r/SeriousConversation • • Mar 08 '19

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r/SeriousConversation • • 5h ago

Serious Discussion Why do the mods in this sub keep pulling posts that I would like to read?

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It happens more here than any other sub I see. Are the rules for posters not clear? Is there some unspoken rule about what constitutes "serious" conversation. Are personal matters considered strictly casual conversation? I have read the rules and I don't get it. There have been some truly intriguing concepts exposed in this sub that never get the air they need to blossom into full discussions.

Have you ever posted something here that got pulled by the moderators? Sometimes things get pulled by the posters. I'm not sure what that is about either. I suspect this will get pulled as well but I thought I would bring it up to see who can comment before it does.

When I hit the "Post" button I got a warning that this might fall under the "controversial or Reddit meta-drama" category. How can a topic be serious without being potentially controversial? What are the owners of this sub looking for?


r/SeriousConversation • • 3h ago

Serious Discussion Does anyone else feel like life is moving way too fast lately?

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Idk if it's just me, but sometimes I feel like the weeks are passing before I even get a chance to process them. Monday comes, blink twice, and suddenly it's Friday again. Anyone else feel this way?


r/SeriousConversation • • 20h ago

Opinion Being able to sleep in noisy environments the single biggest superpower for adults

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I grew up in a single family house, in a quiet neighborhood. I've always had excellent sleep, and that was never an issue.

It was only after I moved to another city on my own, into a student accommodation, that I realized: I can't really sleep in noisy environments.

This had several unintended consequences in my life decisions:

- I decided not to pursue a masters degree in my field (because that would mean even more years living in noisy student accommodations)

- I can't really take risks on my career. I know that if I try something like starting a business or taking worse paying jobs in a different direction, and that fails, I would end up with no money. I would not be able to live in low budget appartments again — because poor sleep is extremely painful for me.

- I almost never travel: I can only stay at very good hotels that have nice accoustic insulation, or detatched cabins, etc, which are usually extremely expensive or require a car rental to access the place (if you fly there)

Has anyone else had a similar experience? I feel like this is a kind of literal disability that I have. And I realize people who sleep through anything have it so good!


r/SeriousConversation • • 8h ago

Career and Studies how to read more critically?

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for the people that read ,I never annotated my books but I realized that writing makes me understand things more and I don't know really how people annotate their books.
I'm looking for advice and techniques on how to get the most out of books, I meanly read classics, non fiction book evolving around different topics : neurology, neuroscience , psychology, philosophy...


r/SeriousConversation • • 14h ago

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r/SeriousConversation • • 17h ago

Opinion Are we becoming more concerned with how ideas are expressed than whether they’re worth discussing?

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There’s an old Chinese idiom called 买椟还珠 (mǎi dú huán zhū), literally “buying the box and returning the pearl.”

A man bought a beautifully decorated box containing a precious pearl. He was so impressed by the box that he kept it and returned the pearl.

I’ve been thinking about this story in relation to AI and online discussions.

When someone shares an interesting argument, does it become less valuable if they used AI to help organize or express it?

I sometimes use AI to help communicate in English, which isn’t my first language. I also use it to explore different perspectives and challenge my own assumptions.

For me, the value of a conversation lies in what we can learn from it, not necessarily how every sentence was produced.

But I also believe there should be boundaries.
If AI becomes the primary source of our thinking and creativity, we risk losing something important about human curiosity, imagination and independent judgment.

That brings me to another Chinese children’s fable, 咕咚来了 (The Gudong Is Coming).

In the story, a fruit falls into a pond with a loud splash. One frightened animal runs away, and others follow without investigating what actually happened.

Sometimes our reactions to AI remind me of that story.
There are legitimate concerns about AI, including authenticity, dependence and the future of human creativity. But I wonder whether some of our reactions come from fear of the unfamiliar rather than examining what is actually happening.

Perhaps the challenge is neither to embrace AI uncritically nor reject it instinctively, but to understand where it genuinely helps and where it may undermine something valuable.

Does knowing AI was involved change how you evaluate an idea? And where do you personally draw the line between AI supporting human thought and replacing it?

Edit1: I had a feeling that revealing my Chinese identity would eventually invite some unwarranted attacks. As for whether China is good or bad, I don’t intend to debate that here. Facts speak louder than words.

Edit2: I think I’ve had enough discussion on this topic. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.
If a conversation has to begin with unfounded assumptions, accusations, or personal attacks, I don’t think it’s worth wasting each other’s time.
And if the moderators decide to remove this post, that’s their choice too. I respect that.

Edit 3: On sincerity and good faith
One commenter reminded me that we can’t always know others’ intentions, so it’s worth giving people a little grace.
I really appreciated his perspective. It’s how I approach people in real life too: start with goodwill, see how things go, and decide whether to continue.
Why should online conversations be any different?
Perhaps we could all give each other a little more kindness, patience, and benefit of the doubt. After all, genuine conversations are what make these discussions worthwhile. 😊

Thanks to everyone who engaged in a genuine discussion. Have a nice day (wherever you are)


r/SeriousConversation • • 1d ago

Serious Discussion Life is a matter of circumstances that's mostly out of your control

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From the day you're born, the two most important things that will matter for the rest of your life are your genetics and environment. Not to say we cannot choose how we adapt to our circumstances but our circumstances mostly determine the trajectory of your life and yet you have little to no control over it.

If for example, you're born in North Korea with severe disabilities with shitty parents in the lowest hierarchical parts of that society, your life is pretty much screwed because you're most likely going to suffer more than some kid born in a 1st world country with exceptional genetics with wealthy, loving parents in a decent community. And at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether you live a good life or not.

I'm not 100% anti-natalist but some people should have the moral decency to not have kids if they live in an environment or lack the wisdom to have their potential kids truly thrive and not just exist. Life should be a gift, not an obligation you're forced to suffer in.


r/SeriousConversation • • 1d ago

Opinion Experience is a strange thing!

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We are often told to defer to experience, to respect someone simply because they have spent years doing something. But time alone doesn’t guarantee insight.

What if they have spent those years without ever questioning if they’re doing it well? What if they have never taken the risks that might have taught them something different, or explored the very things they hold strong opinions about? Time doesn't always challenge our beliefs, it often makes us more stubborn about them.

Why should someone’s conclusions always carry more weight simply because they have held them longer?

Familiarity can look like understanding, especially when neither has been questioned.

Maybe experience isn’t just about how long you’ve lived or what you’ve done, but how deeply you’ve engaged with it.


r/SeriousConversation • • 3d ago

Serious Discussion stop stressing over the things you can't control.

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I know this is much easier said than done, but I've realized that so much of my stress comes from me trying to control the things that are out of my hands.

I can spend hours worrying about what other people think about me, whether I made the right choice, what might happen tomorrow, or replaying conversations over and over. None of that changes the outcome. It just steals time and peace from the present.


r/SeriousConversation • • 3d ago

Serious Discussion Based on your life experience, what percentage of people do you think are genuinely capable of being good friends?

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My father is 70 years old now, and throughout his life, he’s always been an incredibly kind and helpful person. He’s always been there for his friends and helped people whenever he could, often without expecting anything in return.

But over the years, he’s become increasingly bitter and disappointed in people, especially when it comes to friendships.

He often tells me how few genuine friends there really are. Some people he has helped countless times over the years don’t even bother to pick up the phone and give him a call just to see how he’s doing.

It’s not that he expects people to repay him for everything he’s done. But after all those years of being there for others, it hurts to realize that some of them apparently don’t care enough to even make a simple phone call.

This has made me wonder:
Based on your own life experience, what percentage of people do you think genuinely have the character, empathy, loyalty, and willingness to be a good, reliable friend?

I’m particularly interested in hearing from older people who have experienced friendships over several decades.
Have you become more cynical about friendships as you’ve gotten older, or have your experiences been different?


r/SeriousConversation • • 4d ago

Serious Discussion I measure the progress of a community by the degree of progress women have achieved

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This quote from Dr. B.R. Ambedkar has always made me pause & reflect. We often measure progress through GDP, technology, infras or economic growth. But Ambedkar suggests a different yardstick: are women getting more opportunities, more representation & better outcomes than before?

Do you agree or is there a better way to measure a community's progress?


r/SeriousConversation • • 4d ago

Opinion Why being right a lot makes it harder to notice when you’re wrong?

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In September 1812 Napoleon entered Moscow with the largest army Europe had ever seen. He had spent months crushing everything in his path. Moscow was supposed to be the moment Tsar Alexander finally folded and negotiated.

Alexander didn’t fold. The Russian army stayed in the field. No peace talks arrived.

Napoleon waited. Weeks passed. Then he retreated. The retreat destroyed his army through hunger, disease, combat, and eventually the cold.

The usual explanation focuses on winter, distance, and the Russians’ refusal to fight on his terms. All of that mattered. But another question is more interesting:

What happens when someone who has been right for years becomes so attached to being right that they struggle to see the strategy is already failing?

Napoleon wasn’t stupid. His earlier victories were real. The danger was that success in one set of circumstances made it harder to question the methods that produced it.

Here are a few patterns that make this trap so common.

1. Confirmation bias

We don’t just look for evidence. We look for evidence that agrees with us.

The Russians kept retreating. Napoleon treated that as proof his pressure was working. It could just as easily have been a deliberate strategy to deny him the decisive battle he needed.

Same thing happens in ordinary life. A student who believes they’re bad at math gets 3/10 and takes it as confirmation. Then they get 7/10 and dismiss it as an easy paper. Both outcomes feed the same belief. Once you’ve arranged things so that nothing can count against your view, the belief becomes almost impossible to challenge.

Useful question: What would I actually have to see before I admitted my current explanation might be wrong? If the honest answer is “nothing,” you’re protecting the belief, not testing it.

2. Conviction bias

Feeling certain is not the same as being right.

Occupying Moscow felt like victory. It was not the political outcome Napoleon needed. Confidence and force of will couldn’t make Alexander negotiate.

You see the same pattern with founders who keep iterating a product customers keep rejecting because “they just don’t get it yet.” Or students who confuse hours spent studying with actual readiness. Or people who stay in a relationship or career because they’ve already invested so much.

The world doesn’t owe you a return simply because you sacrificed for something. Decide in advance what evidence would justify continuing and what evidence would force a change.

3. Appearance bias

Looking successful and being successful are different things.

Capturing the symbolic capital of Russia was not the same as defeating Russia. The image of victory was powerful. The substance was missing.

We do this constantly. We treat a confident speaker as competent, an expensive degree as intelligence, a high valuation as a healthy business, or a prestigious title as a good life. Sometimes the signals are useful. Often they just feel reassuring.

The danger is applying the same bias to yourself: choosing a path because it looks impressive rather than because the actual results match.

4. Superiority bias

We’re excellent at spotting bias in other people and terrible at spotting it in ourselves.

They’re stubborn; we’re principled.

They’re arrogant; we have high standards.

They’re emotionally invested; we’re passionate about getting it right.

They’re influenced by their friends; we’ve simply reached the correct conclusion.

Intelligence doesn’t protect you from this. It often just gives you better tools for defending the conclusion you’ve already decided to reach. The person who assumes they’re smarter can end up preparing less and learning slower than the person who assumes their understanding is incomplete.

Napoleon’s army didn’t collapse because of one psychological bias. The campaign had real strategic, logistical, and military failures. But the story still raises a useful question:

When you’ve invested months or years in a decision, when your reputation and identity are tied to it, how willing are you to look at the evidence that you’re wrong?

It’s easy to see the mistake after the outcome is known. It’s much harder while you’re still inside the decision, still hoping the next step will make everything worthwhile.

Have you ever looked back on a major call and realized the warning signs were there the whole time, but you kept reading them in a way that protected what you already wanted to believe? What finally made you reconsider?

Anyone think that we don't see what we see please tell me . I am planning to go deep into each one of these in my next posts.


r/SeriousConversation • • 5d ago

Serious Discussion What’s an everyday problem you’ve gotten so used to that you don’t even try to solve it anymore?

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I’ve been thinking about how we sometimes just accept little frustrations in our daily lives because they’ve become normal.
It could be something at home, at work, or just part of your daily routine.
I’m curious: what’s something that genuinely bothers you, but you’ve learned to live with because you haven’t found a good solution?


r/SeriousConversation • • 5d ago

Serious Discussion Do people really get busy, or do we just stop being a priority?

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I’ve always found the phrase “I’ve been busy” interesting.
Because somehow, we find time for things that matter to us. A random scroll through Instagram, a conversation with someone new, a late-night movie, or simply doing absolutely nothing.
But then again, life gets overwhelming. Sometimes people genuinely don’t have the emotional energy to show up, even for someone they care about.
So where do we draw the line between understanding someone’s circumstances and making excuses for their lack of effort?
I don’t think anyone owes us constant attention. But I do believe that communication shouldn’t feel like something you have to beg for.
What’s your take? Can someone genuinely care about you and still consistently fail to make time for you?


r/SeriousConversation • • 5d ago

Serious Discussion Have you struggled to start hobbies since childhood?

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If you stumble upon a hobby you really like and it’s new, do you end up postponing it for several days/weeks/months or even years? Do you do this even if you’re well rested, not worried about results, and have all the materials in front of you? Did you carry this until adulthood?


r/SeriousConversation • • 5d ago

Serious Discussion What's an insecurity you have that nobody would ever guess just by looking at you?”

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For me, it's sometimes comparing my progress in life with other people my age, even when I know everyone has their own timeline.

What about you?


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Opinion I think it’s important to be a good person irl.

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None of the social media shit really matters. It’s also one of the place that will loose it’s importance as soon as there’s a scarcity! The whole fame around social media is weird. The whole concept exists to just fool people from real world issues and consequences.

It’s also interesting to see how it has been paced. In a sense that it is the only thing that matters.

But the fact that it’s a coverage behind something further away from people’s understanding is so fucked up


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Serious Discussion We spend our lives in places whose past we'll never fully know

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Sometimes I look around my house and try to picture this same spot a few hundred years ago. Or a few thousand. Someone might have walked through here in the Middle Ages. Maybe there was a battle nearby, or another family lived here long before this house was built.

Then I start going further back. Millions of years ago, this could have been a forest, or part of an ocean. There might have been prehistoric animals wandering around here. It's hard to picture any of that when I'm looking at my living room.

I'm especially curious about the people who've passed through the spot where I'm sitting now. Everyone had a life of their own. Things to worry about, memories they carried with them. Most of their stories are probably lost forever.

I live here and know almost nothing about what happened before me. It makes me wonder about the other places I see every day, too. There's probably so much we'll never find out


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Career and Studies Is understanding something easier for you than memorizing it?

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Math and science made sense to me once someone explained the logic, but memorizing facts for history was much harder. I’ve noticed something similar with Sudoku: once I figure out the logic behind a pattern, the rest gets easier. Was school like that for you, or was memorizing the easier part?


r/SeriousConversation • • 5d ago

Serious Discussion A bad day turned surprisingly.. good?

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This is a long one, so buckle up. It's all true, nothing goes wrong, and to my knowledge everyone is safe. (The end of the story explains the 'to my knowledge' part.)

So, my company sent me down to Pensacola, Florida for disaster relief aid for hurricane Isaias. I was down there for a few days, but one day the long hours and not getting enough sleep had gotten to me. I dozed off while on my job site, and they terminated me and said they were sending me home. I didn't argue, I just clarified certain things, then left and drove to a gas station down the street.

I was upset that I had messed up, let my company down essentially, and have to leave, unable to continue helping the people affected. While at the gas station trying to get in touch with my superiors, a woman came up to me. She told me how she was down there with a friend of hers, and his company found out she was staying with him in a hotel, and they kicked her out. He didn't defend her, get her a room somewhere, just let her go, and that she had slept on the curb the night before.

Me being me I couldn't just let her stay there, soni asked where she wanted to go. She directed me to one of the beaches where another friend of hers should be, and we tried to get in touch with them. Unfortunately she dropped her phone while gathering her stuff when they kicked her out, and now it wasn't working. We could hear noises, but the screen didn't light up.

We sat on the beach for a few hours, meeting another man from Michigan, and trading stories for a few hours. When we couldn't figure out what to do, she told me to just leave her there, and she'd sleep on the beach.. again, me being me I couldn't accept that. So I asked where she was ultimately trying to get to.

She told me she was trying to get to a place which was only a few hours away from where I live. Last I heard from my bosses, I was to go home, and wasn't needed in Pensacola anymore. So I got to thinking.. and I took a HUGE risk that I would normally never take. Knowing she lived only a few hours from my house, I made the proposition.

I offered to drive her home myself, but my bosses couldn't know because I was driving a rental given to me by them. That we'd have to drive back to my home town, return the rental and pick up my truck. I made it clear that I expect nothing from her, and she was free to say no. But ultimately she said ok, and we got things prepared to leave Florida.

This is where it gets to be a little more than just helping a stranger, but not for anything weird or bad. While at the beach she had such a pure energy, simple and carefree, that radiated to me. It turned my bad morning around, and I wasn't worried about what my bosses would say about me getting kicked off location.

I then made a personal rule, while she was in my care, I would do my best to take care of her. I know the type of people out there, and absolutely know some of the things that could have happened to her if I just left her there. We finished up at the beach, got her things together, and headed to my hotel.

Not only was I taking a risk helping a complete stranger, but I was risking my job by bringing her with me in a company rental car. We got to my hotel, I parked around back, and asked her to stay at the truck so none of my coworkers would see her, then went inside, got my stuff and checked out. We left the hotel and I pulled over just down the road.

I asked her once again if she was ok with the situation, explained that my company couldn't know she was with me, but that I would take her home, and at any time she could tell me to stop and let her leave. She said she was fine, and we headed out, to me, she was then in my care, so I checked my bank balance, and we headed out.

We stop here and there for food, drinks or just to step out of the rental and have a cigarette. Because it's so late when we leave Florida, I eventually realize I can't keep driving. So I tell her we'll get a hotel when I have to return the rental car. We'd get some sleep, and then I'd continue to take her home the next morning.

I never suggested or even expected anything from her, I just took it personally that she was in my care, and did my best to make sure she was ok. Honestly, when booking the hotel I could have been a sleeze and booked a single bed for slightly cheaper, and tried to share a bed with her, but it didn't feel right, so we got to my main office, and we hurriedly unloaded her stuff, I returned the rental and got my personal vehicle. Then went back to the hotel I dropped her off at.

We both showered, then laid down and talked for a bit, before falling asleep. We woke the next morning, loaded my truck, and headed out for her home state. I'm being ambiguous for privacy reasons, but she didn't live in the same state as me, but from looking at maps, she wasn't too far from where I lived.

On the way to taking her back, I knew some of her interests, so I found a nice little river beach along the way. I didn't tell her, I just drove, and stopped at stores along the way to get things she liked, jerky, Baskin Robin's, mountain dew Baja blast. Nothing expensive, but something to let her know I had taking care of her in mind.

We spend a second day hanging out together, and having fun, before we arrive in her home town. With her phone being busted, she can't call people, she kept saying I could just drop her off at a state park, and she'd sleep there until her friend came home. But I couldn't accept that, if I couldn't leave her stranded in Florida, I wouldn't feel right just dumping her anywhere.

Finally we find someone she knows who let's her stay with them until the person she's renting from gets home the next day, and begrudgingly I leave her with them. I leave her my number, and ask that she calls or texts me when she gets her phone back working.. but I've not heard from her.

I never made any kind of move on her, I never even hinted that I expected something from her, I was absolutely respectful. But I haven't stopped thinking about her since I dropped her off at someone she knew's house.. blame it on my kind heart.. but I'm struggling because I want to know she's safe.

I did a good thing by taking her home, well outside of what most people would do. Especially while not taking advantage of her or the situation. Probably for most people they'd just forget about it, and say she was on her own once dropped off..

But I still wonder and worry, and unfortunately have no way to check up on her. I took a huge risk, and I don't regret it, I just wish there was a way I could know that she's ok..


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Opinion what is beauty?

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and how we all are so fascinated by it , like we find it , search it , lookafter it and even obsess over it so much so that we even build specific standards around it . and how do we classify something as beautifull and ugly and on what criteria . how do we achive that perception is something beautifull or not, like are we fed in a certain way that most of us have the same taste and perception of beauty and why even without knowing what trurly is beauty we just start to categorize everything around us based on it . idk if you are understanding what i am actually trying to say but i just feel like we all have just stopped individual thinking. its just my wierd thought , if you also get thoughts like this , do join this convo and i will be more than happy to see you thoughts !!!!


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Gender & Sexuality Have We Replaced Self-Control With Convenience?

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I wonder if, in our attempt to make everything safer and more convenient, we’ve slowly stopped questioning our own habits and the choices we make.

Take intimacy, for example. It’s a natural part of human life, yet we’ve developed different ways to manage its risks. And while protection has an important purpose, I think there’s another side to this conversation that rarely gets enough attention: self-control, patience, and personal responsibility.

There are times in the menstrual cycle when the chances of pregnancy may be lower. Some people might look at that and wonder whether understanding the body and exercising self-control could play a bigger role in their decisions. But lower chances don’t mean there’s no risk, which is why understanding the consequences matters just as much as understanding the body.

Think about eating chocolate. We remove the wrapper because we want to experience the chocolate itself, not the packaging around it. It’s a simple comparison, although intimacy is obviously more complex, and protection serves a purpose that a chocolate wrapper doesn’t.

Still, I believe there’s a bigger question worth asking: have we become so dependent on external solutions that we sometimes overlook the importance of developing discipline within ourselves?

Self-control matters. Knowing when to act, when to wait, and how to take responsibility for our decisions is an important part of growing up. But self-control and protection don’t have to be opposites. Being responsible means understanding both our impulses and the risks involved.

Maybe real maturity isn’t about rejecting everything we’ve created. Maybe it’s about learning when to rely on our own judgment, when to exercise restraint, and when using protection is simply the wiser choice.


r/SeriousConversation • • 6d ago

Serious Discussion My Love Letter to the Girls I Grew Up With

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I love being a woman, and I loved growing up a girl,
because all my life I’ve known how women show up for other women in this world.

The girls I met at school through the luck of proximity
became the girls who shared my classes, sports, school plays and history.

We spent over 10 years eating lunch together in the same spot under the library stairs. The bell would ring and we’d all just know that we would gather together in the same place everyday, for all our school years.

We no longer need the same school, town, city, country or time zones that keeps us connected by the same place, because we all live separate lives but our friendship group remains as close as ever despite not all being able to see each other face to face.

Now we’re scattered across countries, some settled, some still choosing to roam,
some building careers, some raising children, some making somewhere home.

I’ve watched girls I knew before puberty become women I deeply admire,
each making a life of her own, shaped by whatever she happens to desire.

There is rarely a need to announce when one of us needs care.
After this many years, someone notices, and the rest of us are there.

Even when all we had was pocket money, we pooled whatever we could,
a necklace, a little present, something just to make each other feel good.

There were always little cards we’d sit down together and write,
covered in photographs, stickers and glitter, making everything bright.

I still have a bag full of those cards, little photos and pictures today,
years of handwritten proof of how we noticed one another along the way.

I love those things because they were group efforts to make each other happy.
We made our affection tangible, usually the perfect mix of funny and sappy.

A little bit ridiculous, sentimental, earnest and true,
just a physical reminder that somebody was thinking of you.

My brother was my first friend, and is still one of my best,
and I’ve watched the men around him build friendships just as close as the rest.

Their love is no less loyal, no less generous or true,
so this isn’t about women having something men don’t have too.

I just love the particular sentimentality there is among a group of women, so willing and open to share with raw unfiltered affection.

The army of women in my life keeps expanding. I still meet women I adore,
new friendships in new chapters that add something that wasn’t there before.

Something I will never get over is how lucky I am that I get to be a woman who knows how incredible women are and what they share.

And that I get to say, the girls I grew up with are still all my girls to this day.


r/SeriousConversation • • 7d ago

Serious Discussion Individual Unifications between different european countries.

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Something that I have notice every time people debate about the concept of european federation (apart from all the fallacies when debating) its that it seem that people want to unify straight up everything at once or nothing at all, like, people really want to unify almost 30 countries at once. And like, even though and all, it wouldnt be better to unify certain countries in certain ways first, it may because those countries are more open to unify, to see if small unifications are stable enough for further unifications, etc. Like, italy, france, and germany could unify in one potential country for example. And honestly, it would be a good experiment to see if people are actually in favor of losing the soveregnity of their former country into a new country. Can you imagine a country being form from swedenn finland, and estonia? Or from austria, slovenia, croatia, and hungary? That would really prove how open are europeans to becoming part of something bigger.