r/mildlyinfuriating • • 11d ago

I just wanted a hot dog These tips options

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Mildly cause at least I can custom

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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 11d ago

It's simply the owner of the establishment putting the responsibility of paying for labor directly on the customer, so that the owner can enjoy more profits.

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u/determineduncertain 11d ago

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve argued this and how many times people say “but yes, staff like it” as though underpaying staff is justifiable.

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u/MorethanSupple 11d ago

The only people benefiting the most from tips are waiters at high-end restaurants. Waiters at smaller restaurants barely make anything off tips. Not to mention they have to pool their tips with other staff who may not be working as hard.

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u/S4Waccount 11d ago edited 11d ago

Ya, that's not really true. High end establishments obviously make more, as you would expect from any industry, but waiters at Mom and Pops still make more than their hourly workers in the kitchen because of tips. Hence they still argue to keep it this way because it's going to still come out to a fair upgrade from minimum wage the majority of the time. It's why I don't feel bad when they get on here whining about one person stiffing them. Tips, like sales, are a feast or famine design and they always argue to keep it, then want to get mad when it's the ladder. It's almost always working out in their favor or they would find a different job as a waiter, which are normally easy to find, or traditionally have been.

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u/awry_lynx 11d ago edited 11d ago

You say "the only people benefiting the most" but that's a very narrow category of "most". Plenty of wait staff benefit from tips, there is a wide range of benefiting "less than the most" under that. No matter where people try to introduce banning tips, wait staff is against it, and it's not just the tiny minority making the most, it's literally over 85% against replacing tips with higher min wage - which is pretty damn close to universal when it comes to voting on any subject.

The vast majority of waiters make far more with tips than they would with even a reasonably high base wage. I'm not saying that's somehow undeserved, personally I know I'd be terrible at that job, but like. I know ex-wait staff who took a pay cut from being a server to working a desk job. Of course there's more upward mobility and benefits and PTO and so on but we're just talking about hourly wage, and it can't get high enough to replace tips.

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u/DemonLordSparda 11d ago

They'll change their tune as the economy gets worse and people eat out less.

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u/allthat555 11d ago

I mean your confidently wrong but ok. Dude I work at a fucking wafflehouse of all things in western NC and I make over 25an hour average because i'm a good server. Im working my ass off for it and have a vary lovely regular customer base who i thank profusely for their generosity but its def not just high end servers.

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u/dawgsheet 11d ago

Average hourly tipped wage at low end/chain restaurants is typically 30-40 an hour.

That's absolutely bonkers, and if it was paid by the owner, that wage would be cut in half overnight.

Everyone benefits from tipping culture besides the consumer.

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u/Chrismclegless 10d ago

So the simple remedy as a consumer is to STOP TIPPING

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u/dawgsheet 10d ago

Yeah but the vast majority of people do tip, making a personal stance against it won’t change it.
Because all sides are defending and perpetuating it, only changes on the law/wage side could shift the perception.

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u/Chrismclegless 10d ago

True, but it removes the impact on you, the consumer.

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u/dawgsheet 10d ago

Yeah but without the change, you’re only harming the employee. The employer doesn’t care.

The right thing to do is not hurt the employee because you’re unhappy with the employer.

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u/Chrismclegless 10d ago

You've gone 180. A minute ago you were saying that the only person harmed by tipping culture is the consumer. The staff are arguing FOR tipping for precisely this reason. They're getting 30-40 per hour, according to your numbers, so they can absorb it. If waiting becomes not financially viable then wages and prices will be forced to adjust.

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u/CommanderChiliHole 11d ago

Well, most wait staff like it because they make far more money than they would from a flat rate, plus now the tips are tax free (for 2 years until that provision of the One Big Billionaire Handout expires).

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u/determineduncertain 11d ago

Thanks for proving my point?

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u/moogly2 11d ago

Owners could raise prices and pay flat wage, but no one would want to work there. The biggest opponent to “fair wage” is the servers, as they can make 2x or more of flat wage

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u/PeeGlass 11d ago

In every industry employee labor is paid for by the customers.

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u/UbaidReptilian 11d ago

true but its all I have experience in so I'm stuck living off tips for the time being

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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 11d ago

And there’s nothing wrong with that 

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u/Sharp_Ad5783 11d ago

Literally everything is wrong about that

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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 11d ago

I’m making more profits 🤷 

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u/WeevilWeedWizard 11d ago

At the detriment of literally the entirety of society