r/newbrunswickcanada • u/YouProfessional3196 • 1d ago
Canada’s immigration levels could soon be increased. Here’s why
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/immigration-minister-says-immigration-levels-will-be-going-up-heres-what-that-means/21
u/akwsd89 1d ago
What r u gonna do with unemployment rate?
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u/Ambitious-Durian-758 22h ago
The government of Canada is going to increase it, well, for Canadians anyway.
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u/Ok_Raspberry7666 1d ago
Can they come from more than one country? Can you use your levers for that?
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u/FPpro 14h ago
this is something that isn't talked enough about. We do need more people to support the people we have now and canadians aren't having kids at the replacement rate. So the base of the solution is correct. But no one has seemingly addressed that in the past immigration was well spread out from various countries. Then came the rise of the Indian immigration scam and over a short period immigration from India completely dwarfed that of other countries. There should be an allocation system of sorts to keep things balanced.
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u/Typical_Platform853 12h ago
USA has that 7% and the country of birth determines that, and not the passport you hold.
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u/dart-builder-2483 1h ago
Yes, we were getting like a million a year. Immigration is a good thing, but it needs to be done properly, not a bunch of people coming and studying finance while they work at minimum wage jobs.
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u/AfternoonPlane4265 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because labour cost must stay low and real estate must stay high
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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 10h ago
She is removing labour market impact assessments which required employers to prove they could not find a Canadian to do the job.
This is grim.
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u/MeatBeatCAD 9h ago
Just a reminder they are removing the LMIA requirements and literally everyone's job here is at risk if they work for an opportunistic employer.
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u/sexotaku 1d ago
Funny how the federal government makes these announcements just before the Alberta referendum.
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u/YouProfessional3196 1d ago
The Carney government is going to perversely try to use the turnout for the other 9 questions on the AB referendum to try to argue that Canadians actually want more immigration because peope are angry at Smith. Trust and believe.
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u/MRobi83 1d ago
As the prime minister said, we want to have our economy be the best in the G7, and in order to do that, I need to use the levers that I have in my role as immigration minister,” Diab said.
Propping up our economic shortfalls through massive population growth Round 2! They're not even going to try to hide that fact this time.
Good thing affordability is the best it's been in ten years. Everybody here can now afford to buy homes, and we've all got family doctors and a great healthcare system right? Right? Sigh.
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u/InhospitableGoose 1d ago edited 1d ago
People talk all around this fact. Our entire economic system relies on constant growth. Pensions and other investment funds depend on it. I think we're a culture of immigrants and immigration is on the whole good and necessary, but I also think bringing in more immigrants than we can integrate is bad, and I think our own flatline birthrate is bad, and we were doing too much immigration with no plan to integrate under Trudeau. But to think these decisions being made have anything to do with what is good or bad for us socially is misguided. Its all about the numbers. At least they're being honest about it.
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u/YouProfessional3196 1d ago
Good thing unemployment is rising! Clearly indicating a labour shortage!
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Affordability isnt due to immigration. Its been a problem long before we increased it. Its gotten worse because of corporate greed and neoliberalism.
But please. Keep focusing on the wrong thing.
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u/MRobi83 1d ago
If we increase our population by millions, and build homes in the thousands, prices will go up. It's called supply and demand and is truly as basic as economics can get.
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
If only the problem was as simple as you..
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u/MRobi83 1d ago
Let's try one more... What happens when you increase population by millions but job growth does not keep pace? Unemployment goes up. Wages get suppressed as employers are able to always find someone who will do the same job for less pay because people get desperate for work.
I'd love you to explain to us all how mass immigration doesn't affect affordability as you claim when it pushes prices higher and wages lower.
Or would you rather just stick to insults instead of facts?
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Wages stayed stagnant and prices increased before we had increased immigration. Same with unemployment numbers. I'd love for you to explain how that is..
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
When did we not have immigration or the TFW program for seasonal industry?
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Did i say we used to take no immigrants?
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
Sorry, you did qualify it with "increased". Interesting to note though that housing affordability tracks almost PERFECTLY with the years in which we saw increased immigration.
You also can't possibly claim that if companies couldn't import foreign labour for a handful of months they wouldn't have to increase pay until a native took the job.
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u/haloimplant 13h ago
Yeah because we already had a lot of immigration, then when we got more and it got worse imagine that
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u/TheRoodestDood 1d ago
It sure is.
It's not only immigration but if you don't understand how immigration affects affordability maybe just listen to people who do?
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u/ABetterKamahl1234 1d ago
The problem is, those people tend to act and speak as if it's the only possible cause, ever.
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u/TheRoodestDood 22h ago
Would you like to be called hateful when you're not? It's a pretty big leap to go just because of what "those people" tend to do.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
It doesn't help by expanding the labour pool and devaluing its worth, allowing employers to keep wages lower than the market would require. It also increases demand for housing and services, while they were already artificially constrained makes the crisis worse.
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Again, you are mad at the wrong thing but too stupid to see it.
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u/SergeantSteiner 1d ago
You are the dumbest person in this thread yet the one quickest to throw out insults. I’d be pro immigration if we had the infrastructure right now to handle the population influx, but it’s clear to anyone with a brain cell floating around upstairs that’s currently not the case. We need to get our shit in order in terms of affordability and access to healthcare before we increase immigration levels. Maybe let more doctors in instead of people to work low wage/low skill jobs to suppress wages.
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
You think wages will increase and prices go down if we stop immigration? And you call me the dumb one? Thanks for the laughs
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u/SergeantSteiner 1d ago
Bringing in people without affordable housing available for them is somehow going to bring costs down? Are you seriously this dense?
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Prices are not gonna go down and wages are not gonna go up regardless of what we do with immigration. You are mad at the wrong thing
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u/SergeantSteiner 1d ago
I’m not mad at immigrants, they are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, and neither are most of the people you are responding to, you’re tilting at windmills there. I’m upset at the people enacting poor immigration policy. And telling me labour shortages don’t increase wages when I’ve seen my own wages increase dramatically the last 10 years due to a labour shortage in my field is a weird denial of how basic supply and demand works.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
And what is the thing I should be mad at, keeping in mind I'm a Marxist. I understand immigrants aren't the underlying reason we don't have enough (its the wealthy), but when we already don't have enough adding more to the bottom hurts the low income THE MOST while serving the purposes of the same capitalist class.
We need to kick off our capitalism AND THEN extend a warm hand to those across the globe, NOT the other way around.
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u/lajthabalazs 1d ago
Lots of problems with capitalism. Especially the inactive, rent seeking one that has been popular in Canada.
The other issue is dependency ratio, that has grown from 12% in 1970 to 31% today. And in the intersection of the problems elderly people holding real estate and renting it out at unsustainable rates.
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u/Mindless_Pain5192 1d ago
You can't separate "corporate greed" from rapid population growth. Mass labour importation is the neoliberal tool. Corporations lobbied for it to suppress wages and inflate asset values.
Don't take my word for it, let's look at publicly available info:
Housing (National Bank/CMHC): Canada historically added about 1.8 working-age people per housing start. In 2023, population grew 3.2% (1.27 million, roughly 5x the OECD average) and that ratio blew out to 4.2. When 4.2 people are bidding on every new unit, landlords have all the pricing power. Once growth was curbed in 2025-2026, asking rents started dropping in cities where completions outpaced population growth.
Wages (StatCan): National Bank called it a "population trap" in 2024. Headline GDP looked fine, but real GDP per capita fell back to 2017 levels. Why invest in productivity or raise wages when the government supplies endless cheap labour?
Healthcare (CIHI): Doctor supply grew 2.2% in 2024, yet family doctors per 100,000 people fell from 124 to 119 between 2022 and 2024. First time since the mid-90s that supply fell behind population growth.
Sure, structural problems existed before. But 3.2% growth on a system built for 1% wasn't a distraction from corporate greed. It was the fuel that let corporate landlords and low-wage employers cash in.
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u/DownvotesForGood 1d ago
It isn't because of it but it sure as hell isn't making anything better
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Historically, theres an economic boom following increase in immigration. So, what is different now? Is it immigrants? I dont fucking think so..
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u/DownvotesForGood 1d ago edited 1d ago
Edit: I fucking give up some people have their heads too far up their own ass to be reasoned with whatsoever.
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u/Desalvo23 1d ago
Fucking hell..
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u/DownvotesForGood 1d ago
Yeah. No you're right. Letting in more people and not building more houses for them will definitely help lower housing costs. Totally, for sure.
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u/InhospitableGoose 1d ago
Brother which booms are you talking about? Post war? Western settlement? Leduc? I mean all of those booms were predecated by major global events that changed the economy. Corellation does not equal causation. What have we got going on that would drive a sudden expansion? Nothing. The entire western world is run on a big ponzi scheme of eternal growth. Mass immigration is all about extracting every last dollar out of businesses and keeping pensions and other investment funds afloat. It's late stage neoliberalism. The big squeeze weve been feeling for decades. This is part of it.
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u/ShallowCup 1d ago
Mass immigration is directly tied to corporate greed and neoliberalism. Why do you think all the corporations push for it? It's because it gives them access to cheap labour.
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u/CryptographerNo2467 1d ago
Seriously, Billionaires fucking love mass immigration because it saves them a lot on wages.
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u/CriticalCanon 15h ago
Go back to the kids table and finish your chapters on “Supply and Demand” and “Root Cause Analysis”
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u/InhospitableGoose 1d ago
Mass immigration is neoliberalism and driven by corporate greed... Or at the very least, a complete lack of innovation and ingenuity. Status-quoism. Read the quote you're replying to, they're telling us directly now. And honestly, I prefer that.
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u/Tom67570 1d ago
I assume schools, healthcare accessibility, infrastructure, etc will be increased first though, right?
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u/Stock_Equipment8355 1d ago
Are they actually trying to create social tensions and problems? Because at this point it feels like it. When are they going to realize that this corporate model of unsustainable growth is NOT working and is the root cause of so many of this nation's problems but HEY it doesnt line the pockets of the shareholders so tough titty. I knew there was a problem when I watched 15 immigration consultancy agencies open up in my tiny little town. There is profit to be made selling a 'canadian life' to foreigners, IE; Abusing loopholes to obtain pathways for PR.
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u/haloimplant 13h ago
The housing prices and wages and bandaids to GDP are all short term, I have some more long term theories of what they are working on
Let's just say there are barriers to Canada's economic development that will no longer be a problem in Canada 2.0
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u/HugeCommittee6678 15h ago
How many people live in India? Like over a billion? How’s their GDP doing? Why do we have this idea that people will magically make the economy better. It’s delusional
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 7h ago
1.5 billion......50% with aspirations to become Canadian so they can eventually leave for the US.
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u/No_Independent9634 5h ago
It makes it better on paper because more people=more consumption.
Which we saw through the Trudeau years. Total GDP grew, GDP per capita did not. It's not sustainable though as we've already seen... You get a million people every year buying new homes, new couches etc driving economic activity but then you run out of homes... Healthcare falls apart.
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u/SaidTheSnail 4h ago
Canada would need to build and staff dozens of hospitals across the country TODAY just to meet current demand. Ramping up immigration without doing this is a tacit endorsement of worsening healthcare conditions.
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u/hehexDim12btw 14h ago
Not for this policy but India has one of the fastest growing economies in the world for awhile now. This is a simple google search away lol.
Growing your population is the easiest way to benefit the economy thats why politicians keep pushing it despite citizens wanting the opposite.
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u/HugeCommittee6678 14h ago
They have over a billion people and their gdp is $4.x trillion. Our gdp is $2.x trillion with under 40 million population. So obviously having all these extra people doesn’t correlate to a higher gdp.. This takes a little bit of common sense which you can’t get as easily as a google search, unfortunately for you.
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u/hehexDim12btw 14h ago
I said gdp growth. Take your time reading instead of relying on "common sense" :)
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u/Ambitious-Durian-758 22h ago
It seems CTV is trying to explain a very poor policy decision. Oh well.
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u/SparkleTheElf 12h ago
This is so incredibly stupid I don’t have the words. Our immigration system is a fucking nightmare for the immigrants (looking at the UN’s report to Canada’s modern-day slavery).
This has nothing to do with political alignment. The experts in this field have given the government a report that says, for everyone’s safety and security, we need to continue bringing immigrant numbers down.
The problem has begun healing and we’re tearing open the wound again. This will have devastating consequences for communities and will only stir up the racists more and more (reasonably, as fucked as that is).
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u/AshenStrayer 10h ago
Unironically, at this point, the 'racists' might effectively be running a much-needed counter-opposition against those policies thru the shift of the Overton Window, even if one might disagree fundamentally with them. Politicians tearing this "heal" over and over again show exactly why the counter-opposition is needed, since what we're saying isn't a heal at all, but rather controlled policy-pushing with the endgoal to push-and-release the slow-then-fast increase in immigrant numbers. Without the counter-opposition, the public at large would be much-less aware of this whole ordeal other than by a vague "things are getting worse", which would let politicians be mostly-unimpeded in their agenda, since "scientific researches explaining why it's bad" don't have the impact that they should have, but "social media posts of the angry informed&uninformed" paradoxically do, as an extension of the voice of the people thru the "public forum" of the Internet, something that nigh-everyone does at this year.
In essence, the creation of further "racism" reductively means that people are angry at the way it's going. Even if they aren't necessarily "against" other races existing, they might be against immigrants enough-so that their anger is a direct demonstration of that. And this shifts the opinion of others, which is the point; the government thus has more voices to answer to, instead of only those of the uninformed
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u/CapitalElk1169 9h ago
The only problem is they're just gonna vote CPC which has the exact same immigration platform as the Libs lol
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u/AshenStrayer 9h ago
Can't disagree, but we don't have any good option currently. I voted for PQ in Quebec (I live in big cities so the vote obviously went to the liberals), but, in Canada, ultimately, there aren't any good parties with a hard stance on immigration, even though, at this point, I'd take even something just moderately-not-as-bad compared to what the liberals are doing, even if it's just to buy us time until we have a proper government counter-opposition
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u/EclaireBallad 1d ago
If you voted for Mark Carney's liberals you supported this.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 22h ago
Liberal voters fell for it again 4x in a row and counting Award 🥇
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u/Jorji-the-Trainer 22h ago
Too bad the cons have Pierre as leader.
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u/Ambitious-Durian-758 22h ago
Canadians had the chance to pick Erin O’Toole, but they chose Trudeau. It is what it is.
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u/Danzig6WasntThatBad 21h ago
OToole lost because Conservatives hated him. Hell they ended up giving him the boot for being too progressive for the Progressive Conservative party.
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 13h ago
The federal Progressive Conservative party hasn't existed for almost a quarter century. Try to get with the times.
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u/Danzig6WasntThatBad 21h ago
OToole lost because Conservatives hated him. Hell they ended up giving him the boot for being too progressive for the Progressive Conservative party.
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u/CriticalCanon 15h ago
Nobody fears an unelected opposition leader who has never been in power like a defensive biased Liberal supporter who doesn’t want to hold THEIR elected officials accountable.
Try again lil one
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u/r4cid 14h ago
Simp harder for the guy who lost his own riding and ran to Alberta 🤣
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u/Emucks 13h ago
The federal conservative party has always had the worst possible leader at the helm in recent elections - it’s been theirs to loose, yet they keep propping up an unpopular leader within his own party at first with O’Toole, and then they put in the most uncharismatic possible guy, who lost them the last election by essentially running an American flavoured campaign. That’s the main reason why they lost, imo, i know a lot of folks who wouldve voted conservative for the first time for specific issues like the one highlighted in the post, but were turned completely off by him seemingly looking forward to being a trump lapdog…
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u/CriticalCanon 14h ago
PP could be blasted into the sun and I could give a shit.
You will never hear that from a Liberal simp as all they know is whataboutism and creating boogymen out of people not in power.
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u/Jorji-the-Trainer 11h ago
Trudeau was a bad PM. Had Carny run as a PC leader he would have won imo
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u/EclaireBallad 18h ago
Well yeah, canadian voters hate voting for Canadians.
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u/CriticalCanon 15h ago
Increased Immigration levels = for Canadians?
Are you a Tim Hortons franchise owner or just a biased simp?
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u/EclaireBallad 8h ago
Do you know how to read? I'm very anti replacing Canadians with India losers.
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u/AnotherThrowAway_9 22h ago
And what’s the other guys opinion on this? As if he’d reign it in. The third guy well, we already know.
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u/TheMadBaronRvUS 14h ago
PP campaigned on dropping intake to 250,00. The NDP campaigned on handing PR to everyone here on various foreign labour schemes. So no, the three main parties aren’t the same.
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u/ABetterKamahl1234 8h ago
PP campaigned on dropping intake to 250,00.
But his party is very all for immigration, they have a pretty good recent history of just being heavy opposition, but not making changes either.
His official stance is "reduce" but also "based on the needs of employers" which basically just means, if you want it, you have it.
The immigration system right now has a problem of common and frequent use of businesses requesting it, as there's no real limit or proper monitoring and control of that aspect.
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u/WeightedDips95 12h ago
But it’s easier to pretend they are so you can justify voting Liberal ad infinitum
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u/Key-Job-8303 4h ago
Immigration is important for this country for sure and I think most people would agree with that. The problem is that the immigration numbers are in my view where the problem started. If you’re in a big province like Ontario or BC or Alberta, they’ve got quite a few jobs so they wouldn’t see those stressors but in the Maritimes, it’s just creating hate and division and these poor people coming over have no clue what they’re getting into here with the local population being so against them. I feel bad for them because they’re being told one thing and then they’re coming to this country and you just have to go on any Facebook list to see the hatred and xenophobia that that’s being thrown at them. Although I have to say since Ukraine bombed the bot farms, Facebook is a better place, there were a lot of lists that had bot postings on them.
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u/manpan4887 1d ago
Listen I have no problem with the people who come here looking for a better life. And if I lived in a poor country relative to us and got a chance to come here I would jump at it.
I just think that politicans have been short sighted and used immigration to get cheap labor to companies to pad the gdp in order to try to win elections and show growth.
Im not an economist and I dont know how every facet of it effects everything else. But sense says that if you bring in over the span of a few years a couple new brunswicks worth of people. And if dont massively increase spending in Healthcare, housing and education to account for that.
Then things will get expensive and services worse. I think immigration overall is good and we do definitly need immigrants. But if the trade off for less congestion in our hospitals, less packed classrooms and housing price decreasing is that we may go into a recession or have a few other nasty economic consequences.
I say let it happen. The bill will come due eventually.
Idk
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u/travelingjack 12h ago
The rich (NB industriel families and big companies)make you believe that it's the Immigrant's fault, because they take your job. The RICH are the one creating the lack of job, and the minimum wages, not the immigrants.
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u/ThrowRA_EducatedMan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Demographics show that Canada needs immigration because Canadians are not having children. It’s as simple as that. A central problem is that we don’t really filter who comes in and from where and what education and skills they have. Many countries have limits on the percentage of newcomers based on country of origin. Canada has no such basic policy. So the most populated countries end up with the most people coming here instead of being more careful about needing healthcare professionals with acceptable credentials, for example. Places like NB are screwed because the population is increasingly old, younger people leave, and there’s economic decline and stagnation along with increasingly shitty education system. NB had a lot of promise with official bilingualism but never managed to institute a proper education system where every child that came out of high school is completely fluent in English and French. Instead, we let American cultural influences and racism win. We have declining numeracy and declining literacy and declining population and a crumbling healthcare system that isn’t yet near how bad it’s going to be as Boomers get even older. Immigration is needed but it isn’t a right for people to come here and Canada needs to attract and select professionals. Edit: just to add, even Anglophones coming out of the Anglophone school system are not fluent in English, fail at basic math, and have low literacy rates. NB needs educated people coming in because we aren’t producing them here.
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u/YouProfessional3196 1d ago
People are not having children because they can't afford housing, primarily because of excessive... you guessed it... immigration.
Immigration doesn't solve any kind of demographic issues anyways as those who come in don't have more kids so it is just a ponzi.
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u/New_Water_5695 1d ago
Yes I read somewhere that immigrants would stop having kids after coming to Canada
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u/ThrowRA_EducatedMan 1d ago
That’s not really true. There’s been a long term birth rate decline in Canada over decades. It isn’t merely because of affordability now.
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u/Quartrez 23h ago
It's happening all over the world. We should address the root cause instead of putting a band-aid on it because that won't make the hemorrhage stop.
It's not a million immigrants working at Timmies on minimum wage that are gonna save us.
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u/ABetterKamahl1234 8h ago
It's a conversion from property ownership being a "never fail investment" vehicle, to something that shouldn't be endlessly increasing in value, pulling the ladder up.
My parents bought their home 30 years ago for 88k, on a single income that was pretty high being about half that value.
If I bought the same house today, on my current 65k income, I'd be paying ~450k.
That's not at all sustainable. And much of it is because housing became a fully private sector, free-market thing. Public housing construction was utterly gutted, and markets aren't the race to the bottom people want to believe it is.
Immigrants didn't cause this at all, but they're a really easy scapegoat for a problem we shouldn't have had in the first place. We're a huge country, there's no reason for home values to be this way.
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u/doctortre 15h ago
What happened is that Western society shifted into a culture of "you need dual income to survive" - so the ultimate outcome is women spend a good portion of their child bearing years establishing their careers. Leaving little time to have 2+ kids.
Add in affordability now, youre seeing waves of late 30s and early 40s looking at the cost of everything and now second guessing having even one.
Directly related to affordability and it started decades ago.
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u/BurdensOfTruth 10h ago
Immigration isnt helping the housing issue but its not the primary cause. The issue is the wealthy using Canadian housing as an investment portfolio, many of of whom arent even Canadian. Houses have always had value as an asset but to the ruling class they are now assets before they are homes. The value has to stay high or even go up for their investments to pay off and if they can milk as much money as possible from renters then even better, although you would be shocked how much housing just sits empty because its just being treated as a stock or a gold bar sitting in a vault somewhere. Then there is the less wealthy older generation that makes up the majority of home owners who bought homes at 200k and are now worth a million+ who don't want the prices to go down. Then you end up in the position of the government who somehow has to make housing affordable yet also can't piss off all those boomers and rich folk or they will lose power and crater the economy of which a huge portion is housing. For the party in power, and yes this would be the same decision regardless of who is in power, its either political suicide or maintain the status quo.
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u/HelloSaintZed Saint John 11h ago
If they want the immigration level to be increased, cap by the origin country at 7% for diversity.
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u/travelingjack 5h ago
You all say that Tim's will be happy with that, but how much of yous are driving past and not stopping for a double double? Newly arriving immigrants don't want that ho so wonderful job that is Tim H, they just take what they can get.
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u/Ok-Number2357 46m ago
Man ya’ll really dont know whats happening? TFW is just a loophole for immigration. Ask yourself why there are hundreds of Job Bank posting looking for book keeper or retail store manager for $38/hr. Its because thats the wage req for tfw. These guys PAY the business for the job so they can earn points for their Pr
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u/LUFC_hippo 4h ago
House prices must remain high for boomers. Wages must remain low for boomer business owners. Elbows must remain up
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u/Accomplished-Cook633 3h ago
Thank god I was so afraid to lose 1 out of the 3 McDonald's on the same street in my town! ..
Ffs..
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u/Careful_Priority4990 3h ago
From what I read it sounds like IRCC will be taking over the high wage positions applications over from ESDC. Does that mean the end of the Labour market assessments?
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u/Old-Show9198 1h ago
Nobody wants this so why is it even on the table? Seems like a reminder is needed that they represent people not their lobbyists.
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u/PooPaLuPaLoo 1d ago
Propagating hate against immigrants has been something donenby self-serving groups for as long as history existed. It just astounds me how many people in this province have jumped on this bandwagon. Its quite telling about a person's character, frankly. The problems that we, and almost all other similar nations are experiencing has so so so little to do with immgration. It would litterally take a single google search and reading proper academic studies to see how complex and intertwined our issues are, yet a small but obnoxiously loud cohort of Canadians have swallowed up the extreme right-wing propaganda and will blame everything on immigration. Ironically enough, in my experience, people with this way of thinking are a net negative to our wconomy and society, where as the gross majority of immigrants contribute, individually, significantly more to the Canadian economy and community than the average native born Canadian.
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u/Mundane-State-7306 13h ago
This is a very ignorant small minded take that ignores everything which complicated your argument.
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u/PooPaLuPaLoo 10h ago
I honestly tried to understand what you just wrote, but....it litteraly makes no sense.
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u/Real-Relationship658 1d ago
How about we make individual who are on EI and social supports who can work apply for these jobs and/or get the training for these jobs?
Everyone is screaming immigrants are taking jobs away from Canadians -- well step up and apply for one.
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u/HoldFast31 1d ago
Good. I don't care that immigration isn't a perfect solution. We have a shrinking population without it and that's WAY worse.
If you're threatened by someone stepping off a plane with a suitcase and a dream, you suck. You just do.
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u/Quartrez 23h ago
We're not threatened by someone coming here with a suitcase and a dream. We're threatened by the government actively making millions of them enter the country with no concern for infrastructure and housing.
Also many immigrants just come here and want to turn this country into their shithole, let's call things as they are.
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u/Different_Pianist756 21h ago
Governments have an ethical and legal responsibility to ensure that services are available for citizens.
That’s not happening
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u/HoldFast31 15h ago
Thats exactly what they're doing. Every single service you rely on dies when the population shrinks. Would you prefer a forced breeding program?
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u/revizionizt 14h ago
Thats exactly what they're doing
It's really not. You can increase population through immigration, increase inequality and lower general living standards. That seems to be the norm today. You're assuming a political interest in funding public services which isn't there. A smaller population might be more open to redistribution and change that would benefit median citizen than a bigger growing one. Most of these immigrants are younger and self-interested and more likely to support reforms that would economically benefit them at the cost of people on welfare or whoever you think is going to be the net beneficiaries
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u/HoldFast31 4h ago
Literally every single complaint levied against more immigration is a provincial issue.
The federal government isn't responsible for hospitals and schools.
Blame the conservative premiers who are ratfucking ever single service in the country every time the vote swings a little bit right.
The feds are not to blame and they would be failing if they allowed population shrinkage to occur.
You also can't speak for "most of these immigrants" so maybe take a step back from this one before you fall into the deep end of the bigot pool.
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u/OttawaDog 1d ago
While the anti-immigration types are still calling for roundups and expulsions, the reality is we NEED significant immigration.
Canada hasn't had a population sustaining birth rate since 1972. Just holding our population steady requires significant immigration.
On top of that we have a rapidly aging population, which make a significant growth rate necessary, which requires more immigration.
These are just the basic facts of life, but don't let that get in the way of endless complaining about immigrantion.
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u/Appropriate_Car_3711 17h ago
It will be from India and sub-Saharan Africa, not Europe, unfortunately
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u/travelingjack 13h ago
All I hear is whining, but I did not see anyone bring a solution to the table. You don't want to pay more taxes, you don't want to do those jobs that are ''below you'' and you don't want to learn French, well, we need more people to do all those things. We need more people to pay taxes, to do those jobs you don't like and we need people who are ready to make a life for themselves, get a job and pay taxes.
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u/AVRVM 12h ago
The jobs targeted by the new announcement are all white collar jobs. This is wage suppression and GDP juicing. Canada's economy has become completly in service of immigration and not the other way around.
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u/FlowerNo6477 9h ago
exactly, Trudeau was cooking up the GDP through increasing immigration, even before the pandemic, and it has not improved Canadian lives. Not in the slightest.
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u/Ok-Fly7318 12h ago
The job market is stretched right now, many Canadians are struggling to find a job it's not for a lack of trying and its about to get even more competitive driving wages down. Your right, This is a way for The government to generate more tax dollars but it's at The expense of canadians, the other solution is to spend less friverously as a government. We've gotten better but we are coming out a decade of gross overspending by the government that were still recovering from.
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u/Ok-Lawfulness1515 7h ago
The solution is precisely to do nothing. Why dont we let wage catch up instead of doing our damndest to support pay-for-immigration fraud, zombie businesses without viable revenue plans, and drain wages.
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u/travelingjack 5h ago
Ladies and gentleman, the SOLUTION. The population is aging and shrinking, someone needs to pay taxes to keep this system going, so we should just wait till there is no one to take care of us when we are old? This is why this province is in the hole to start with
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u/Decent-Box5009 7h ago
You don’t bring in more immigrants who have no choice but to take those low wage jobs and those corporations would be forced to offer higher wages.
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u/Sea_Tonight_9632 6h ago
Mass immigration has been and always will be about wage suppression, and this is just further proof of that.
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u/No_Independent9634 5h ago
There's two sides to it.
One, a lot of people are struggling to get jobs. PT work is almost impossible to find for youth. We have no need for low skill labour. We also have suppressed wages because of a surplus of workers. We also do not need a Tim Hortons within 10minutes of every location. If they can't sell enough to pay their workers properly, then close.
The other side, we do in need immigrants in select sectors. We need to be very targeted in the immigrants we bring in. Skilled in areas of need like healthcare...
Open the floodgates to healthcare immigrants. Shut the door for low skill. Unemployment is rising. There's no need.
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u/Vishnu_Rajalingam 5h ago
No job is below anyone! What happens is immigration suppresses wages - which makes many jobs simply not worth doing for many Canadians! And don’t think it is worth it for immigrants. It’s not. Most immigrants stick to such jobs until they get their PRs and once that is done - they leave those jobs too in search of other, better jobs - which will by the way suppress the wages of those jobs too. There’s a reason there is a near-constant labour shortage for many jobs! They are not worth anybody’s time, so no one wants to do it (only because it doesn’t pay enough). Such employers never want to invest to increase productivity and compete for workers! They want the cheapest labour possible so they keep complaining about labour shortages and the Liberal Party just keeps pandering to such interests.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 1d ago
Canada is still more than 60% white, it needs more diversity.
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u/Infamous-Ad-770 1d ago
Jfc the first thing you think about is people’s skin color, not is it economically feasible, is it gonna put a strain on services, keep wages low.
Grow the fuck up
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u/haloimplant 13h ago
This is definitely part of it, but not for vague feel good reasons I think they have a plan
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u/chinesebulk 1d ago
Tim Hortons is crying tears of joy right now