r/oakville • u/Pumpkin_spicyyy • 23h ago
Rant What is wrong with our hospitals?
Sorry for this very much over done topic, but genuinely what is wrong with our hospitals? Is it just OTMH or is it all provincial hospitals?
I have not once heard of a friend, family member, or colleague have a hospital experience where they received proper, timely and respectful care.
Every incident I hear about pertains to how the hospital runs like a zoo, the wait times are chaotic despite how serious your condition is, the staff is highly unprofessional and dismissive of patients, etc. If anyone cares to read, I have two completely insane experiences that I have witnessed first hand at this hospital that made me lose total trust and respect for this facility:
1- a woman entered the emergency department with a very serious allergic reaction to seafood. She was unable to breathe, choking, losing colour in her face. I was looking at the nurse in triage as they were the closest nurse nearby to flag him down and he looked directly at the patient, looked back at his computer screen, typed some notes on their computer (I’m assuming for the previous patient), checked his phone, sipped some coffee and nonchalantly resumed typing on his computer. The woman with the severe allergy was not addressed for several minutes despite being in a very dangerous state.
2- code blue was called over the intercom for a man who was on the way to the hospital via ambulance. A second code blue was called moments after his arrival. I could overhear one of the nurses laughing in the hallway and expressing that he had already died. Yes. She was full on laughing/ giggling.
I, along with many others, can list various horrible stories as the ones I have mentioned above. It makes me so incredibly worried for our health care system and whether or not my family, friends, colleagues or myself will receive appropriate care in time if something severe occurs. I apologize for the rant. I feel so hopeless after witnessing these incidents and knowing nothing will change.
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u/Luckykitty91 15h ago
I know a nurse who works at OTMH (not in Emerg, but still) and she said the amount of people who will drive to OTMH just because it's a new hospital is contributing to the problem. Many people are driving past the hospitals in their area (that are better), just because ours is a new building they assume they'll get better and faster care. The nurses and Dr's also offer these patients to be transfered to their more local hospital for them, and they often decline. That alone would make up a pretty significant amount of the over crowding issue.
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u/babatofu 12h ago
This is what happened in this tragic case.
Whether the outcome would have been different if they had simply gone to their home hospital, Joseph Brant, no one will ever know.
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u/Luckykitty91 12h ago
So terrible. My GP also told us if we ever have an emergency situation with the young kids to skip otmh and head right to Mac or sick kids though, this is when they were infants. Who knows if that would still be the same advice with kids who are a bit older like in that poor boy's case
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u/RiverOaksJays 13h ago
I donate monthly to the hospital. I met with a representative from the charitable foundation that supports the hospital. She said the hospital is very popular with people from Brampton and Burlington.
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u/Exact_Sir_1341 42m ago
When i lived in Mississauga my neighbour went to deliver her child at OTMH, all the way from where we lived. It was a planned choice and we were a couple minutes from CVMH.
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u/DietCokePeanutButter 23h ago
It is mostly Doug Ford's fault and the remainder is the fault of the dipshits who go to the ER for a hang nail
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u/Click_To_Submit 19h ago
Go look up “triage” to learn why that’s a terrible option. For minor concerns you go to your family doctor or a walk in clinic. Going to the ER for that stuff contributes heavily to the very mess we’re in.
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u/tremendousdynamite 17h ago
Sounds like you need to become a hospital admin, nurse or doctor to show them how it’s done!!
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u/canamurica 15h ago
The irony of this comment.
Imagine if the ER treated every dipshit for their non life threatening issues? It would spur an even more outrageous response from OP.
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u/OkRB2977 23h ago edited 21h ago
8 years of Dougie is what’s wrong with our hospitals and both of Oakville’s MPPs are from PC so we’ve done our part.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_luve 15h ago
This . People will keep voting PC and Doug will keep sifting money to his buddies .
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u/Catsareawesome1980 14h ago
Absolutely!!’ I went there one time and people were blaming Justin Trudeau for the lack of healthcare services in the long wait and I told them no I said the auditor general of Ontario blasted Doug Ford for his healthcare spending in other words. It’s a provincial matter. The Justin Trudeau critics were very quiet and didn’t say anything. I mean it’s easy to blame the feds, but the money is spent according to the provincial government and Doug Ford is just doing a terrible job a terrible job.
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
Unfortunately he can’t be blamed here. They were warning about this in the early 2010s. Oakville would be fine if people from Mississauga and Brampton weren’t coming here. Brampton has .07 beds per 1000 people and the average is over 2. Lack of investment and immigration as well as elderly people waiting for beds in long term care.
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u/Iwannafightmida 9h ago
Sure, that’s why the nurses in the hallway were laughing after someone died en route.
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u/PracticalLeek 8h ago
…. Sigh.
They don’t announce who a code blue is for.
Why would they call a code blue if he died during transport.
Why would the nurses be laughing. They’d be annoyed at best for the incorrect code call.
This OP is obviously an unreliable narrator.
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 7h ago
You’re entitled to your own opinion of me being an “Unreliable narrator” but I was there to witness it with my own eyes and ears. Whether you choose to believe it is your choice. I saw the female nurse head towards the room that the code blue was called for, laughing and saying that he is already dead. The lack of empathy is what terrified me in this situation.
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u/Soggyblanketbunny 6h ago
You are mistaking normal coping mechanisms in a stressful job for a lack of empathy.
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u/PracticalLeek 6h ago
She couldn’t care less about nurses or hospital staff.
Her whole story about ‘never known a single person who’s had a good experience’
And judging that nurse for doing his assigned job. Why would he be stressed?
Also no comment on the conduct of code team. Where’s her scathing commentary?” the RT sighed on the way in. 😢I’m scared 4 my lyfe.-1
u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 6h ago
Laughing at someone’s death is a “normal coping mechanism” huhhh? Please reread what you wrote
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u/PracticalLeek 6h ago
But you can’t address the inconsistency in your story about how codes are called.
Or your ridiculous observation about an allergic reaction. Once again, you’re not a medical professional and that individual did receive care.0
u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 6h ago
What was inconsistent about my story? Or how was my observation ridiculous when I witnessed someone having an allergic reaction infront of my eyes? Trying to put someone down for having a different opinion that you really screams insecure
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u/PracticalLeek 5h ago
It’s not a different opinion, you’re being dishonest and ignorant.
Code teams respond to codes. Not random nurses wandering and laughing. I doubt your story very much. Your description of the code and response is completely wrong.
That guy was doing his JOB. Is he not allowed to have a coffee? And just because you found the reaction frightening, doesn’t mean they did. And they RECEIVED CARE. So you’re just being judgemental and petty.
Also your crap about being ‘terrified’ grow up. Being a nurse in an understaffed ward is terrifying. Being a doctor without clean equipment is terrifying. Being an ems going into an unsafe environment to provide care is terrifying.0
u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 5h ago
You’re arguing against things I never actually said. I never claimed to know everything happening behind the scenes, nor did I say nurses aren’t allowed to have coffee or that healthcare workers don’t have difficult jobs.
My concern was the apparent lack of urgency in situations I personally witnessed. In the first instance, I saw someone having a severe allergic reaction, and I was disturbed by what I perceived as a lack of immediate attention. You can disagree with my interpretation, but that doesn’t make my account “dishonest or ignorant”. And saying that the patients eventually received care doesn’t automatically address my concern about how the situation unfolded. The fact that someone received care and whether the response appeared timely and appropriate are two different questions.
I also never said being a nurse, doctor, or paramedic isn’t terrifying. In fact, my entire post is about being frightened by the possibility that people might not receive appropriate care when they need it most.
It’s your choice to disagree with my interpretation of what I witnessed, but repeatedly calling me dishonest, ignorant, and judgmental doesn’t actually refute anything I’ve said.
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u/PracticalLeek 5h ago
You don’t know what a severe reaction that warrants urgency is. And you don’t know what appropriate care is. Your ‘feelings’ seem to the only thing that matters. Hence the ignorance.
You commented on that man’s conduct, yet he did nothing wrong. Ignorant and judgemental. Petty as well. “Sipped his coffee nonchalantly” more of your feelings. Do you know what his job is? No.
You claimed NO ONE you’ve never met in your life has had a good experience here.You’re running a little smear campaign so let’s not pretend you have any respect for health care. You didn’t mention that once.
Many people have commented on the excellent care they’ve received, yet no response from you, just a little cry fest with other people airing grievances.
Your description a code blue is incorrect, from the transport to the response. Which makes me feel like you misunderstood the situation or are lying. Your description makes no sense.
And you said I sound insecure? What an odd thing to say.
I’m happy to donate to my local hospital here and they’ve saved the lives and provide care to the people I love.
You came here to complain and wanted like minded people to pile on.
You don’t volunteer, you don’t donate, you’ve obviously not educated yourself in triage and you won’t engage with anyone who’s pointing out the government/ policy/ patient attitude. You just want people to be outraged with you. It’s obscene.
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u/PracticalLeek 5h ago
Just an fyi, nurses are the only profession where an adult can sexual/ physical or verbally assault you and face no charges.
30+ percent of nurses are assaulted in a year at work and they estimate 40-80% of cases go unreported.
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u/skeetyeeter96 6h ago
Wynne promised to fix this!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/health-care-election-1.4661186
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u/detalumis 17h ago
Nothing to do with him. They were bad before that. I sat with a dying neighbour for 3 weeks pre "Dougie" and thought I was in One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest.
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u/Ok-Butterscotch1282 10h ago
He’s made it significantly worse
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u/PracticalLeek 5h ago
Of course he is, but it’s important to address the initial siren was blaring in the 2010s and no one did anything about it. This is a systematic issue, not a one party issue. Even with funding, we need beds and buildings that don’t exist.
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u/PracticalLeek 5h ago
Why are we being downvoting.
In the 2010s they release a ‘dire report’ this is all just coming home to roost.
Yes, he’s not helping and underfunding, but the writing was on the wall.
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u/echamsou 21h ago
My wife works at the hospital in Mississauga, they've been running at150-200% capacity for the last 4 years that she worked there. Funding is being cut, programs are been cut, nurses are not getting paid enough. They see all sorts of crazy shit on daily basis, it's only natural to become desensitized. Yes health care is overloaded and failing, and by design. Dougy is making sure of that. He would love to go private. So next time you are in ER, be patient. They trying their best with what they have.
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u/rattitude23 14h ago
M site has been been at that capacity for over a decade. We're the busiest ER in Ontario, and iirc, during covid we were the busiest in Canada
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u/PracticalLeek 4h ago
Tell your wife she’s a G. ❤️Appreciate her. My nephew got incredible in Mississauga, saved his life.
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u/NoEquivalent3869 23h ago
It’s much worse now that many nurses quit as well https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-fifteen-er-nurses-leave-ontario-hospital-overcrowding-safety-issues/
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 23h ago
Really don’t blame them… would never want to work in an environment that’s run like a zoo
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u/Worried_Elk2669 21h ago
No, it’s not “run like a zoo”. What an insult.
Go to another country and get some healthcare for comparison.
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u/NoEquivalent3869 10h ago
Every developed country has both private and public options to solve this issue
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u/ValmarGranas 17h ago
I've been to other countries and used their healthcare and it's actually, timely, effective and efficient and they don't make you jump through as many hoops to get medicine that's legal there. Also, the wait times are much shorter. I'm not making an appointment with a doctor and they show up an hour and a half later, they're on time. Clinics don't make you wait 3 hours.
We could improve a lot. These are Caribbean too.
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u/GaiusPrimus 12h ago
I have also lived in multiple countries, and can tell you that everywhere where a better service is available, it comes with a cost to the most vulnerable.
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u/ValmarGranas 10h ago
It's free for citizens of that country. I paid $150 to get a prescription. Try again.
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u/tremendousdynamite 18h ago
You seem to think you know a lot about “the environment” for someone who is only now just questioning what has happened to our healthcare system………
Maybe if you had been paying attention for years you wouldn’t put the blame on the people just trying to manage the situation our government has created…..
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u/No-Stage4719 23h ago
Doug Ford is decimating our health care system, just as he is our education system, and environment, and bike lanes and on and on and on. In saying that , ER's across the province are in distress. OTMH reported losing a LARGE number of ER nurses recently because of the conditions - again caused by funding cuts. In saying that, our healthcare system as a whole is excellent - we are really lucky to have access to world class Dr's and Nurses, as well as facilities, especially in larger metropolitan areas. It is obviously not without its problems, but we are lucky nonetheless.
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 22h ago
Idk if you read my post in full and I know there’s always bad apples in every bunch but I can personally say from experience and hearing from others that many of the nurses at OTMH are unprofessional, rude, dismissive and don’t take their job as seriously as they should.
It could be the pressure from underfunded health care, burnout etc but I genuinely believe that a lot of these nurses that I’ve seen behave poorly do not deserve to work in healthcare.
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u/Jonesy1966 13h ago
That's absolute nonsense. I had cancer surgery and chemo there 6 years ago, gall bladder removal, knee replacement surgery and PT, heart attack (via ER to 2 days in CCU and then 3.5 weeks in acute care), and most recently Lyme Disease (4 weeks in acute care) and I have absolutely zero complaints other than the occassional duff meal.
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u/No-Stage4719 22h ago
My father fought his entire cancer battle at OTMH, the care he received from the nursing staff, with the exception of one, over 5 months in the hospital was nothing short of exceptional. I can't fault them one bit.
I too have been admitted at OTMH through Emerg in the past 18 months, again the nursing staff were amazing.
Perhaps to us looking on in an ER situation one might view them as nonchalant, or heartless, perhaps the laughing and comments are a coping mechanism in the face of death daily, perhaps the person at the desk had to finish something urgent for another patient? As a bystander we simply don't know. I am not bashing you, I'm just trying to give another point of view.
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u/Such-Brother776 18h ago
One bad experience and the search for negative reinforcement probably led them to post this. I hope they never have to experience care in one of our more remote rural hospitals. Should they all be better? Yes, they should be, and we should all demand better from that useless excuse for a Premier we have. That said, Oakville hospitals? very far from the lower end of care provided.
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
Thank god it’s not up to you to decide who ‘deserves’ to work in healthcare.
Your whole post is ridiculous.
You have no idea what a serious condition is. What triage looks like. Because you’re not a medical profession, Ai doesn’t make you or anyone else one.
And if people stop abusing the ER, we’d have enough staff to take care of everyone.
You want someone to blame, look at your friends/family and neighbours who don’t exercise/ eat well/ go to yearly physicals/ address health issues before they become an emergencies.I could never do a nurses job.
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u/twinnedcalcite 23h ago
Just woke up to the shit the Ford government has gotten us into?
This is all to do with the Provincial government failure to fund health care.
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u/StaticCloud 13h ago
Many Ontarians voted for this over a decade, repeatedly. Now everyone will suffer 🤷♀️
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u/tjjaysfan 7h ago
The issue is too many people go to the ER where they should have gone to a walk in clinic or they are not from this area.
I’ve had incredible experience there when I had serious issues. 4 years ago I felt symptoms of a heart attack and had my wife take me to the ER. I bypassed the line and was in bad shape and told them my symptoms and they immediately called a nurse who took vitals and ECG and from the facial expression from that test I could tell she confirmed heart attack. Had me on a bed in minutes. Had a few nurses around me hooking me up to machines and doctor checked me out. Someone got on a call and got ambulance asap. They prepped me for transport and had me on the road in 10 minutes to go Mississauga hospital that does the procedure I required. As soon as I got to that hospital they rolled me in, went up a few floors and they were ready for me. That saved my life. When action is needed it got done and forever grateful for everyone that dropped everything to ensure I got treated for a true life death situation.
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u/No_Soup_1180 15h ago
I have never heard from a friend or family member who had a bad hospital experience. We personally had fantastic and best in class experiences!
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u/Weekly_Design5440 14h ago
Same here. Co worker just beat cancer using the OHIP treatment. Family members gave birth to their children, they had only good things to say. I snapped my arm in half on a mountain bike during Covid, I was admitted immediately and had surgery done that same day.
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u/sallysuexx 13h ago
Maybe start telling people to not go to the hospital for things a family doctor or walk in could deal with. A child with a fever of 102 for 1 day and drinking fluids is not a trip to the er. A cough is not a trip to the er. The flu is not a trip to the er. The er is not a replacement for your family doctor/ walk in and if you complain about family doctor hours ask your family doctor if they have an after hours clinic, when you call your doctor and they say their next appointment is 2 weeks out tell them what you are dealing with and chances are they have an opening that day or the next day. We are over populated and healthcare workers are fucking tired man
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 7h ago
I agree with this! Definitely lots of crowding due to mild cases reporting to ER, however, I don’t think that discounts the stories I’ve listed as those situations are just completely inappropriate
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u/Jewels715 13h ago
I also had several negative experiences here. I had numerous health complications after giving birth. This resulted in me needing my gallbladder removed. 3 days after that procedure I experienced the worst pain of my life. I was warned if this happened to go back to emerg by my surgeon because I needed another procedure so I did. The first visit they were attemtive but couldn't figure out what was wrong and insisted it was a fluke.
3 hours later the pain returned so I went back. I was basically ignored for several hours and treated like i was drug seeking. Finally a doctor saw me, she didn't know what was wrong but acknowledged I was ill. I was admitted for 10 days for a rare surgical complication. No one believed me except that doctor. Numerous staff let me writhe in pain for hours. It was horrific.
I believe understaffed did contribute, but as I was a repeate visitor due to Numerous post birth complications I believe they saw my chart anf disregarded me despite needed to be admitted several times.
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u/Important_Feed_3981 18h ago
OTMH has been fantastic to my family. In a decade , between 7 peoples visits, I can count one bad experience with a staff member in emergency.
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u/Canadian-made85 14h ago
The triage system is designed to sift through and determine who needs the immediate care based on the severity of their claims. What a patient feels vs what a triage nurse can decipher are two different things. People need to understand that if you are not completely transparent (despite how embarrassed you may be) you will not be properly assessed and you will not be properly queued. I grew up in the north end of burlington and frequented OTMH ER many times over the years and never had a problem. Was i upset maybe because I FELT I should have been seen sooner..yes but I still received the care I needed.
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u/Weekly_Design5440 14h ago
I have had nothing but great experiences in Oakville and Mississauga. Respectful staff, I was admitted right away every time. I also have a co-worker who just beat cancer through OHIP treatment.
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u/Equivalent_Branch713 13h ago
The midwives there suck too and are extremely judgemental as well, you’re better off half the time just being close to deaths door or they won’t even give you the time of day, another time I went in and thought maybe I had a blockage , 5 nurses stood around read my file aloud and laughed with Eachother saying that I could just take laxatives and go home (all while still at the desk and I was in a room with the door open, could hear them loud and clear) and I literally just stood up and said ok thanks for nothing guys I’m going home, to which the male nurse went no no wait so you don’t want your blood taken?? And I said nope yall sounded REALLY clear about how you feel about your patients lol now end of the day I didn’t have a blockage but imagine if I did and was shamed out of the ER ?? Terrible human beings
Also saw a girl working the desk when I was pregnant who used to go to high school with me, immediately she started staring at me and then pointing, another reason this hospital is just full of stunted adults one of the most horrifically terrible hospitals I’ve ever been to
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 12h ago
Horrible! I’m so sorry this happened to you!
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u/Equivalent_Branch713 12h ago
I moved and thank goodness I never have to go there again, my son was born there tho and because I had chipped teeth I had to see a social worker to see if I was a user :^) they are horrendous there
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u/ficcum 8h ago
The answer: it all depends!
A couple of months ago I walked into the emergency room of OTMH due to an Afib episode. I was triaged within 10 minutes. Blood sample taken within the next 10 minutes. Had an ECG in the next 15 minutes. Waited another 40 minutes to be let into one of the several waiting rooms. (While I was waiting, a nurse manning a mobile unit measured my blood pressure.). The cardiologist came in the next 10 minutes , examined me and I believe did a quick cardiogram. First thing I told him is how impressed I was with the service so far , and he was very appreciative and told me they don’t hear that very often. We spoke for a few minutes and he said he felt comfortable in releasing me, and I agreed without hesitation, and all this took about 15 minutes.
I was in and out of the hospital in about two hours. Total cost to me : the maximum parking fee of $23 (?)
My satisfaction rating of this hospital visit : 10/10…
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u/InterestingShift6553 6h ago
Problem was there before Doug Ford, he made it worse by cutting budgets. Issue is no one has the will power and brave enough to fix it. We have expensive hospitals that has become community health providers, people for any condition that need more urgent attention but not emergency go to hospitals, result is a back log of patients, in most countries there are 24 hr walk in clinics that have basic diagnostics, lab and surgery facilities in the community, much cheaper to build and operate and hospitals are referrals (secondary care) with advanced diagnostics, lab, etc. its much more showy for politician to announce building new hospitals rather than a group of small community health centres, and there is more money in the whole business of hospitals. Half of tax money goes to healthcare btw, if not more.
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u/templar40k 22h ago
I and multiple family members have had to use OTMH on a number of occasions and we’ve received nothing but amazing care. And these were all for much more serious incidents than the complete nonsense you listed in your post.
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u/DarkNavyStars 20h ago
I think not receiving timely care for a severe allergic reaction and someone dying are both very serious medical incidents.
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 14h ago
lol exactly. Don’t understand how either of the events I listed are “complete nonsense”.
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
…. They did receive care, they’re not dead correct?
It just wasn’t fast enough or treated with enough drama for OPs liking.1
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u/PrizeAd2297 14h ago
Let's direct our rant at the individual health care workers which you witnessed. In both examples, the individual was acting inappropriately & disrespectfully. There are a lot of issues we can blame on government policies. These aren't it.
Last yearI took my son to OTMH with anaphylactic attack, seafood allergy as well. His lips & eyes were swollen and rash was spreading across his neck etc... I skipped the line and went right up to Triage Nurse. I explained the Emergency situation. In 5 minutes he was in a room hooked up to I.V. meds.
Proper communication is important
Some HCWs are just better than others
Although it's worse now, long wait times have been around for decades.
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u/5daysinmay 11h ago
I have had to go to the hospital multiple times over the last 3-5 years and have had nothing but great experiences. I’m not in Oakville, but in the GTHA
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u/Drahgonfly 10h ago
there is a lack of funding, nurses, people go to the hospital for SNIFFLES when your OHIP card covers after hours care, stay there unless it is warranted you go to hospital,
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u/05Churro 10h ago
I can’t speak to everyone’s experience, but I was just at OTMH for several nights last week following an operation, and I have nothing but positive things to say. Everyone, from the doctors and nurses to the cleaners and patient transport staff, was absolutely amazing. The care, kindness and compassion I received from everyone were truly appreciated. We’re fortunate to have such dedicated people working in our hospital.
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u/SceriylixII 1h ago
If you work in the ER perhaps it might give you more clarity of what actually goes on in there. It’s easier to complain than actually doing the job. There is a reason why there is a high turnover rate for nurses in the ER. Did you not see the article that 15 nurses left ER within the last 6 months?
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u/althanis 15h ago
Are you the person that went to the ER because your fingernail was hurting? I think your sister in law posted here last week.
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u/277330128 19h ago
Thank Doug Ford for the supply and Justin Trudeau for the demand. You can do so through our local MPPs and MPs respectively, since they were parts of those governments
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u/myzoeybear 3h ago
Our entire Healthcare system is broken. Its a joke now a days. I was having a miscarriage, being put under to have emergency surgery for it, and the team in the or was laughing as i was going under, knowing id wake up without my baby. Its a horrible joke of a system in Canada.
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 3h ago
That is BEYOND horrible I’m so sorry you experienced that. Wow I hope you made a report
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u/PageSingle 12h ago
I avoid OTMH at all costs. I had to explain to a doctor and literally argue with him why you don't catheter a peraon with a neutrophil count of zero without a medical reason to do so while the nurse was supporting my argument. I also gave birth there and was treated alternately dismissivly and aggressively. I had one breastfeeding consultant physically grab my breast after I asked her repeatedly not to. I have many more stories about OTMH. Never again.
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u/vinyltits 22h ago
Not once do you address the current political climate contributing to this response.
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u/Johnnie0 14h ago
Did you randomly just decide to complain about the hospitals with two anecdotal stories??
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 14h ago
Want me to list more? Lol what a pointless comment. I can name a dozen different situations where I’ve had family members and neighbours receive terrible, delayed, non-compassionate treatment at this hospital, but I thought the two stories I listed above were sufficient for now. Take a look at the other comments on this thread, I’m not the only one.
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u/Johnnie0 13h ago
I was more referring to the idea that you’ve decided to randomly complain about the hospital. Everyone has a story, some are good and some not so good… nurses and staff do what they can with what little they get - which is a point that goes over your head i suppose when you call the hospital a zoo.
Go volunteer if you’re so passionate
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
Of course these complainers won’t volunteer. They want to be treated with respect and compassion.
But how many people treat the staff of hospitals the same.
Or take accountability for their bodies and health. Most ER visits that aren’t acute injuries could have be solved by seeing a GP/ diet and exercise/ addressing issues are they arise.
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u/International_Day295 22h ago
Hate to say it but Ontario feels like it's part of a 3rd world nation now. I can personally vouch for these experiences. Human life seems to have no value unless you're someone important or have deep pockets.
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u/whimsicalfairee 13h ago
Do you know what a 3rd world nation is? Go to another part of the world before you realize how good we have it
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago edited 9h ago
…… this is such a stupid take. You wouldn’t have access to reliable drinking water and sterile tools in many parts of the developing world.
You have access to so many resources and you’re ignorant of them. Sorry you’re not rich and getting the best of the best, but billions of people would kill to live here.
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u/Joyguillfree 1h ago
So stop voting for Doug Ford!!! He’s the one that decides how shitty your hospitals are! Get it through your freaking heads
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u/btacan 20h ago
Avoid the OTMH ER at all cost. Unfortunately, our family had to visit the OTMH ER multiple times over the past few years, and the lines at each step were always long, and there were multiple unnecessary steps. I feel like they added steps to delay because they never have enough ER dcotors They never seemed to have doctors at night although there were a lot of nurses. We have good experience with the rest of the departments though. Most specialist, xray, US appts have been on time. Even our specialist who worked at OTMH told us to avoid their ER department.
The last two ERs visits, we went straight to Hamilton General Hospital once and Joseph Brant once. We got a bed within 1.5 - 2 hours at Hamilton General Hospital, and a doctor came within 30mins, and CT scan 1 hour after that. The latest time we were in and out within 2 hours for a minor stitch at Joseph Brant.
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u/ValmarGranas 17h ago
Stitches can and should be done at the clinic, not the ER. You'll save a lot of time and reduce ER waits for people with emergencies.
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u/btacan 12h ago
Can you recommend a clinic that does stitches for kids after 9pm in North Oakville? Just in case I need it for next time.
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u/PracticalLeek 4h ago edited 4h ago
Cuts the require minor stitches don’t need a er visits. If Blood loss is controlled within 10 and it’s not deep tissue. Obviously don’t know your situation, but a lot of people don’t know this, they just panic.
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u/detalumis 17h ago
Yes, people from other areas think ours must be good as it's new. My neighbour goes to Burlington to that ER. I think Finlay van der Werken wouldn't have died if he had gone to Hamilton or Joseph Brant.
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u/detalumis 17h ago
Just be glad you aren't old and tossed into the "bed blocker" wing with the dementia patients waiting for LTC. My neighbour was stuck in there and a cancer patient was in the next bed. Both were mobile. But they put them in diapers, put a bed alarm on if you tried to get out, and told them they were not to get out of bed to use the washroom. So yeah, lose all your mobility while you are at it in a ward staffed by Nurse Ratcheds who hate old people. Older patients are treated like disposable trash that should choose MAiD.
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u/vinyltits 21h ago
Emergency staff see various versions of emergencies. Now an allergy is a serious thing and a nurse should never be lax about the response and that's between them, their employer, cno, the patient, and God. but I want to add that often times patients and families wants us to respond and act a specific way. And that's just not realistic. It's shocking to you, it's everyday for them. Trust they know to act in time. Crowding at that hospital is an issue. Your care is directly in the hands of the hospital CEO's and people.who make staffing decisions and the government
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u/Pigeonofthesea8 21h ago
If the nurse didn’t administer an epi pen immediately to a person with known allergies whose airway was compromised he fucking sucked ass.
Signed, someone who’s had anaphylaxis
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u/anxious_coffee_bean 8h ago edited 8h ago
I’ve been to the ER twice, two times in Oakville (one for me and one for my newborn baby) and two times in Toronto (St. Michael’s).
In Toronto I was seen way faster than in Oakville, once right away (I was having a miscarriage) and the second time within 2 hours (I had an infection in my elbow joints and it was the weekend). So I’m not sure if I was just lucky in Toronto but it seemed waaaay faster than in Oakville and in Toronto the staff was amazing, in Oakville both times I felt gaslighted and dismissed, both times I left with no answers.
I would have to add tho, I had my baby at OTMH and it was a great experience, nurses and staff were amazing.
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u/Ok_Read_4000 6h ago
You seem a bit self obessed and sensitive. I'm sure the very serious reaction to seafood was very serious, very serious.
Or maybe it wasn't a big deal?
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u/PracticalLeek 4h ago edited 4h ago
…. But she knows what she saw. For realsy. Those nurses that get assaulted all the time should be nicer and more concerned.
She’s terrified about a lack of empathy.
I’m terrified about nurse patient ratio.
I’m terrified another patient will attack a family member as his family watches. Or the guy who tried to sexually assault her… ooo or the HIV screening after being bit by a homeless patient.
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u/Unlucky_Whole3614 3h ago
As a medical resident who has worked in many different hospitals in GTA and Quebec, honestly OTMH is the one with the best quality of care and organization, and it is seems quite competitive to actually work there. From what I saw, there wasn't much physician turnover.
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 3h ago
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing. I’m sure the doctors are great and I’ve had good experiences with a few of them however I’m more so expressing how the er system seems to have many flaws but this seems to be province wide
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u/Accomplished_Sky5491 3h ago
I have no complaints about any care my family or I have ever received.
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u/FullGrainFred 16h ago
When will people realize that government funded anything is not good?
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u/Fit-Meal4943 14h ago
When will people realize that private, for profit, answerable to shareholders healthcare is a disaster for everyone but the shareholders?
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u/FullGrainFred 11h ago
If you have enjoyed private healthcare you would not be saying that. But clearly you have not.
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
I have. It was nice. But if I had another condition and my insurance denied me? Or only partial coverage? Or lost my job and lost my insurance. Then what?
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u/PracticalLeek 9h ago
private hospitals shunt ICU/ trauma and complex patience to public hospitals all the time. They only really benefit for elective surgeries
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u/Even_Entrepreneur882 11h ago
Nice to see Redditors are treating you nicer than they did on my latest post lol
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 11h ago
What was your post?
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u/Even_Entrepreneur882 11h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Milton/s/xTMw6WOtsj
The state of our healthcare system in Milton
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u/Pumpkin_spicyyy 9h ago
Just took a read. I hope your wife is doing okay! Nothing in your post should have been taken in the wrong context. You have the right to feel upset about having your wife’s situation be pushed aside
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u/indicasxorpion 21h ago
Underfunding, Ford, lack of nurses and medical workers…it’s sad. Something we are supposed to run to when we are bleeding, or call when we are dying, we have to wait hours?
I gave up on OTMH after my boyfriends friend Finlay died due to their lack of response to medical emergencies, and mostly after I fell and “fractured my right radial bone” and was supposed to see the fracture clinic 2 days after. After I waited for 1 hour past my appointment time, I walked out and told them this is absolutely ridiculous. (Turns out, never had a fracture, it was a dislocated radial bone, in which they never offered to put back in place, my family doctor did)
Not only did they misread the X-rays, made me wait for their lousy answers, and the lady that did my X-Rays kept moving my arm to the point I had people in the hallways looking towards the room I was screaming in pain.
They also had SEVERAL unnecessary patients go before me after I checked in about an hour before them. I don’t get how a dislocated or possibly (at the time) fractured radial bone is less important than some kid with a dog tick because his mom freaked out and thought it was a red deer one🤦♀️
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u/DarkNavyStars 20h ago
The lack of proper triage and care for Finlay was atrocious. As an internet stranger, I'm glad he and his story haven't been forgotten. I wish OTMH got better after this.
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u/detalumis 17h ago
Nothing will come of Finlay but "lessons will be learned." We have no competition so they can behave badly with no consequences.
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u/chubbzz4u 19h ago
My mom was admitted last year through OTMH ER for a very serious illness. Within an hour of arrival she was being admitted to ICU despite her not believing that was necessary. She spent 6 weeks in ICU, the stepdown unit, and eventually back up to ICU. My mom ended up passing away.
Had the ER staff not reacted as they did she would have died much sooner at home. Every staff member we met through every department was incredibly diligent, and compassionate. It was the worst time in my life by no fault of theirs and I am grateful for the care they provided to my mom and our family through such a difficult time.