r/movies • u/Top_Report_4895 • 20h ago
Article Broadcaster France Télévisions Warns Far-Right Would Crush French Cinema
https://variety.com/2026/film/global/french-broadcaster-france-televisions-far-right-would-cinema-1236914014/37
u/robophile-ta 14h ago
Isn't French cinema, at least for genre, already fucked? I keep hearing from French horror directors like Ducorneau that they have to get funding and distribution abroad because the French industry poo-poos genre films and nobody goes to see them.
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u/metacoma 12h ago
Genre cinema is a pain in France, too little of a market for already a niche genre….
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u/Strong_Ad_2632 13h ago
Yes, I'm all for funding of public care and even culture to some extent, but french cinema is a shit show, centered around always the same kind of french sub-culture (rich Parisians/ nice/cannes) like the rest does not exist, and only made to satisfy the ones giving the subventions taken from all cinemas money.
Or it's canal productions which is heavily political against anything that is not money mindset, shitting on hippie part of France.
This last one would stay tho. The group IS pushing far right right now.
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u/LCX001 13h ago
I don't know about horror but in terms of arthouse filmmaking France is the best by a country mile. They still make the most interesting films around imo, people just don't watch them. Even directors outside of France come there to make films. Albert Serra, recently Hamaguchi, Jarmusch, Wiseman, Nemes and Linklater.
Bruno Dumont, Leos Carax, Philippe Grandrieux, Claire Denis, Arthur Harari, Alain Guiraudie, Oliver Assayas, Bertrand Bonello, François Ozon, Emmanuel Mouret etc. plenty of exciting directors around.
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u/AwTomorrow 12h ago
Huh, most I talk to see modern french arthouse as stuck in a rut repeating the same formulas recently. Even Korea’s film scene in crisis is putting out more interesting fare. Japan is kind of in a similar spot.
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u/Xehant 12h ago
I'm French and I can't remember last time I saw a French movie
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u/Poil-dans-la-main 3h ago
Well, for one I went to see Monte Cristo and De Gaulle 1 & 2.
But I'm guessing this ain’t the kind of cinema the guy in the article is talking about. More like a specter between "racist and homophobic bigot learns to accept his transgender son with a few lame jokes in-between" and "life is so fucked and I'm so depressed I gotta tell everyone about it in a 5-hours long movie".
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u/aasfourasfar 13h ago
Yeah they have a greaaaaat tradition but the contemporary production is utter dross
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u/Amdusiasparagus 13h ago
Phenomenal history with the French New Wave, cahier du cinema, Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Michel Audiard's dialogue, and so forth and so on.
The current French production is... lackluster, to say the least. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of the funding and subsidies directors can get, because making return on investment an imperative means directors doing less original/risky things than they otherwise would, so at the core I'm all for it.
Problem is the same as in any other art sector: a bunch of nepobabies and well-placed people hogging said subsidies to chain-produce pointless shit while more creative minds can only dream about that amount of support.
This goes deeper than cinema though and shouldn't be reduced to it. For years now there's a well-documented trend for big medias to go more and more right, either through being bought by rich people or public broadcasts giving a wider and wider platform to alt-right speakers while the left is lumped into "alt-left" and pushed aside. Further still, there's a tendency to rewrite history in a way that suits these same people. There's an ongoing debate about the Puy-du-Fou, a theme park/recreation of a medieval city and events. Historians are, shall we say, a little dubious about the veracity of everything explained there. Far right thinkers absolutely adore it.
Them getting more and more into the media and cinema in particular is rightfully seen as another push to both impose ideas and offer a vision of history that suits them.
Or in short: shit's complicated and bleak, yo.
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u/castorkrieg 14h ago
Nobody goes to see them because they are overwhelmingly boring. You saw one French movie you have seen 90% of them.
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u/greenpill98 20h ago
Is it doing well now? Legit question. I know nothing about french cinema and whether it has been doing good or bad lately. Or ever.
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u/NeuHundred 14h ago
I don't know numbers but it seems to be pretty solid, they make movies on a consistent basis and the audiences show up for them, theatrical and television. They also evidently have really good working conditions, reasonable hours that lets crew actually be home with their families and like a full hour for lunch.
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u/adabsurdo 17h ago
French cinema tradition is arguably second to only the US in terms of influence. Nouvelle vague movement in the 1960s revolutionized cinema. Look up jean-luc godard and François truffeault.
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u/thetarm 14h ago
Our cinema was influential decades ago but it's mostly low budget trash now
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u/Dongodor 13h ago
To be fair we have some high budget movies like once a year (bataille de Gaulle, comte de montecristo, kaamelott,…) the ratio is 1 for 20 tho
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u/Robolaserjesus 17h ago
Hell, New Hollywood was the American New Wave and was inspired by Nouvelle Vague
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u/aasfourasfar 13h ago
The Nouvelle Vague was in part inspired by classical Hollywood (Hitchcock, Wells, Melville) !
In other part they were inspired by italian neo-realists who are like the anti-hollywood, but that makes it more interesting
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u/aasfourasfar 14h ago
Italy? Soviet Russia?
I really don't like ranking things like that. Cinéma is full of cross influences... The thing was invented by Frenchmen, the special effects pioneer was a Frenchman, the first superstars and color films and films with sound were Hollywood I think, among very influential early filmmakers you have a lot of Europeans who worked in the US (Hitchcock and his inspiration Murnau for instance).. those people inspired french nouvelle vague who was also inspired by Italian neorealism, and in turn inspired "New Hollywood" (your Scorceses, Copolla, Kubrick etc...)
But with all that being said... Ranking the US first and France second is probably what most people would do hahah so this comment was useless
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u/uxgpf 13h ago edited 13h ago
During the 20s Germany was the most influential by far. Murnau, Lang, Wiene and Pabst.
American actresses like Louise Brooks went to Germany if they wanted to become big.
The freedom of expression flourished during the Weimar republic.
Otherwise I agree.
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u/aasfourasfar 12h ago
Indeed! There was a Germany > US export though with Lang and Murnau and maybe others
But Germany also continued to produce influential filmmakers consistently.
Also Iran and Japan if we want to stray further !
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u/uxgpf 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yeah there are later ones like Herzog and Fassbinder, but after the 20s the German movie industry hasn't really had a worldwide influence like the Hollywood does.
Though I feel that the era of Hollywood is waning. Now it's mostly just braindead family movies, sequels and remakes of foreign films.
Lots of good indie stuff from the US though due to the cinema culture. I liked Backrooms for an example. I like watching something that feels new and expresses feelings.
But in Hollywood there is no room for movies as an art anymore. It's all about money.
Also to me it feels like Japan and South Korea had their high points during the early 2000s. So many great films from there back then. Even China befor it went full authoritarian. (See devil on the doorstep - Guizi lai le)
Hong Kong also had its brief time as a movie superpower. :)
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u/NorysStorys 13h ago
British cinema is probably above French but out of all the non-English cinema it’s probably the French that has the most influence.
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u/AwTomorrow 12h ago
Nah Britain isn’t one of the top 3 all-timers for film importance and quality - USA, France, Japan
It’s in the tier directly below with Italy and Russia. Crucial, but long stretches of unimportance and mediocre output.
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u/castorkrieg 14h ago
This is not the point. Yes it’s doing well because of massive film subsidies whereas a lot of French films are…not good. They are your typical philosophy / social commentary made on a small budget without much special effects or elaborate costumes. RN and some other parties are openly asking if your movie made 10.000€ at the box office and was seen by 1000 people in a country of 70 million - maybe we should be more selective how we spend money I.e. approve less but higher quality productions. And this will decimate French cinema because a lot of work as operators, make up artists, sound engineers rely on them turning endlessly these types of movies.
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u/WillGrindForXP 6h ago
Ita a moronic take because no can tell if a film will be good, bad or successful until it's made. Its kinda the problem even Hollywood hasnt been able to solve. Saying maybe we should be more selective without any auggestion of how is completely redundant. No one is setting out to make or fun bad films.
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u/castorkrieg 6h ago
If your film makes 10.000€ everyone could have seen it is not good. It’s not pure luck all the time.
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u/WillGrindForXP 5h ago
So you think they all agreed to fund a bad film deliberately. They all said out loud "this time chaps, let's spunk the cash on this piece of trash, just sorta for fun? We can't just make good films, that would make too much sense" and they all agreed. This is what you are proposing.
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u/ElMatadorJuarez 17h ago
French cinema is world renowned and it is that way for a reason. So so many good French movies it’s hard to count.
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u/Mac_Aravan 13h ago
it's going well in term of production, but it is heavily subsidized by TV and state, and has strong protections by laws.
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u/ThePr1d3 12h ago
Frenchman here. No idea if it's doing well financially but production wise it's been doing greater than ever. We've finally decided to go all in on big productions that can rival Hollywood in the past few years : Les Trois Mousquetaires, Le Comte de Monte Cristo, La Bataille de Gaulle, soon to be released Les Misérables etc etc. For now it's mostly focused on classic French littérature but I hope soon it turns towards original pictures. And we still have our typical French comedies and art house movies that we were already known for.
It's been good lately and on a clear upward trend
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u/pyrovoice 11h ago
To give you an actual answer: Yes, it is the last strong cinema in Europe, other countries come to France to get financing and our model is copied internationally.
Why is that? First, we have something called "Chronologie des médias", which means that a movie has a delay after being out in the cinema before it can be available on physical support then on platforms then on TV. So every movie has multiple venues to make money, meaning each movie just makes more in France over a longer period.
Second, this chronologie is negociated with private businesses (mainly Canal +) so they get preferencial treatment but must finance movies in France.
Finally, the CNC receives a small tax on every ticket sold, meaning success from Hollywood movies directly transfer to more money for our own cinema.
This creates a huge bank for the CNC to finance a lot of projects, and since this is public money it also means it can finance projects that would not be financially viable otherwise, meaning we are one of the last place where some type of projects can be made.
This CNC organism is what the far right wants to destroy. This would basically mean the death of french cinema as we know it today.
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u/Artos-Vosegus 10h ago
Donc le CNC vole mon argent pour financer des bouses quand je vais voir un vrai bon film américain.
Vivement la fin de ce système.
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u/EnzoMaloni 10h ago
Savais-tu que les "vrai bons films américains", ils utilisent des crédits d'impôts et autres niches fiscales pour leur films ?
Faut dire que "crédit d'impôts", ça sonne mieux que "subventions"...
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u/ACruyff_ 4h ago
Un crédit d’impôt n’est pas une dépense.
D’autre part si un artiste a besoin de subvention pour vivre c’est un fonctionnaire. Je n’ai pas de subvention parce que ce que je fais à une demande réelle et non créée par l’état.5
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u/Masato_Fujiwara 7h ago
Voilà comme ça t'es bien report pour ad hominem, bien joué le gauchiste.
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u/Artos-Vosegus 7h ago
« Service public », c’est différent de « Toutes pour une » sortie en 2025, ou de « Le Grand Déplacement ».
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u/Artos-Vosegus 10h ago
Peu m’importe, je paye pour un film que j’ai envie de voir. Je refuse que mon argent soit détourné pour des films dont la simple bande annonce ne me donnerait pas envie. Ce n’est pas à moi de financer ce cinéma là.
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u/WillGrindForXP 6h ago
What about all the beloved films that didn't make any money? Bladerunner is worthless now? Apocalypse Now should be burnt? You have no idea what you're talking about.
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u/Hackeringerinho 10h ago
Well, even if the films are good the public is too small.
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u/Monterenbas 9h ago
Good or bad is a subjective criteria, but if a movie is financed by public tax, it should be made for the largest number of people, not a small elitite audience.
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u/poulooloo 5h ago
Tell me why things should all be average. Instead, you could see that demanding, complex works are financed by average ones in order to give people a wide variety of choice. Also, pulling them up by proposing interesting, avant-garde films
Like science, at some point the market cannot finance everything.
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u/Hackeringerinho 8h ago
I meant the francophone public, not that it's elitist.
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u/Monterenbas 8h ago
Wich is why the cnc should not use public money to finance vanity project that no one’s is gonna watch.
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u/djikkers 11h ago
the answer is no
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u/Both-Witness-2605 10h ago
No public money. It's a far right take.
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u/pyrovoice 9h ago
technically it is public money. even if it's a tax on the ticket, we could simply take that money and put it elsewhere. The choice to put it back in the cinema makes it a public spending
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u/Monterenbas 9h ago
>since this is public money it also means it can finance projects that would not be financially viable otherwise
I’m not sure how that’s supposed to be a good thing?
Why should our public money finance films that are not financialy viable and will end up losing said public money?
It’s basically private sector takes all the profit, while public sector suck up all the loses.
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u/pyrovoice 9h ago edited 9h ago
Because culture should not have to be financially viable to exist. It can provide other kind of values.
Because you can never really know what project will or won't be financially viable, so this system allows more risk instead of having only the formatted block busters of current day Hollywood that are all worst than the last.
Because a lot of starting authors need such a system to start learning on smaller projects, which gave us a LOT of famous international directors
Finally, because a lot of people simply do not have the means to spend on culture, and having a system that produces stuff people can access for free allow even the poorest part of the population access to culture.
What price would you put on all of this? I know I would put a lot. Really think about this before reading the next line.
Because the price per person is around 3€ currently. Nothing compared to the benefits we get
Edit: Also this is making it sound like it's just money thrown away. It's not. We produce movies that get nominated for Awards everywhere in the world and make a shitton of money internationally as well as locally, and we're the last country in Europe (?) that does so.
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u/Monterenbas 8h ago edited 7h ago
>Because culture should not have to be financially viable to exist.
Define culture? How are the films financed by the private sector, any less culture than films produce by public money?
>It can provide other kind of values.
Such as?
>Because you can never really know what project will or won't be financially viable
Hard disagree, there’s a lot of vanity project, that it obvious won’t make any profit.
>so this system allows more risk instead of having only the formatted block busters of current day Hollywood that are all worst than the last.
I could say exactly the same thing about 90% of french movies, it’s not like there’s a massive quality gap between what comes out of Hollywood and French studios nowaday.
I’m also not sure that taking « risk » with our public funds, given the current state of France finance, is an appropriate thing to do.
>Finally, because a lot of people simply do not have the means to spend on culture
I don’t think that our state have the mean to spend on « culture » (the last Christian Clavier comedy is not culture imo), compare to Health, Education, Ecology.
>and having a system that produces stuff people can access for free allow even the poorest part of the population access to culture.
What are you talking about?
People don’t get to watch the movies financed by their taxes for free, they still got to pay for it, a second time, to watch it at the theater.
>Because the price per person is around 3€ currently.
At 3x65 millions, i could think of a lot thing the state could do with that money.
>Nothing compared to the benefits we get
Again, what are those real tangible benefits exactly?
>Edit: Also this is making it sound like it's just money thrown away. It's not.
So, in the top 10 of the french movies produced by the CNC for the year 2025, there was:
N1: God Save the Tuche comedy
N3: Un ours dans le Jura comedy
N5: Kaamellot 2em volet comedy
N6: Les Bodin’s partent en vrille comedy
N7: La Venue de l’avenir comedy
N8: C’était mieux demain comedySo, this is all very impressive culture, but I do believe we could have done without our public money financing the Tuche 3.
>We produce movies that get nominated for Awards everywhere in the world
Who cares about Oscars and co?
Those self masturbatory ceremonies of inbreeded industry insiders, congratulating each others and patting themselves on the back, have lost any credibility or relevance a long time ago.
>and make a shitton of money internationally as well as locally
Wich one’s? Because none of the top 10 highest crossing french movie, financed by the cnc in 2025, had any relevance internationaly.
And how do the « shitton of money », that those movies supposedly make internationaly (Wich is nice, cause then most of the profit won’t even come back to France) compare to the cnc movie’s that actualy lose money?
>and we're the last country in Europe (?) that does so.
Maybe there’s a reason for that? Or it could be a case of France being smarter than everybody else.
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u/pyrovoice 7h ago edited 7h ago
Define culture? How are the films financed by the private sector, any less culture than films produce by public money?
they're not. Did I say something that could make someone think I believe the opposite?
It can provide other kind of values.
I'm not going to go in a thesis about what a culture adds to a society, as there are much smarter people than me that went deep into that question. But I'd like to ask you that: What is part of your culture? What can you talk about with one of your friend and you'll both know it? What event did you go to as a kid that forged who you are today? All that and more is culture.
Hard disagree, there’s a lot of vanity project, that it obvious won’t make any profit.
Like what?
I could say exactly the same thing about 90% of french movies, it’s not like there’s a massive quality gap between what comes out of Hollywood and French studios nowaday.
I don't really get this point due to how it's phrased, so pardon me if I answer wrongly. First, CNC participates for more than just movies, and I personally enjoyed a lot of their projects. Second quality wise, of course there's a gap. Hollywood has 1000x the budget that France has. But compare France to any other european country, I'd argue we shine infinitely more.
Also I don't want to start calculating, but given how catastrophic the biggest projects are in Hollywood vs in France currently, I do think our system produce better quality per dollar spent.
I’m also not sure that taking « risk » with our public funds, given the current state of France finance, is an appropriate thing to do.
Hard disagree, but you're allowed to have that opinion. Why I disagree: The budget is minuscule compared to the state budget, the tax comes directly from tickets sold so if you remove it you don't gain anything for the state, at best you make tickets 10% cheaper (and realistically cinemas don't lower their prices at all so you just lost money for nothing), and the added value per euro spent is much higher with this system than to pay whatever we could pay with it elsewhere.
Also I'm not sure why this is the first system that people want to stop to get some money when there are so many, bigger systems to touch first, that are producing infinitely fewer actual results.
I don’t think that our state have the mean to spend on « culture » (the last Christian Clavier comedy is not culture imo), compare to Health, Education, Ecology.
already answered above, reducing the CNC to the comedies it produces is just being dishonest, and on top of that it's your opinion? Millions of people go see those comedies, who are you to decide they are wrong?
People don’t get to watch the movies financed by their taxes for free, they still got to pay for it, a second time, to watch it at the theater.
Backseat, Boat, HENRI catalogue, Images de la Culture Catalog, CNC French Film Archives, Pass Culture subsidies, National Film Education Initiatives, Art & Essai Cinema Network, Festival Film Subsidies...
Also, while we do pay for the movies, the fact they exist in the first place is due to CNC.
At 3x65 millions, i could think of a lot thing the state could do with that money.
Like what? Pay off 0.005% of the national debt? 0.091% of annual education spending? 0.043% of annual pension payouts?
Like I said, that money is better invested giving access to a bit of culture to everyone, than being less than a drop in a bucket elsewhere.
Again, what are those real tangible benefits exactly?
everything I listed above? But ok, let's look at it through a purely capitalist lens:
€1.44 billion investment and 181.3 million entries in 2024. Several Oscars every year, and other international rewards. Influence through director and artists that go work on international projects. 40.1 million Admissions abroad.
Let's compare to countries with their own system or none, Italy and UK: Admissions per 1,000 residents in france is 2,650, 1,183 for Italy, 1,825 for the UK. We have more entries than the UK even though their investments is higher per resident, and produce 33% more projects than them even though they produce in a language that has a natural easier reach. Finally, Italy simply does not have movies recognised internationally, according to prizing, and we are just behind the UK even though they have a reach.
40.1 million Admissions abroad, for about €271.7 million in foreign ticket sales. +€158 on average per movie financed through CNC. 4 in ten movies that are actually making more money than they cost to produce.
So just from a capitalist balance, this system works and is worth it. Add on to that all other benefits I listed, and you have one of the best system that's currently in existence.
So, this is all very impressive culture, but I do believe we could have done without our public money financing the Tuche 3.
Again, your opinion. Objectively, we produce stuff people go see, we produce stuff people reward, and we produce stuff that is not produced anywhere else.
Who cares about Oscars and co?
Investors, spectators, other artists. You might not care, but guess what? Your opinion isn't the one that matters.
Wich one's? Because none of the top 10 highest crossing french movie, financed by the cnc in 2025, had any relevance internationaly.
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Maybe there’s a reason for that, or it could be a case of France being smarter than everybody else.
Well yeah apparently, we are smarter than everyone else. After all this data, I fail to see why anyone would want to destroy this system or not adapt it in their own countries.
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u/Monterenbas 6h ago
>Well yeah apparently, we are smarter than everyone else.
Ogey.
I believe having one of the highest public-debt ratios in the eurozone, does not make us smarter than everybody else, on the contrary, but to each his own.
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u/Monterenbas 6h ago
Yes, you totally won the internet bro.
We are smarter than everyone else.
Let’s see if you still feel like that in a few years.
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u/DarkPetitChat 4h ago
Yeah we are bankrupted because of the CNC lmao.
I can't anymore with you guys.
Thanks for the laugh.
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u/Crouteauxpommes 9h ago
Your last point is very important. It's not a giveaway, it's investment.
The cinema, telefilms and series industry gives jobs to roughly ¼ million people in the country, from the costume makers to the technical support. The resulting movies are then distributed across the country by cinemas who've bought the right to. And the series, telefilms and documentaries are either sold to a TV channel or directly in physical or digital copies, when they weren't already produced as a command.
All of these steps generate revenues for the state and the private sector alike, while the workers are paid a decent salary. New filmmakers and actors can emerge naturally and a lot of the media produced this way are or a recognized quality. I won't go as far as to say it's a virtuous cycle, but it's working fine. And it's the free market functioning freely.
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u/xelrach 19h ago
The Battle of Algiers is considered a top film of all time.
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u/Tricky_Tap9237 11h ago
Ils ont surtout peur de ne plus toucher des milliards pour faire de la merde..et être assistés par les contribuables français
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u/InformationOk2851 9h ago
En même temps vue là merde qu'es devenu le cinéma français ça ne sera pas une grosse pertes
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u/kilamem 12h ago
Yeah... no that is bullshit. The current french Cinema is not popular in France, most of the movies are boring and are not profitable and are not even watched by the public.
I'm not a fan of privatizing the public broadcasting network, nor to stop funding films but let's be honest: The french cinema is not dead but 95% of its production became irrelevant to the people in its own country and no one among the french cinema industry seem to think that there is a problem in what they are doing and how they are doing it.
We really need just some adjustment in mentality: Like taking account what the public want to see, stop denigrate some entire genre like sci-fi, action movies or war movies.
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u/djikkers 11h ago
The goal of French cinema is to use public funds to line the pockets of the same left-leaning actors and directors who share their political views. They couldn't care less about profitability.
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u/ManiacMakyr 11h ago
Yet they blasted open their door to let far-right moronic personnalities and views seep into national television.
The government courts with far-right, asks TV to be more gentle with the most insane racists and LGBTphobes and more, TV seeks to reproduce the "miracle"* of the local equivalent of Fox News (CNews, far right channel, pure opinion, little to no facts. Examples goes as : muslims are responsible for the egg shortage because they eat Ramadan biscuits and French don't fear the punishment of God and his angels enough.).
And now the whambulance, far-right is a menace to art and expression ! YOU THINK ?! Your brain started to realise it only now ?
* "Miracle", because despite some popularity spikes, they bleed money and aren't profitable at all (even tho it's not the objective of that channel). Cnews has been guilty of tax "mistakes", which amounted to a fine of 2 billions, which been "optimised" into 300 million, then paid by the gouvernment in the owner's stance.
Incredible "impersonnal" liberal economical politics.
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u/Dice_to_see_you 7h ago
Whilst the far left is burning France in the streets? A real "pick your poison" I guess
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u/tyuiopguyt 20h ago
Then maybe the French should hold one of their world famous protests against the rise of the far right instead of continuing to make their poll numbers rise.
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u/Valerian_ 19h ago
What do you think we are doing, like tomorrow precisely??
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u/Representative_Yau 17h ago
It's a brainlet american, just ignore, being a keyboard warrior and doing 0 to make any changes is their specialty.
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u/valentc 17h ago
Same shit. Americans are protesting every day, but of course you had to make it about shitting on Americans.
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u/hajime11 15h ago
Protesting how?
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u/valentc 4h ago
Are you fucking serious or just some ignorant cuck who sits inside all day so they dont see their fellow Americans protesting?
Maybe go outside or maybe even just look.up a local protest. Theyre happening almost every single fucking day. Get off reddit and touch some grass.
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u/hajime11 4h ago
Protesting by holding a sign that says Drumpf Bad or a sign of Trump and Putin holding hands. oh yeah you really showed him by doing that the first time! Showed him so much we never heard from him again after 2020 right? Give me a fucking break Americans are the most cucked people on the face of the earth.
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u/valentc 4h ago
Oh wow. You seriously are one ignorant pos. And youre flaunting it. Maybe show up to an ICE facility protest or any protest in general. But you wont. Youll just yell on the internet a out how much you hate Americans.
You're either a self hating American or some European obsessed with American culture.
If youre an American, get off your fucking ass, protest, and stop being a negative cuck whose only setting is misery and hopelessness.
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u/tyuiopguyt 19h ago
Probably burning more cars while your elected officials pass the laws your protesting against at 3am the next day.
Like what happened during the retirement age protests.
I want to be wrong about this, but it seems like the French political establishment allows these big flashy street protests because it allows people to burn off their anger in a controlled fashion while not actually effecting anything.
Good luck at the next protest. I really hope I'm wrong. Because a French far right in control would be the end of the EU. And that'd be a dark day for global democracy indeed.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago edited 19h ago
The temerity of an American who has been forced into a financial imperative and won't protest a thing because of it, who has a paedophile in his second term as President, mocking civilians with an actual backbone.
3 children were shot dead in the States 2 days ago and it's barely news. Maybe spend a bit of time reflecting on that.
EDIT - Americans can't take hard truths.
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u/tyuiopguyt 19h ago
I have protested once every other day for the last month. And I've kept up a similar pace for the last 2 years. I work 55 hours a week community organizing while also volunteering at a local food bank, community center, and free medical clinic.
Here's my question: when was the last time a French protest stopped the law or government conduct it was against? Because I draw your attention to the fact that the ongoing education protests have changed nothing, your homegrown fascist party is more popular than ever, and those massive retirement age protests from awhile back didn't stop the implementation of that policy in the slightest.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
I don't really believe you as someone who protests wouldn't undermine others thst do the same. It's a contradiction, seeing as you're dismissing the value of your own protesting, and you're actively discouraging a people by saying their efforts are pointless.
So, you're either a liar or you're as logically stable as a dog chasing its own tail. Which is it?
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u/tyuiopguyt 19h ago
I'm sick of French people acting like their shit doesn't stink when their form of protest clearly isn't working and they seem completely oblivious to the fact that their mythologization of the French Revolution has allowed a fascist party to grow without any sort of complaint.
I notice you didn't actually interface with the question I asked. I wonder why that is.
I'm not against the French organizing and protesting. I would very much like it to work. I have nothing but hope and support in my heart for the people in France putting their lives on the line for their rights.
But lighting cars on fire and shouting at cops clearly isn't working anymore. For the same reason that holding funny meme signs isn't working over here. It's stale, easily ignorable, and doesn't address the issues in a concrete manner.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
There it is.
Thought as much.
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u/tyuiopguyt 18h ago
You still haven't answered the question. Likely because you don't have an answer.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
There's nothing to answer. The French will protest how they think is best. That's their business.
You should be ashamed about lying about helping others to masquerade as a good character. It took no effort to expose you as bitter and hateful.
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u/JimboAltAlt 18h ago
We Americans have been smugly told over and over again that the French (and most other countries), because of their superior character, are immune to right wing takeovers. We are allowed to simultaneously hope this is true while also expressing the occasional note of “not so easy, is it?”
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
They haven't been taken over by the right. Europe is in an immigration crisis, largely thanks to your lot, and the far right will use that as catnip. Despite that, France, Germany and the UK aren't under the far right.
You lot have Trump in charge, which is even worse than your Republican party.
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u/Dramatic_Bug_617 16h ago
the french are world famous for protesting so it would be pretty ironic if they just watched this happen without doing anything
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u/MysteriousWolf1115 17h ago
Those protests quickly become riots and increase their poll numbers. The school protests for example are very anti-far-right but have led to them gaining.
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u/Melodic_Risk6633 14h ago
In France there is a large part of the population that support this movement, think it's legit, and were moved by all those images of police acting like bullies, beating the absolute shit of 16 years old highschooler, right now it is even merging with other movements.
this is giving the left a momentum after months of rising arrogant far right grifting everywhere on the medias. their journalist are now hiding behind the cops and getting humiliated by 17 years old on the mic. only on ignorant alt right reddit sub they try desperatly to push a "these are riots because of immigration " narative.
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u/Flying_Tiger_Capt 17h ago
Because there were hardly protests but mainly riots! People who want the government to spend money on schools and infrastructure don’t ruin said schools and infrastructure. They would maybe even raise funds and fix what is broken themselves! I see in this riots hate against France by people who profited of the system and who voted for those leftist policies that seem to not have brought much value to the people of France.
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u/bostonmule 14h ago
You don’t really understand the French mindset apparently. It’s not up to students and teachers to raise money to fix their schools, it’s up to the government.
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u/Lucas984 15h ago
Actually it’s been two weeks we’re doing it but the government does nothing except sending the cops to punch the protesters
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u/XenthorX 8h ago
Not to shoot the messenger, but to add some context: France Télévisions has a major stake in this. They are facing heavy financial deficits, and the far-right has explicitly stated plans to privatize or drastically restructure the public broadcaster.
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u/Unlucky-Eye-graffy 5h ago
Du grand n'importe quoi lol 😂 ces gauchos sont vraiment prêt à raconter n'importe quoi lol pauvres petits artistes de gauches sniiiffff
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u/Wonderful-Chart-1472 12h ago edited 12h ago
So no more movies with four "diversity" women playing the four musketeers, paid for by our taxes and with near-zero spectators in the cinema. (The 2025 French film Toutes pour une suffered an unprecedented box office disaster, generating only 14,059 total ticket sales and averaging just 2 spectators per screening on its opening day, despite a massive €10.68 million budget backed by millions in public and state funding.)
What a bunch of monsters the "far-right"...and tomorrow what will they do to our "culture" ? Stop financing anti France propagande movies ? or worse France television will have to sell the secretly owns luxurious castle property in Dordogne called the Domaine de la Finou gifted by our taxes? at least tell me they will not touch this my dear Delphine Ernotte chief executive officer of France Télévisions
- €133 million spent on employee severance packages and termination indemnities.
- €62 million in cumulative salary overcosts, including €61.9 million tied up in specific internal bonuses and leaves (primes et congés).
- €3.8 million billed entirely for taxi rides taken by staff.
- €6 million logged in general employee expense receipts.
- 50 to 53 company cars actively assigned to executives alongside an estimated €150,000 per month spent on vehicle fuel.
why would i woke at 4h30 in the morning 15 days in the month if i can't pay for this anymore?
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u/arsonist_firefighter 20h ago
I think the french people have far more concerning things to worry about.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
Culture and the arts are important to all countries. What a terribly reductive argument.
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u/nuggetsofmana 8h ago
The broadcaster is government owned yet taking a political stance. This is why outlets like that get their funding cut. When you turn into a partisan hack - you get funding pulled when the other side inevitably wins.
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u/djikkers 11h ago
France Télévisions is an organization that costs the French state 4 billion euros - all to line the pockets of its employees through various forms of misappropriation, such as salaries far above market rates, skewed severance packages, and perks of all kinds, including trips and hotel stays. As a typical leftist, Manuel Alduy is primarily interested in preserving this system of siphoning off funds for his fellow left-wing cronies. Let’s put an end to this waste.
Death to the French state.
Death to the public broadcasting service.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 20h ago
French cinema has been living off public subsidies for decades, yet produces mostly bad movies and the occasional commercial success.
Perhaps it’s time to reconsider those priorities and direct taxpayers money towards what should come first: education, healthcare, defence and public safety.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
Culture and art is a priority for any country.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 19h ago
Culture is part of any country. The greatest artists in history didn’t live from tax payers money.
There are more important problems to fix in France domestic politics than funding a few lousy movies with tax payers money.
One of them being today’s reason for the youth strike: education which has been underfunded and poorly managed for decades.
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u/StillStanding_96 19h ago
Of course they did. The Catholic Church patronized the finest artists in Europe for centuries. And how did they get their money? It was just another kind of tax that people paid. And Shakespeare was patronized by the crown. More tax money.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
So you know little about history as well as art and culture. Some of the best artists you know from history were commissioned by Kings and the Church. Where do you think they got their money from?
Once you start giving things up, you don't get them back. The topic just turns into what gets taken from you next. You pay tax to get things in return. Art is part of that. Never known anything as stupid as taxpayers willingly giving things they pay for up so far right parties can raid the public purse.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 19h ago
Of course kings and aristocrats or the Church commissioned artists throughout history. That doesn’t prove that the modern state should subsidise an entire film industry like France does today. Patronage exists but that doesn’t automatically justify the current level of public funding.
You’re mixing two different things: whether culture matters and whether the current level of public spending on French cinema is justified. I have no problem with culture. I question the latter.
And the argument that once you cut public spending on something, you can never get it back is ridiculous. By that logic, no government spending programme should ever be reviewed, regardless of its effectiveness or opportunity cost.
France doesn’t have infinite resources. Right now it has a struggling public education system and significant economic problems. Every euro spent matters.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
There's no problem questioning where abd how much is spent, but you were dismissive of the funding for arts completely by saying the money should be directed to other areas. You never argued that the money given here should be given to other artistic endeavours. So your argument is now disingenuous. You seem susceptible to basic far right talking points.
Yeah, there's always a crisis of funds and where to spend it in every country all the time. It's as if the ruling classes try to divide the proles into arguing about what they're allowed to have from their own money, whilst they "win" overinflated contracts that you pay for.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago
I literally said “The greatest artists in history didn’t live from tax payers money.” and “There are more important problems to fix in France domestic politics than funding a few lousy movies with tax payers money.”
This is not being completely dismissive of the funding of arts. These are just facts.
Another fact is that French movie goers don’t go watch French produced movies anymore. Because 99% of them are bad.
Calling these opinions “far right talking points” is ridiculous. The use public money is reasonable to debate whether it could be put to better use.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
You seem to forget than in a earlier comment that funding shoukd go elsewhere that isn't within the arts. I'm sorry to use the words and arguments you presented.
There's a clear way that things are argued that adds context to things.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago
My original comment never argued that France should stop funding the arts altogether.
I argued that education, healthcare, defence and public safety should take priority over subsidising a failing film industry that has relied on public support for decades.
My criticism is specifically about French cinema and whether the current funding model delivers value for taxpayers. That includes artistic value.
When public money is used to finance productions that struggle to attract audiences, while even commercially viable blockbusters receive tax incentives, it is perfectly legitimate to question whether the system is working as intended.
Supporting the arts is one thing, treating public subsidies as an entitlement for an entire industry is another.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
They do take priority. The arts get a small proportion of funding, which is about right proportionally. Some may fairly argue it should get more.
Well, thank you for the civil conversation, and I apologise for any insinuations or accusations that were rude from my end. I'm going to bow out now, so have the last word and all the best.
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u/Temptemphemp 19h ago
Spoken like a true fascist.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago
So anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a fascist?
Labelling people you disagree with instead of engaging with their arguments says more about your intolerance of dissent than it does about mine.
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u/Temptemphemp 17h ago
No, just little weak-chinned goosesteppers like you.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 16h ago edited 16h ago
And there it is. You have no argument so you resort to insults.
You called me a fascist but when challenged, all you could come up with was showing your own weakness.
I refuse to lower to your level.
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u/Temptemphemp 14h ago
Fascist don’t get to challenge or engage with anyone. They only deserve ridicule. So jog off.
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u/StillStanding_96 19h ago
Hollywood has received $25 billion in tax credits in the last 20 years. France does the same but also has universal education, healthcare, and 25% the violent crime that the US does.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 19h ago
France does the same, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a good use of public money.
The French government funded nearly €1.2 billion to the French film industry in 2023 through public support, tax incentives and mandatory investment by broadcasters and streaming platforms.
Is spending that much to support an industry that struggles to compete internationally represents the best use of resources?
Public funding isn’t automatically justified just because a country can afford it.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
Not everything is spent to make profit. Many things are a service that you pay for through taxes, and any profit is an added bonus.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 19h ago
Taxpayers aren’t an unlimited source of money.
Governments have a responsibility to allocate public money where it delivers the greatest benefit to society, not simply fund everything that claims cultural value. And these bad movies aren’t.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 19h ago
Governments have a responsibility to pay for things the people want because they see value in it. There are several things I pay for that I have no personal value in, but I respect that it's important for many others. You don't get to personally pick and choose what matters for everyone.
Like every other right winger, you think of your own individuality ahead of a full society's.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago
See my comment about the French senate report from 2023 proving how French people go watch less and less French produced films with public funding: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/pB9mLuiOpl
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
So? Funding is proportional. If 10% of people find value in something, then it should get proportional funding. That's fair, right?
Let's face it, €1.2bn ain't that much in the scheme of things, unless France has become Macedonia and I've not noticed.
You're squabbling over who should get the scraps when you should be demanding more.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago
There is no magic money in France.
They can demand more but they will face the reality that no French tax payer wants to spend more on a failing industry.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 18h ago
Again, not everything is for profit and you don't get to decide what everyone else is allowed to see value in and ask from their government.
1.2 is a absolutely nothing. Almost pathetic to be arguing against really. It's 0.082% of the French budget. We probably give that to feed ducks in Britain.
Your argument is rooted in something more than the actual money, and it's as obvious to everyone else as a smack in the face.
Have the last word.
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u/StillStanding_96 19h ago edited 19h ago
No, I’m sure that we agree that both countries, and probably all countries for that matter, puts lots of their public money towards poor uses. Or at least don’t make ideal use of every penny.
I however don’t have the data on how many Euros France makes back for each one it invests in its film industry, or if the US is getting better or worse return on its investment. If you do, please share your source. I’m just saying that the US isn’t in a position to throw stones when it comes to prioritizing healthcare, education, or public safety. And when it comes to defense, France has one of the best-funded standing militaries in Europe and is the fourth-highest contributor to NATO.
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 18h ago edited 18h ago
French Senate report from 2023: https://www.senat.fr/rap/r22-610/r22-61011.html
If we add together direct subsidies, tax incentives of all kinds and public loans or loan guarantees, public funding for the film industry amounts to 1.7 billion euros a year.
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However, French films are attracting fewer and fewer cinema-goers: between 2014 and 2019, the number of cinema-goers per film approved by the CNC fell by 30 per cent. Many films are publicly funded but are not released in cinemas or achieve what are known as ‘cult’ status, attracting only between 10,000 and 20,000 cinema-goers.
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I consider this stance to be excessive and believe that certain aspects warrant review: for instance, the tax incentives granted by the Film and Audiovisual Industry Financing Companies (Sofica) or the film tax credit have become substantial. In reality, the question we must answer is whether we can have a diverse film industry without this resulting in loss-making investments.
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French films are also less profitable than they used to be. It took just seven to eight years, between 2012 and 2019, for average box-office takings per film to fall from 1.7 million to 1.2 million euros.
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I consider this stance to be excessive and believe that certain aspects warrant review: for instance, the tax incentives granted by the Film and Audiovisual Industry Financing Companies (Sofica) or the film tax credit have become substantial. In reality, the question we must answer is whether we can have a diverse film industry without this resulting in loss-making investments.France has been pouring public funding into its film industry for decades. Yet this Senate report concluded the average cinema revenue per French film keeps falling. French spectators don’t go watch these French films which receive tax incentives.
Supporting culture is legitimate but supporting a failing industry that only lives on taxpayers money isn’t.
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u/StillStanding_96 17h ago
Very impressive. A pertinent primary source. Not something we see much of in discourse on this sub. One important point that senateur Paoli-Gagin raises in this hearing is that the revenue generated from France’s investment in the CNC was not reported. Whether it makes a positive return on its investment or not is still a mystery to me. But for the sake of the argument, I’m willing to believe that their return is zero. Not a single Euro is made from those movies. Nobody saw them. The French government wasted €1.7 billion.
But so what? Art was still made. Work was still done. People were still paid. Families kept eating and injecting capital into the local economy. There were worse things that that money could have been spent on. No, it’s not the most efficient or prudent way it could have been used, but €1.7 billion isn’t a lot of money on a national scale. It’s only a little more than 1 tenth of 1% of France’s gross national revenue that year, and 1% of its public deficit. It may not have the highest ROI, but where else would you have liked that money to go that would have helped the most French people? €1.7 billion is €25 per person. Secondary school graduation is over 90%. Life expectancy is 83. Infant mortality is 4 in 1,000. The whole country has fewer homicides than any three large US cities combined. What would you have done with €1.7 billion that would noticeably improve the quality of life for French people besides making 1,700 new millionaires?
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 16h ago edited 16h ago
French cinema’s public financing has been the subject of multiple Senate investigations in recent years. As the rapporteur Roger Karoutchi admitted himself:
“It is difficult to quantify the revenue generated by the film industry.”
That is precisely the problem: the economic return on €1.7 billion in yearly public funding remains questionable. Saying that money was spent and people were paid is not evidence that the spending is justified. The same argument could be used to defend almost any publicly subsidised industry, regardless of its results.
The fact that €1.7 billion represents a small percentage of national revenue is irrelevant to whether it is being spent effectively. France Télévisions alone receives around €2 billion annually in public funding and the use of that money has also faced scrutiny in recent hearings.
This is now leading to such doomer articles from Variety questioning the future of French cinema.
Supporting culture is legitimate but that does not exempt an industry from tax payers scrutiny over its results, its dependence on subsidies or whether public money could be better used elsewhere. The question is are taxpayers getting sufficient value for that money. And the answer has been proven to not be the case according to these investigations.
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u/StillStanding_96 5h ago
Very well. But it’s not enough to demonstrate that the money isn’t doing enough good where it’s currently being spent; which cannot be said until we know what return it’s actually generating. We also need to know where would be a better place to put it.
I’m sure you already appreciate this so I’ll only mention it briefly, but government subsidies need not see a direct monetary return on their investment in order to be justified. France spends about €330 billion annually on healthcare without expecting a monetary return on that investment. It’s an investment in the public good. The French people as a whole benefit when every citizen has access to healthcare when they need it whether a given individual uses it or not.
May I ask you this: Do you think the focus on state funding of the French film industry is more-justifiably questioned than something like its funding of healthcare, education, or transport infrastructure because the film industry is concerned with creating a product which is intended for sale? You cited declining theatre attendance and a poor showing in international competition as evidence that funding the CNC at its current level is unjustified. In short, the CNC runs at a deficit; but so does the national healthcare system. It’s designed to. France has worked very hard to avoid privatizing healthcare because profit-seeking, they feel, would disincentivize healthcare providers from providing the best care to patients. Yes it’s wasteful of money and not nearly as efficient as it could be, and there’s certainly room for structural and administrative improvement without cutting services to patients, but losing as little money as possible is not a primary goal of French healthcare. If it were, they wouldn’t provide healthcare at all.
Nor indeed is it the goal of French cinema. But I suspect that it’s easier to characterize investment in CNC as wasteful because nobody is paying to see its films; even though it still provides public goods as previously mentioned. What do you think?
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u/mio26 19h ago
You know what is funny. I don't think many voters of French left want french cinema either. At the end quite a lot don't feel French or worse hate France. So why would they need French cinema?
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u/Sven4president 14h ago
Low cognitive thinking. Left wing people love their country just as much but don't clad themselves in performative nationalism to justify their racism.
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u/BenjiSBRK 13h ago
Then stop inviting them so much on your set ?
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u/djikkers 10h ago
that's the law, buddy, they do not "invite"
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u/BenjiSBRK 10h ago
The law is to give the same amount of time to any side. Yet the statistics lean heavily on the far right
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u/L0uarn 18h ago
France Television is government owned TV by the way