r/nhl • • 4d ago

Alex Debrincat Signs 7-Year Extension With Red Wings ($13M AAV)

https://puckpedia.com/signing/10840
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u/Artistic_Cow_1817 4d ago

Horcoff finally got the login

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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease 3d ago

And signed a 30 year old who doesn't move the needle to a mega deal. Detroit confuses me. Just stuck in no man's land it feels like

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u/shoot2scre 3d ago

28 years old, 40 goal scorer...? Who needs those kind of players. Truly confusing.

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u/hbgoldenhawk 3d ago

Yup he sucks. I would hate to have playing for st. Louis

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u/shoot2scre 3d ago

Senators fans have to be the dumbest Canadian fan base. Consistently terrible takes.

"Signing a 28 year old, 40-goal scorer who wants to be with the originization he grew up watching" - is apparently confusing in Ottawa.

13mil/yr for him feel like a slight home town discount by the Carlsson standard.

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u/Keys_A 3d ago

It’s a good deal for both Detroit and debrincat.

Saying that debrincat left Ottawa in the same matter as Brady. And openly said something along the Lines of him not really putting in the effort while playing for Ottawa. It showed in his play.

I don’t think any sens fan believes he’s a bad player. But if They do they are either blinded by their hate or they think he still plays the same way he did in Ottawa. Definitely didn’t play like a 40 goal scorer in Ottawa.

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u/HazardHouse 3d ago

How many goals does he have to get to move the needle?

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u/R1CO95 3d ago

There’s no amount. Auston Matthews chases 70 goals and they don’t go past the 1st round in the playoffs. McDavid gets 153 points in a season and is a 2nd round exit. 1 player doesn’t move the needle, a team moves the needle

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u/HazardHouse 3d ago

So… don’t sign any players then? Got it, let me write that one down.

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u/-SlowBar 3d ago

Me when I'm genuinely stupid

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u/AdFlat4908 3d ago

^ eats rocks

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u/ducksa 3d ago

Get this lad a dictionary

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u/McJoe77 3d ago

I thought he was 30 too, but he is only 28. There’s some sticker shock and the end of this deal might be rough, but the Wings needed some good news and they needed a new ceiling to the “can’t pay anyone more than Seider” nonsense.

This is a fine deal, it’s not amazing, but it’s fine.

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u/SpareCardiologist273 3d ago

Dog shit take

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u/-darkest 4d ago

Weird to get cat done before Edvinsson

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u/TimeNo2738 3d ago

Nah wait too long and you have an Ed situation. Lock your proven players in ASAP. Cat paid his dues with his first deal.

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u/Spear994 3d ago

My dumb hope is that Chris Illitch is just stuck on "can't make Ed the highest paid player on the team".

So Horcoff is like fine. Here you go Cat. Can we fucking give Ed 7xWhatever now?

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u/shoot2scre 3d ago edited 3d ago

Can't sign players today based on what you signed your best players for years ago.

The "can't pay you more than Seider" nonsense, never made sense.

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u/Eazy3006 3d ago

Happy for Detroit. Well deserved good news.

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u/LQNova 3d ago

Why ty!

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u/aintnochallahbackgrl 3d ago

Careful - theyre just trying to butter us up to take Larki---

Bring on the butter!

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u/LQNova 3d ago

Mmmmm butter

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u/Competitive_Ad1237 3d ago

I like that for Red Wing fans it’s some good news

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u/RogueCoon 3d ago

We needed anything

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u/SpareCardiologist273 3d ago

The sympathy from fans around the league is nice. I feel like Goku collecting energy for a spirit bomb. In reality it’s just bringing me back from the ledge a few inches

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u/SpareCardiologist273 3d ago

Fans around the league feeling sorry for us, more so than usual. I guess I'll take it. Why, thank you kind sir!

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u/RedOnesEnjoyer 6h ago

Hey man, if you ever need someone to talk to, just know that Hawks fans are here.

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u/Successful-Deer8804 4d ago

The Leo Carlsson offer sheet will go down in history.

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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease 3d ago

It made everyone go wacky...the cap didnt go up THAT much, percentages are higher than ever now

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u/swallowrazors 4d ago

Never thought it would happen.

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u/Foreign_Cobbler_1740 3d ago

Yesterdays 8mil dollar contracts are today's 13mil dollar contracts. Is the cap expected to rise by 50%? I haven't really been tracking the projections.

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u/R1CO95 3d ago

28-29 season has projections all the way to $127.5mil vs the current $104mil

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u/KING_SHERBROOKE 4d ago

Lots of snarky comments from Sens fans geez I wonder why lol

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u/hotknives 3d ago

He sure showed us by going to a 1 win dumpster fire, boy oh boy!

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u/LSO19 3d ago

you're never guess who we got the one win against.....

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u/travelingisdumb 3d ago

Out of all the teams in the NHL to trash talk, the sens are on of the few where it’s just comically silly. I’m sorry, but you can’t talk shit to the Red Wings when your franchise has never won a cup

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u/ehpotsirhc_ 3d ago

Wonder what garbage team the Wings were able to beat…

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u/_Kramerica_ 3d ago

Didn’t you get smoked by the Leafs of all teams last year? Don’t you guys have zero cups? I’ll never understand why you Sens fan flap your gums…

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u/hotknives 3d ago

Yes, the playoffs we've been in the last 2 years in a row. It's going on 11, let's be honest 12 because this isn't the year, since you've even sniffed at the playoffs.

Your captain wants out, but no one will take him and one of your better D flew across the world to attend camp and promptly left with no contract in hand only to demand a trade.

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u/Least-Design-6873 3d ago

Wow! Two years in a row?! Plan the parade!

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u/_Kramerica_ 3d ago

Cat wanted out. Got out. Brady wanted out. Got out. Nobody cares about participation trophy’s bro, either win or pipe down.

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u/zech65 3d ago

Larkin wanted out and you guys a
can’t even do that right

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u/shoot2scre 3d ago

Sens fans salty nobody wants to play there and their organization is so shit, they just ship them out for pennies.

"Why come you no give away Larkin?" is definitely a take.

Dumbest Canadian fan base. All salt, no substance.

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u/King-Leaf-67 3d ago

Their fanbase is made up of broke Leafs and Habs fans.

I'm glad everyone else is seeing what we deal with.

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u/zech65 3d ago

You know what you’re right, we’re such a horrible franchise. Tell you what, we’ll take some time to reflect on our actions and then in March you can tell us about how great the Red Wings are doing and lead by example. How does that sound?

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u/hotknives 3d ago

Keep hugging those 25 year old memories.

Soon enough your playoff hopes can make a trip across the border to Windsor and I can buy it a real beer.

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u/LSO19 3d ago

25 year old memories are better than no memories

Remember when your franchise point leader dumped you to come to us? Good memory👍

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u/umbraviscus 3d ago

Its literally impossible to try to banter with Wings fans because of this atomic bomb that you have over us. How am I supposed to figure out a comeback to "the greatest player in your franchise history left your team and retired a red wing because he wanted a real chance at the cup" its fucking devastating

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u/King-Leaf-67 3d ago

And then he left the Sens coaching staff for the Leafs

Even your franchise icons don't want to associate with the Senators

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u/Taters23 3d ago

Buddy you are going to die with zero Sens memories at all. Luckily I can't say the same for myself.

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u/umbraviscus 3d ago

But neither Brady or Debrincat have won so what does this mean

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u/OkraNo8365 3d ago

lol enjoy cheering on your poverty franchise

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u/_dooozy_ 3d ago

Getting this done before Edvinsson’s deal is concerning I think he’s probably not returning to Detroit at this point

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u/LSO19 3d ago

Also might be a wake up to him and his agent. If Cat is signing for 13 than maybe he reconsiders his demands but who knows

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u/McJoe77 3d ago

What have been his reported demands? I’ve read 7 years for between 9 and 11. Unfortunately for the Red Wings, I think that Zeev Buium deal is the floor for the Edvinsson one. Edvinsson is really good and getting better and if the cap goes where we think it will, that’s going to be a steal towards the end of it. Even with Debrincat at 13, 11 is still reasonable for Edvinsson.

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u/WontSwerve 3d ago

Why tf are there so many angry Sens fans in here?

This is bizarre

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u/thehockeytownguru 3d ago

Chicago fans can finally STFU, about him going there.

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u/SnooOnions5029 3d ago

I can’t help but feel like this may slightly decrease the odds of the oilers trading for him at the deadline

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u/Uno_worldchamp2009 3d ago

Thats good news for detroit, I guess you never really know whats going on behind the scenes. He could have easily rode out the seasons, but I guess he really does want to stay in Detroit. Detroit fans will be happy to have a positive news update this week.

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u/hotonicee 3d ago

The "highest paid player" arbitrary ceiling is such an antiquated way of thinking. The market changes constantly; Seider's deal was a steal then, not a benchmark for future stars.

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u/world_citizen7 3d ago

Exactly, like people who argue "Is player X better than MacKinnon o McDavid" - well of course not, it's just that the market is different.

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u/Specialist-Ad-9371 2d ago

Seems to be working for some teams tho

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u/nonebutmyself 4d ago

There's your new captain to guide the team through the upcoming rebuild.

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u/Weary-Monk9666 3d ago

I still prefer Seider for the C but wouldn’t be mad if Cat got it

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u/drrtydan 3d ago

after he re-signed HERE? yeah i can see it.

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u/PavelDadsyuk13 3d ago

I would agree but I think there's too much sentiment in favor of Seider as captain already. also a very good choice though.

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u/RogueCoon 3d ago

I won't be mad at all if Mo or Cat get it. Anyone else would raise an eyebrow.

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u/capamericapistons 3d ago

We been rebuilding for like 10 years now 😂

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u/CaptReynolds_ 3d ago

Woo! My Wings actually DID something. Chris Ilitch can still fuck off.

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u/middleagedstudent 3d ago

Teams with a lot of room will need to sign their bottom at higher prices too. Unless they can trade for vets and /or their rookies play amazing at entry level prices. A contender like Montreal 's window isnt as big as people make it out to be.

The rookies won't be given the same leash as Suzuki had been given for example. Fans expecting Hage to come in and contribute and be a legit 2C is hilarious.

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u/umbraviscus 3d ago

Bout the going rate, I think a lot of this contract was paid for by outplaying his previous contract. They owed him for being under 8m before.

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u/amach9 4d ago

Lmfao

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u/thehockeytownguru 3d ago

Stay classy Ottawa! Stay classy!

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u/Hal0P3a 3d ago

Prolly a captain deal 👀

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u/kjd85 3d ago

Surprised he didn’t want to go to Minnesota

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u/Responsible-Fox-9082 3d ago

I'll take a Zac Benson and Josh Doan for an extra million....

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u/Takhar7 3d ago

How have they managed to get the DeBrincat business wrapped up BEFORE the Edvinsson business?

What a bizarre hockey club, man.

Good deal for Detroit fans - finally something they can be happy with.

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u/panompheandan 2d ago

Good for him and he seems like a very good teammate but there's no universe where he's worth 13 million dollars

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u/Responsible-Smell561 3d ago

I am fine with this. Even signing him for that long, I think Cat can keep the pace for a while. Unfortunately, it looks like Ed is probably gone. I expected him to get a signing before DeBrincat. Once Charmin is gone, I think the team at least gets a morale boost. It has to suck watching your 1C skate like he's on a date at rink. It does as a fan. Also, obligatory SELL THE TEAM CHRIS

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u/doclobster 3d ago

Seems like a reasonable contract, yeah?

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u/Global-Tie-3458 3d ago

Nice! They should trade him. Think he’d waive? /t

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u/Ub3ros 4d ago

That might hurt down the line

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u/MariachiArchery 4d ago

Nah, this contract will age nicely.

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u/accountnumber02 3d ago

Well it depends on how you value debrincat I guess. He's good, but in 28/29 he'll be 31 and paid equivalent to 9M pre cap jumps. For reference, konecny signed at 8.75 that year at 27 years old. Debrincat is good but you better hope his play ages well into his 30s for this to be worth it.

Sam Reinhart also signed for 8.6 that year after scoring 57 and 39 in back to back cup winning seasons. But that's kinda unfair since he obviously took a discount to stay there

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u/Ub3ros 4d ago

His play might, but that's a lot of money on a dude with trade protection if they change ownership or management sometime soon and do a full teardown. Your 1C wants out. That's a piece that's almost impossible to replace without a high draft pick. This core has had a failure to launch and needs a lot of tinkering if Larkin goes. Locking down Debrincat says they wanna try to push, but it just doesn't seem very realistic. I'd even think higher salary with no trade protection would have made more sense for the wings. Leave options open.

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u/MariachiArchery 4d ago

13m is a lot less than you think it is for a 40g guy. In two seasons, the cap is going to be like 130m.

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u/_Kramerica_ 3d ago

Anybody else signs this deal and they’re geniuses. Us, and it’s horrible. Lol, clowns.

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u/TimeNo2738 3d ago

We can’t do anything right lol. We love the Cat and if you saw how hard he works every game and the positivity he brings then you would understand.

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u/WanderingDelinquent 4d ago

I think it’s less about his value and more about: should they have signed him for 7 years before figuring out the direction of the team?

Edvinsson and Larkin want out, what does this team look like if they’re both traded?

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u/Ub3ros 4d ago

Did you even read my comment? It's the trade protection that is my principal concern. I'd prefer to see more AAV with no protection.

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u/MariachiArchery 3d ago

that's a lot of money on a dude with trade protection if they change ownership or management sometime soon and do a full teardown.

Dude, he's signing this deal at like the lowest of the lows man. If he wanted out, now was the time. And like, what would a full tear down even look like? Do you expect Raymond and Mo to get shipped? Not happening.

This core has had a failure to launch and needs a lot of tinkering if Larkin goes.

I mean... kind of. Honestly, our biggest problem was probably Larkin. Yzerman could not build a playoff team around Dylan Larkin. Who's fault is that, I guess we'll never know, but people had been calling for Larkin's head for a while now. Regarding the rest of the core, things are actually progressing nicely, and Cat's signing helps that a lot. All that's left to do is sign Ed, and the D core is solid. Goaltending prospect pool is great. Do we have issues up top? Of course we do, but their are some bright spots in the pipeline. There is still time to build around a core of Cat, Ed, Mo, Raymond, and now Finnie and MBN, and hopefully Kasper and our other younger defenseman.

Fully agree this team is two top 6 centers away from actually contending, but that's kind of it at this point. Which, as someone who's been following this, is really frustrating. The team was close man. If you go and look at the lines, just a 2C added to this lineup solves so many offensive issues. It would shove all the problem depth pieces back down the lineup, and all of the sudden the team actually looks great. And at some points, has been great. Remember when we were first in the Atlantic?

Now, regarding the actual NTC/M-NTC: "NTC Yr 1-4, 10 team trade list Yr 5, 18 team M-NTC Yr 6, 13 team M-NTC Yr 7" This is fucking chill dude. Fully expected this, and it's fair. He's giving us 4 years to retool this bullshit, and then he's giving us a pretty reasonable out. And like, dude, 80% of top 6 forward in the NHL have trade protection.

Cat's clauses are team friendly here compared to other top line players, very friendly.

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u/_Kramerica_ 3d ago

Well it’s not your team so don’t worry about what you’d like to see, nobody cares.

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u/astonsilver47 4d ago

He’s scored 40 three times: 18-19, 21-22, and 25-26.

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u/rotten167 4d ago

Change ownership lol

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u/Ub3ros 3d ago

That's the way more unlikely one but i tossed it in there just to make a point

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u/humainbibliovore 4d ago

Debrincat’s happy to just collect his points and salary on a subpar team and call it a day once playoffs come around. Good for him

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u/ExAthlete69 4d ago

I’m sure it has nothing to do with wanting to stay in the area that he is from

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u/humainbibliovore 4d ago

Oh true he’s from Michigan eh. Okay well can’t blame someone for wanting to work close to home

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u/AdRepresentative3446 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ah yes, wise words from the playoff giants in Ottawa. A team with so much winning history that Chris Neil barely got his jersey retired. We could all learn more about winning from the Sens.

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u/humainbibliovore 3d ago

Deforming what I said to make it easier to attack lol.

I never mentioned winning history. I’m talking about current competitiveness. A player who wants to win doesn’t go to Detroit for its multiple cups 10 years ago

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u/netflixnailedit 4d ago

Is he worth that?

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u/amach9 4d ago

Only in Detroit so he doesn’t leave too

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u/netflixnailedit 4d ago

Sets him up to probably be their next captain, even though he has a resting bitch face

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u/Own_Flower1947 3d ago

Mo is likely to be the next Captain. Cat wants to be near his family and where he grew up. For some guys that's more important.

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u/Southbird85 3d ago

ADc said he wanted to go to a "winner" as well, you're kinda glossing over that bit.

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u/CzechHorns 3d ago

But then he wouldn’t go to Ottawa either, right?

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u/Southbird85 3d ago

Works for me. We started doing better once he fucked off to his hometown. Enjoy mediocrity, Alex!

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u/CzechHorns 3d ago

I’m honestly super confused why are y’all so butthurt about him not coming to Ottawa, he played for y’all one year total.

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u/netflixnailedit 3d ago

I’d love that, another German superstar & Stuzles best friend LOL I watch hockey for the friendships

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u/Own_Flower1947 3d ago

I honestly love their friendship. Can't stand Stutzle on the ice when we play him (cause he's so good 😂) but I love him off ice.

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u/No-Goal 3d ago

Big overpay

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u/Dismal-Safety3524 3d ago

Well he just guaranteed he will never win anything 🤣

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u/ElDuderino2112 3d ago

Genuinely I can't believe anyone is signing extensions with the Red Wings with the shape of that organization right now lmao

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u/Necessary-Mousse8518 3d ago

Wow, if this is actually true Debrincat will probably start regretting this within 2 years......

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u/GoBoltz 3d ago

will get traded in 3 yrs to a contender . . . Be very lol if it was the hawks !

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u/-SlowBar 3d ago

You said contender

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u/GoBoltz 3d ago

Yeah, don't see the Wings doing it anytime soon & will sell him off for another "rebuild",

Hawks might be back up top in 3 years, they seem to be trending up !