the BBB that scared people more. There’s a bunch more in there that people still don’t know about.
Going to the business but not tipping pays all the business' bills, just not the server that actually did the thing you went there for, you're reinforcing the system when you do that and are part of the problem. You don't want to tip, don't go to places that don't pay their workers enough they don't need to ask for tips, or get off your high horse. You live in a society where people are forced to work and take these kinds of jobs if they want to pay their bills and you know it.
Let's say they are getting a generous 20 per hour. Each hour that's $20.
Now let's say they work 5 tables that hour, and each table averages $50 bill and tips 10%. That's $5 per table. But you do that 5 times, giving you $25 per hour. That's with probably a smaller bill and a smaller tip.
That’s irrelevant. I didn’t say shit about servers getting paid minimum wage - which is what servers do not want. If they got paid a living wage, they wouldn’t care about hourly pay.
I said companies are trying to move more people onto server wages - which we should not allow. It should not be our responsibility to pay the labor for businesses. That’s the responsibility of the owners.
Dawg, you pay for the labor of employees when you buy something right now.
You can pretend that there is some grand scheme behind it but there isn’t. Most servers prefer to be paid with tips because they can earn more money at a lower tax rate.
Yeah they get nothing now. Before the no tax on tips things I might have given up to 10% and rarely for stuff like a well made drink I still do but if you just handed me food you don't get a tip. I was also previously a 20% tipper but I've moved down to 10-15% No tax, right? So it's like tipping the same. I don't get a substantial part of my income tax free and the economic situation isn't good so I can't budget to tip like I used to.
I've even seen some people talking about companies defaulting to tips everything, even for selling you stuff online. Not the delivery driver or whoever picked the wares, just the online shop itself.
they expect tips for handing you food. not just making it. literally grabbing a bag of chips and handing it to you. at a concession stand. operated by people fulfilling their volunteer hours for whatever sport their kid is in.
They're hoping you'll tip so they can pay their bills. They're underemployed and you want to benefit from their exploited labor but feel like you're the one being slighted for being asked to pay the fair amount because the owner won't. If you hate tipping then you just can't go to the business, because if you buy something but don't tip you are giving the business it needs to survive, but not the workers. If that system works for the owners why would they ever change it? Either don't go to these places at all or stop pretending you're part of the solution, you're not.
I made fresh deli sandwiches to order at my college job for 4 years. Just me working. Good stuff too if I do say so myself. Not a single person ever tipped me nor did I ever even think that I should get tips. I was just doing my job. Now to think fucking Subway asks for a tip while they assemble your nasty sandwich, the audacity lol.
Yeah my rule is if I'm standing to order, then I'm not tipping. I'll tip at sit down restaurants, bars, and for delivery, but if I'm walking up to the counter and then waiting for my food, I'm not tipping.
I usually pick up my pizza from one place, they have a tip jar out and I love the owners, so I’ll usually throw them a $5 every other time I go. Ever since I started tipping, they throw in a free slice of my choice.
I mean you can say what you want keyboard warrior I don’t care. They don’t ask for a tip, the jar is out if you WANT to. But I guess thank you? Or fuck you? Not sure what you wanna hear, but my personal choices should affect. Again thank you for being concerned about my financial choices maybe?
i tipped for pizza delivery when there was no delivery cost, there was no service cost, the pizza always came hot and the pizza cost £12 and you got 50% off for the second pizza.
When pizza is £24 a pizza and the only way it's remotely affordable is a 50% off code, when 4 cookies is £6, when they put a £3 automatic delivery cost on top of the pizza, fuck you getting a tip, you're already being paid.
New one I encounter is I walk up and put in my order and they bring over what I ordered. Of course, I don't know this ahead of time and the machine asks for a tip. I never tip fast food, but now they're bringing my order over instead of me waiting at the counter. I still don't believe this requires a tip, but upscale fast food restaurants are starting to try and blur the lines to get you to tip.
The rule I read on here a while back that I’ve since adopted is “if I’m standing when I order, no tip.” It’s hard at first but then you get used to it.
Edits: Bars obviously excluded but I don’t drink so it didn’t really apply for me
I refuse to tip before service. It makes no sense to me that you're asking me to tip THEN hope I'm given exceptional service afterwards. That's not how that works.
Thank you! The word TIPS is from the olden days; it was to push a coin forward in the bar/pub — To Insure Prompt Service ! I actually went to a bartender school in the 80’s where you were certified for a professional job and we learned a lot about the profession. For myself I ended up getting a 13 year career in Palm Beach, Fl with three months off June, July, and August to do whatever I wanted (I traveled the world!) and have a job to return to. I worked extremely hard for those nine months and I know that I earned my tips. They were the roaring 90’s for me lol
Tipping was mostly a way for racists to get away not paying freed enslaved people a "white person" wage:
You might not think of tipping as a legacy of slavery, but it has a far more racialized history than most Americans realize. Tipping originated in feudal Europe and was imported back to the United States by American travelers eager to seem sophisticated. The practice spread throughout the country after the Civil War as U.S. employers, largely in the hospitality sector, looked for ways to avoid paying formerly enslaved workers.
Brit here. Can someone please explain this aspect of US tipping culture for me - why is it normal for a bartender to expect a tip for taking the lid off a beer bottle but hella cheeky for a batista to expect a tip for making a drink specifically to your order?
Bartenders generally get most their pay on tips (because that get tipped for every drink) so they usually get paid really low wages whereas a barista is usually higher per hour pay (always minimum wage) and not expected to make most their pay on tips.
That being said, if you plan on making more than 1 trip to the bartender, I think the general belief is that bartenders don't really remember people who tip, but will remember those that don't. If you don't tip, they will ignore you the next time and it will be a pain trying to get another round of drinks at the bar.
Somehow bartenders and servers are allowed to have a set hourly rate way less than minimum wage ($2.13/hr when I did it). For restaurants without sit down service at the table, all employees are required to get federal minimum wage (more if required by state law).
I'm not an expert in this, just had some experience in that industry, someone correct me if wrong.
Some states (like Texas) allow for baristas to be paid as "tipped employees" and have to have their sub-minimum wages filled out with the tips from customers. Luckily most baristas expect better, but small town business owners will try to pay their baristas like wait staff if they see it as a way to cut costs.
The funny part about that is that if no one tips, they still get paid whatever minimum wage is for non-tipped employees. The tipped minimum is just so that their tips make up the other portion to bring them at or above the normal minimum.
Yeah in an ideal world. But a lot of people don't know that the employer is supposed to fill that gap to meet the minimum, so many people are tricked into only being paid the sub-minimum wage even if they get no tips by shady employers. Wage theft if one of the largest forms of theft if the US if you look at the value lost, and is horribly under regulated/enforced.
In all states the minimum wage applies. If your tips don’t bring your wage up to minimum wage then the employer has to pay you. Tipped wages of 2.13 from the employer only apply when the employee makes enough in tips to meet or surpass minimum wage.
My point is that I. Some states there is no lower minimum wage for tipped workers. They get paid normal minimum wage or more regardless of tips.
So assuming you get enough tips to be over minimum wage, in CA you still have to be paid $7.50/hr, while in FL you can be paid $2.xx (or whatever it is now).
The problem is that this aspect (the employer having to fill any gaps between the minimum wage and the sub-minimum you were hired under) isn't well known by employees leading to a huge problem with wage theft from sketchy restaurant owners.
Those sketchy restaurants should be reported to the department of labor for wage theft then. I live in a southern state not known for being worker friendly but even here our department of labor is very effective and efficient with wage theft claims.
Oops I mistyped my message. I was trying to point out that the problem is not enough workers know that they are entitled to a full minimum wage and don't know to track/report these things
Wage theft gets thrown around a lot but it very rarely applies to blatant "stealing" of a worker's wages (such as taking some of their tips).
Wage theft is more about directly not paying someone for their work. It most often applies to having someone scheduled for a certain amount of hours, but then squeezing more work-time out of them (not giving them the required amount of break time or lunch hours even though it is scheduled for on paper, or allowing them to work past their scheduled hours but not clocking that time to avoid paying overtime, etc.). Wage theft is often a lot more subtle than stealing tips from employees.
bro i was making 12 an hour when i bartended plus split tips between me and the 3 other bartenders we were taking about 200 a night in tips ontop of base taxed at 15 flat due to some shit the place i worked cooked up with the irs.
Some baristas also make tipped wages ($2.15/hour)
It's not typical in the industry because it's harder to sell potential employees on it, but I worked at one like that once. We made sub-minimum wage and the employer used customer tips to fill out the rest. Technically legal (at least in my state with poor worker protections)
Oh I would if I could, but relocating with a family of 5 with pets is not so simple. Applications we have put in for jobs out of state have not turned up viable results. The hunt continues.
Yep. And since more and more places are asking for tips I wouldn't be surprised if we see more occupations quietly trickling over to the "tipped wages" model of pay and just expecting the customer to pay half or more of the employee wage directly on top of the cost of good and services.
Central London for last few years put on a 12.5% service charge.
My local pub in South England just had a tip machine like above when I went to pay for my burger and chips/pints. I did pay a 10% tip because they came out to the back garden to bring me my food.
I did pay a 10% tip because they came out to the back garden to bring me my food.
Shouldn’t have done that even, it’s literally what their salary is for. Why do you think pints at the pub are a tenner instead of £2, the price of labour is already factored in!
I’m a Brit that lives in Canada. It’s stupid and makes absolutely no sense. You go to collect an order you made online and they ask for a tip. It’s insanity. I asked a Canadian a while ago how much they tip for bad service. They said 12%… THE ANSWER IS 0, it’s absolutely mental
I never really understood it either. And people will suggest you tip a few bucks for cocktails. They’re not that hard to make, and well that’s part of the job bud. But yeah popping a beer cap, lmao get real.
The main difference, really, is whether or not the person makes a normal wage vs a tipped wage. If a significant enough portion of someone's wages is EXPECTED to come from tips, then they can be paid a "tipped" wage which is quite a bit less than the normal minimum wage (something like $2.35 an hour for tipped wage vs $7.25 an hour for normal minimum wage; these are federal minimums so states can differ).
Bartender jobs are expected to earn quite a bit from tips so they generally receive an hourly wage from their employer that is less than minimum wage. Barista type jobs, which would also apply to pretty much any fast food as well, get paid normal wages, so tips at those establishments are not expected.
As a side note to the above: if someone makes a tipped hourly wage that is less than the normal minimum wage, and they do not get enough tips to raise their hourly wage to the normal minimum wage, the employer makes up the difference so that no one gets paid an hourly that is less than the normal minimum wage.
So when places like a coffee shop, where no one is being paid a tipped hourly wage, it can get quite annoying for every transaction to include a prompt to provide or deny a tip.
California has no separate tipped wage. $16.90 across the board for minimum wage. Well, actually not across the board... Los Angeles, for example, is $17.87. And, I'm just learning, fast food is $20.
The only reason I still tip is because I know this place is expensive af, and people still aren't living on $40k/year (2k hrs/year @ $20/hr)
I don’t know about you, but I never feel guilty for paying the listed cost that an establishment has determined to be sufficient to cover the manufacturing, sale, and profit margin for an item. In fact, if I have a coupon to make it less than the listed cost, I still don’t feel guilty.
The other main exception I'd have is if it's kids working.
Like a summer ice cream stand that has high school kids working there or concessions at the local sports park or whatever. They can get an extra dollar or two in the jar.
Kids don’t have actual financial responsibilities typically- for them it’s fun money. If I’m going to be generous with my money I’d rather give it to an adult who has bills to pay, mouths to feed.
This is a valid sentiment, but unfortunately a lot of high school kids are also working to keep their family afloat these days. Cost of living means all hands on deck for some families.
Tipping at bars is dumb as shit too. Here's an already overpriced beer, you better throw in an extra dollar for all the hard work of removing the bottle cap
Silly question but I’m Irish so I don’t know. Do you give a tip on EVERY drink or at the end of your time in the pub? I feel like a trip for every drink is so much
Another framing of this is - why do you frequent places that a) are not honest with their business costs b) are not honest with their menu pricing c) are not advocating for their staff?
I ordered a pizza from our local place to support them instead of name brand ones last month.
Went down ordered +$60 worth of pizza and paid in advance as requested. They had a tip option which I asked the owner, how do I know what to tip until I've come back in 30 minutes as you said to pick them up?
He was clear: the tip will determine how quickly and how well done the pizza will be for you.
I couldnt bring myself to pay more than 10% and did have to wait 5 minutes to pick up my pizza later in the evening.
"I tip very generously when dining at a restaurant or at a bar, but I refuse to tip for this type of shit unless they did something way beyond the norm for me."
You imply you tip every time you are dining in a restaurant - what did staff there do that was 'something way beyond the norm for (you)', then?
...And the time before that?
Yeah I suppose it's almost the same thing but bartenders rely on tips for the wage here in America. Yes I know it's not good but that's how it is. If no one tips a bartender they're making well under minimum wage. The person at a coffee shop or whatever is making at least minimum wage and tips are extra and not expected.
The practice of tipping only helps to suppress wages. When service workers are expected to earn their wage from the customer, they have less leverage to demand more from their employer.
A lot of tipped workers support the practice because they feel like they're earning more that way.
I hate the idea of tipping for a service you haven't even received yet. What if the service turns out to be shit? Too bad, you already tipped ahead of time. It feels kind of extortive. Instead of "You gave me good service, so I'm going to give you a good tip" it's more like "Give me a good tip or else I might give you bad service".
same. I will not tip for takeout. Fast food asking for a tip is ridiculous.
and I used to tip 20% minimum at restaurants. now that they are extra greedy, I am much more stingy on my tips. Only 20% if you do amazing. Anything worse you get 15% or less. End of story.
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I tip very generously when dining at a restaurant or at a bar, but I refuse to tip for this type of shit unless they did something way beyond the norm for me. It can't become normalized.