r/trackers • • 2d ago

LST is no longer recruiting on MAM

I’ve noticed LST getting frequently mentioned on here as a destination from MAM, but I’ve checked today and it seems like the thread is gone. Given the frequency of LST to MAM being shared on here, I felt like it was important to make a post rather than just silently updating the recruitment wiki. Would recommend anybody that was aiming for LST on there to try joining seedpool from there instead. They are a decent alternative.

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u/IZEN_R 2d ago

They also stopped recruiting from SP a month or so ago, guess they are just pulling away from entry trackers

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u/IZEN_R 2d ago

Totally still recommend SP tho! Great tracker considering how easy it is to enter

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u/Nearby-Reception-546 2d ago

Easiest economy so far..

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u/gemifrak 1d ago edited 1d ago

Too easy, it gets hard to rank up

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u/Nearby-Reception-546 1d ago

One you reach Superpool what the point to move ahead.

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u/gemifrak 1d ago

My bad. My brain replaced SP by LST

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u/DrunkenFeral 1d ago

isn't LST an entry level tracker too??

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

Top entry level or early mid level, they're pretty good

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u/Macatsu 1d ago

I would say mid. It has a lot better curation than the stuff I consider entry level (darkpeers, seedpool, TL). Some people say its entry but I think thats a holdover from the fact that it was new just 2 years ago and kind of exploded in quality imo. I find more cross-seeds for it with stuff like BLU than SP or DP, so take that as you will.

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u/_Cold_Ass_Honkey_ 1d ago

SP has some decent stuff, but they need to really categorize their torrents correctly.

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u/somedrugsarecool 2d ago

Routes closed from SP and now MAM, bunch of new internals. Seems like they are preparing for takeoff

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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 2d ago

Seen a lot of complaints on LST last few days about autobrr and people using it as a pathway tracker to aither. See if they will up requirements for invite forums or if something else get changed 

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u/AlwynEvokedHippest 2d ago

I don't even think they need to make huge changes beyond just increasing minimum seed time.

As much as they annoy some people, I'd argue seedboxes aren't a bad thing for PTs.

But if you specifically want to stop people doing the "churn" (seeding on a box for the very minimum time to get upload credit) then just extend the minimum seed time.

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u/ShowZealousideal1774 2d ago

I dont remember which 1 it was but when recruiting they mentioned what they really want is long term seeders. Mainstream stuff will always have seeders, 1 thing that helps set apart some PT is having really old niche stuff still being seeded (Archivist, they called it).

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u/HellboundLunatic 2d ago

But if you specifically want to stop people doing the "churn" (seeding on a box for the very minimum time to get upload credit) then just extend the minimum seed time.

longer avg seedtime requirements required for ranking up should help too
seeding for minimum and purging will nuke your avg seedtime if you do it too much

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u/Unique-Standard-Off 1d ago

Even that can be gamed quite easily on LST with minimal effort and storage requirements. Not so on all trackers though.

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u/Macatsu 2d ago

don't you need like 10TB for the LST invite forums? Seems like that would filter people using it as a pathway in and of itself

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u/EndGame395 2d ago

I am not in LST yet but i think requirements still are very tough. Seedpool of 20 TB is not everyone's cup of tea for Aither which happens to be my endgoal.

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u/PlzManCmon 19h ago

Ouch, is there no other way than a 20tb pool in LST?

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u/racoon_city_3 8h ago

otherway is upload based but will need around 30 TB of real upload. its extremely difficult so 95% try 20tb seedsize way.

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u/DrunkenFeral 1d ago

what is aither so good for? which you cant find on lst or other entry trackers?

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u/data_butcher 1d ago

Aither has twice the number of unique movies that lst has, and more tv shows too. Aither also has a bunch of great internals too, most entry leel trackers don't havegood internal groups

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u/uthinkyouknowme8 2d ago

I hope so.

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u/Penguin2359 2d ago

What's takeoff?

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u/ShowZealousideal1774 2d ago

Think of it in almost a literal sense. You gathered what you needed, you are ready, time to launch. We use takeoff a lot in business to say we're ready to move onto the next big step of the project or planning part is done and its ready to build. So in a sense LST is ready to launch from a beginner tracker to a mid tier tracker.

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u/Penguin2359 2d ago

Nice, I thought they were already considered mid-tier but good to see their rep growing regardless.

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u/ShowZealousideal1774 2d ago

Well there's no actual stats (that im aware off) that makes you a low mid or high tier tracker, its just community review.

But consider ATH, they were only recently agreed upon by the community that they're now a high mid tier tracker. But the recent announcement of how they broke the 100k unique movies, definitely cements their status.

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u/Excellent-Point7781 2d ago

This is really sad to hear. I was genuinely looking forward to joining LST, and I was actually getting really close to meeting the requirements on SP, only for recruitment to disappear there too. Pretty disappointing, especially after putting in all that time and effort. Hopefully another path opens up someday.

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

Whatcha talking about? Enough paths to LST still available when ur starting from either MAM or SP. Check trackerpathways.

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u/PlzManCmon 19h ago

True, but seems pretty outdated in terms of criterias though

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u/Caedendi 19h ago

It should be using the info from the wiki here and refresh nightly so feel free to update it

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u/goodpostfinder 1d ago

Got in 2 days ago, i really caught the last chopper out of MAM

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u/Harry__Gateau 1d ago

This pun is too good for us.

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u/Sharp-County-8282 2d ago

Does BLU still recruit from MaM?

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u/IxBetaXI 2d ago

Yes but they increased time to 12 months on MaM

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u/guyudontknw 2d ago

is it with 10 uploads or without uploads? 

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u/IxBetaXI 2d ago

Without uploads

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u/guyudontknw 2d ago

how many months with uploads? i have uploaded 10 books just to get into blu. :(

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u/IxBetaXI 2d ago

2 months and 15 uploads

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

You need 6 months to unlock the invite forums

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u/IxBetaXI 2d ago

True, did not remember that

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u/Competitive_Ear7824 1d ago

So 6 months and 15 uploads?

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u/IxBetaXI 1d ago

Yes as you need 6 months to see the forum.

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u/guyudontknw 2d ago

thanks for that. will upload 10 more to have some buffer

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u/FroyoEquivalent8708 2d ago

What's the requirement for BLU now?

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u/_Bria_rios 20h ago

Are those increases charged starting 6 months after the date, or can you do it whenever you want before that date...?

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u/IxBetaXI 20h ago

Months are always from your signup. Uploads count all time.

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u/pd1zzle 2d ago edited 2d ago

where are you getting without uploads? the thread literally says you need uploads.

edit: I misread, I see now. its 2 + up or 12. got it!

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u/Sharp-County-8282 2d ago

Cheers, makes sense :)

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u/sisco035 2d ago

That’s crazy because I just got into LST from MAM 2 days ago!

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u/officerbigmac 2d ago

It’s crazy nice to see how LST has ascended. It was only like 22 months ago that they had open sign ups during the Christmas holidays.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Feels like I saw ATH do the exact same thing a year or so ago as well.

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u/random_999 1d ago

I don't think ATH opened for signups after 2020.

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u/xRobert1016x 1d ago

Should’ve clarified, I wasn’t talking about the open signups part specifically, rather the ascension. It feels like they’ve had a massive improvement over the last year or two, and is also harder to join now, since they don’t recruit on MAM anymore.

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u/real_fluffernutter34 2d ago

I stupidly let my account get pruned there but I’m also on ATH and BLU so it’s not the end of the world

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u/Pleasant_Coach_3239 2d ago

They reactivated my account after I got pruned, might be worth asking (just have to email rather than sitting on an IRC channel all day)

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u/komata_kya 1d ago

Ascended? Yeah, from trash heap to recycling center. Very kewl.

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u/officerbigmac 1d ago

Wow you’re so edgy and cool 

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u/komata_kya 1d ago

You can be like me one day too. But only after 500 uploads on RED :)

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u/officerbigmac 1d ago

Hope you make a friend someday 🙃

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u/DarkVader1001 16h ago

Why do you shill RED on every comment mate?

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u/CTC42 1d ago

I see you dumping on basically every tracker that's mentioned here other than PTP. Other than PTP, what are 5 movie trackers that you consider worthwhile?

Trying to gauge if you've actually lost the perspective that we live in a world of fragmented streaming services with extremely limited and transient catalogs and questionable attention to technical quality.

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u/Bed-worm 2d ago

What makes LST great? I can get there from BHD, but I'd never heard of it before

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u/Alucard2051 2d ago

It's a pretty big step down from BHD. They have quite a few internals now, but much less content than BHD or ATH. Best thing about it is that if you upload just a little bit, you can get sitewide free leech from a 2 tb seed pool

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago edited 2d ago

LST was special because it was a relatively good tracker, that you could achieve with 0 effort from MAM. So if somebody wanted to avoid the RED interview and go through MAM, LST was one of the best trackers they would be able to join, within reason. It could also be used as a route into ATH.

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u/ThisIsJeron 1d ago

heck, i got in with open signup like last year

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u/malayabits 2d ago

LST getting multiple internals recently joined them. Of course, they are pulling out now

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u/SpaceLuks 1d ago

Seriously? I was just one week short of meeting the recruitment requirements for SP and OE when it stopped. Now I'm only two weeks away from completing the required nine months on MAM, and once again, the route gets closed. Seems like I have a great sense of timing :(

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

Speaking of timing, the holiday season is right around the corner. Just check /r/opensignups every day from now on.

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u/EndGame395 21h ago edited 21h ago

Don't think LST would do open applications even during holiday period. They did open applications last year on their anniversary, this year following the pattern i was waiting with my proofs but they didn't sadly.

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u/Caedendi 21h ago

I wasnt talking about LST since the guy i replied to was talking avout random trackers by using MAM as a stepping stone

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u/PatientTomatillo3955 2d ago

It honestly feels like this process never ends.
I joined MAM and was only about two months away from meeting the requirements to join LST. Then, suddenly, they removed their recruitment post.
And that’s the problem with this whole system. Every time you feel like you’re getting close to your goal, the requirements change, or recruitment closes completely.
So you have to wait even longer, find another route, join other trackers, and start working toward new requirements. All the time you’ve already spent waiting feels wasted, and somehow you always end up back at square one.
Then people tell you that buying invites or accounts is against the rules. I’m not saying I do that or plan to, but honestly, I can understand why some people choose that route.
Instead of spending months or even years stuck in this endless chain of waiting, with no guarantee that you’ll ever reach your goal, they simply skip the whole process.
The most frustrating part isn’t even the waiting itself. It’s the fact that the finish line keeps moving. You can follow every rule, be patient, and do everything right, only to find out that the opportunity is gone just when you’re about to reach it.
At some point, it stops feeling like a ladder and starts feeling like an endless loop.

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u/arah91 2d ago

That's part of the reason I'm in so many trackers, you never know which one will go under, or which one will be a requirement for some other one you want. Seems the hardest requirement is time, so it makes since to have a few on the back burner ticking away. So it's less of a endless loop and more a pulsing swarm.

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u/EndGame395 2d ago

💯. I was very close in seedpool when they stopped the recruitment. Feels exactly what you are feeling right now. Don't even know if i have the required energy to chase it anymore.

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u/x-64 1d ago

Don’t forget about all the fun you have along the way. Make friends, enjoy the content and don’t take the grind so seriously 🙂

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u/PatientTomatillo3955 1d ago

That's easy for you to say 👀 LST, why did you do this to us? 😭💔

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u/doinitlivetil35 1d ago

I'm in a similar position as you, slightly further along, but we have to remember nobody owes us anything. I don't think there's any problem with the system. The trackers are doing fine without us. There's no contract that entitles us to entry if we check off boxes on a rubric. Trackerpathways might feel like a promise of a ladder you can climb, but it's just a guide as to the bare minimum that might make these trackers want us. There's no finish line. If they grow while we're trying to improve our appeal and they become more selective, the fact is we just didn't become attractive enough fast enough. They're entirely entitled to only let in whoever they want and to change their requirements whenever they want.

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u/Valmed87 2d ago

What annoys me the most in that people who got in while they still had free signup or the requirements were lower are in no way better quality people or better seeders than the ones they dont let in now because of the high requirements. And that is not a LST thing...it pertains to all private trackers. They want better new users but are full of noobs that barely use their accounts and just had the luck of being there in the beginning. I have seen countless people that have an account on PTP since the times that you could find an invite in any corner of the internet but they barely know anything about p2p and IT stuff just enough to not bomb their account there.

Im not saying trackers should clean house and kick out all the noobs that they began with but its not fair either to keep raising the entry conditions. If all they want is to limit new signups so that their infrastructure can handle the user number, they could just keep signup closed indefinetely and open them up for everyone from time to time when they want to replenish their numbers. In this regard I really respect TorrentLeech: you dont need to grind for years to get in there...they open free signups from time to time, you just have to wait several months. And if you are a bad user, you get the boot.

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u/TAWMSTGKCNLAMPKYSK 1d ago

it's a system that works. compare the number of dead torrent on TL vs PTP

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u/EndGame395 2d ago

Yes waited 8 months or so for TL but it was worth. My most cherished entry level tracker.

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u/rigorsofindolence 1d ago

If all they want is to limit new signups so that their infrastructure can handle the user number, they could just keep signup closed indefinetely and open them up for everyone from time to time when they want to replenish their numbers.

Continous recruiment is more of an equal chance for everyone instead of a short recruiment period or short application period especially if accepted on first come-first served basis.

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u/hpass 2d ago

That's why you apply the second you are eligible. Any recruitment thread can disappear any moment without any notice. Poof!

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

Join MAM, DP, RFX, SP, ULCX, DCC, OE+ and YS, request what you can't find right away and stop being so goddamn impatient

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u/Spare-Floor256 2d ago

Could always just pay for shit. 

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u/Elephant-comb 2d ago

I thought all this shit was free?

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u/Angelito317 2d ago

This reminds me of when I barely missed Aither recruitment. I was so disappointed.

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u/Macatsu 2d ago

Me too. I was about a month off and it was crushing lol. Oh well, I got into LST and BLU and more importantly, I do love audiobooks. Just frustrated that Aither slipped through my fingers by so short a time since I'm unlikely to be able to meet other requirements like the 10-20 tb seedsize requirements to get in from other places, so I'm kind of at the end of my private tracker journey for now.

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u/Angelito317 2d ago

Yeah man, to be honest, I was way more into the books before I was looking into the TV media. But now I'm getting as many Disney movies and TV shows as I can for my kids, plus, whatever the wifey wants haha. I didn't even know Aither was on there that whole time, but I realized it too late. We'll get there one day!

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u/ayyy_MD 2d ago

lol I literally just got to 9 months on MaM today… was counting down the days

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u/st0jk3 2d ago

So what's left for us who wanted to climb to the better trackers via MAM? I guess they gave us the finger lol

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u/uthinkyouknowme8 2d ago

You gotta look for other options, MAM as a route is long gone.

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u/MediumAsk5591 2d ago

BLU is probably the next best step, BLU -> LST -> ATH is a decent route

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago edited 2d ago

With the amount of effort you would spend doing this, you might as well go through RED. Easier, and you would be getting into ATH in 6 months, not a few years.

MAM —> BLU requires 1 year, or 6 months and 15(?) uploads

BLU —> LST requires 6 months, and either 20TB upload or 5TB seeding size with average seed time of 1 month

LST —> ATH requires 20TB seed size, or 50TB uploaded with 10ish uploads, and 1 year

RED —> ATH requires 50GB uploaded, 50 uploads, and 6 months.

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u/MediumAsk5591 2d ago

No doubt if you want it sooner RED is the better route but that's always been the case?

Are you intentionally missing the entire appeal of MAM? People use MAM as an *easy* onto the tracker ladder. What's easier, lettign the *arr stack do its thing and just wait or get into red and a bunch of uploads and economy management on the worst tracker economy ever (exaggeration but not much).

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

I agree that MAM has its merits as being easier. It’s just that when you try going past the trackers immediately available from there, the merit of being easier generally goes away. I disagree with the notion that going MAM —> BLU —> LST —> ATH is easier than going RED —> ATH, even when taking the interview process into account.

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u/MediumAsk5591 2d ago

Just stating you disagree... I don't see how that is easier at all lol.

I think there are certain givens for people joining private trackers, and one of them is that they are going to download and seed content. Why else are you joining private trackers?

So if we assume that everyone going the MAM route is going to seed, all they have to do is add them to Prowlarr, cross seed whatever, and wait for the account age requirement. Pretty easy, especially considering they are going to be downloading and seeding stuff anyway.

Now let's look at RED. Horrible interview compared to MAM, have to actually upload a bunch of torrents which requires a decent amount of time and effort (and this is all extra stuff that has to be done, not like the MAM route where it was going to be done anyway). 50GiB of upload on RED is not easy either. You either need to race and run the risk of tanking your stats or upload way more than 50 torrents.

I genuinely don't see how that's easier?

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago edited 2d ago

So if we assume that everyone going the MAM route is going to seed, all they have to do is add them to Prowlarr, cross-seed whatever, and wait for the account age requirement. Pretty easy, especially considering they are going to be downloading and seeding stuff anyway.

Just my own experience, so it's anecdotal. I have roughly 30TB seeding in my torrent client, with cross seed set up across all of the trackers I'm on, and I've hit nowhere near 50TB uploaded on any of them, through organic seeding growth, and I don't have the BON required to buy it either.

I generally think that to reach these upload requirements (70Tb in total), you'll either need to spend actual time optimizing what you're seeding to maximize BP, or get a seedbox and race on it. I didn't expand on this point in my original comment, but this is generally why I view it as more difficult.

Now let's look at RED. Horrible interview compared to MAM, have to actually upload a bunch of torrents which requires a decent amount of time and effort (and this is all extra stuff that has to be done, not like the MAM route where it was going to be done anyway). 50GiB of upload on RED is not easy either. You either need to race and run the risk of tanking your stats or upload way more than 50 torrents.

The interview is a pain point, but it's also not something that should require more than a few hours learning the material. Everybody is different, though, so it may take more time for them.

I disagree with your notion of the difficulty of uploading torrents. The scripts available for uploading on RED can make the entire process take a few minutes to upload over 500 torrents. It can take a bit of time to set these up, but I don't think it would require more than 10 hours at the absolute maximum, for anybody, even somebody who has never opened cmd in their life. Even if you're doing things manually, downloading a torrent from better.php, dragging it into dbpoweramp, creating it, it's not a super difficult or effort-intensive task.

50GB *is* easy, with the proper seedbox, which can only require a few euros. You shouldn't have to worry about your buffer tanking; there are even filters in autobrr for Metacritic lists, so you aren't grabbing random garbage, if you want to be safer with what you race. You also don't need a seedbox. You are guaranteed a 1.0 ratio on anything you upload from a streaming site; tools exist to rip from streaming sites. It's just not as difficult as you're making it seem.

I genuinely don't see how that's easier?

Must just be a personal difference in viewpoint. In my opinion, it's easier to take the interview for RED and rank up to there, while in your opinion, it's easier to meet the various upload requirements on the other trackers.

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u/MediumAsk5591 2d ago

I personally was going for seedsize rather than upload when I was talking about it being easy. On reflection, I think I was wrong since most people probably don't have huge drives so have to go the upload route. Fair enough.

Just to clarify, I am not saying one route is better or worse, I just personally think its much easier to hit seedsize requirements passively than actively upload to RED.

RED route requires active engagement and is hugely more complicated than literally just seeding and waiting.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Yeah, seed size is pretty easy, and it's nice that trackers are starting to offer that as a requirement, instead of only uploads. It's just generally unattainable for most people unless they happen to have 20TB free to dedicate to seeding. If they do have it, then the path you outlined is pretty low effort.

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u/Give-Me-Bacon 2d ago

Have not and will not ever deal with red personally. Just for those wondering if it's possibly to climb without it, it is. It just takes a bit longer and theres nothing wrong with that. Most of the entry trackers will get you a lot of what you want and as you start wanting more you'll be close to gaining access to the pieces that have more anyways. Taking it as a sprint and not a race was so much less stressful. Just my take. Probably doesn't help that I have zero interest in torrenting music also

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

The issue I have with this phrasing is that it's not just about the wait; it's also that it requires more effort. A primary reason I see for avoiding RED is wanting to avoid the effort it requires, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for somebody whose goals would require them to go past MAM, they should also be informed of what specifically that entails. Because if their primary reason for wanting to take MAM over RED is to avoid effort, then they might not want to take the MAM path after all.

I'm not saying that you should never take MAM over RED, just that if your aim is to avoid effort, it's not just a case of it taking a bit longer. It requires more effort as well.

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u/monekm 2d ago

it's funny to me that quite a few ppl hint as if BLU is a stepping stone to LST.

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u/st0jk3 2d ago

They raised the bar for BLU too I think

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u/uthinkyouknowme8 2d ago

I mean, if you're on BLU, it's very likely you've been on LST for a long time.

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u/data_butcher 2d ago

that's insane lol, if the whole point of mam is being easy, you just stop at blu, and there's no problem with that

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u/gemifrak 1d ago

MAM -> Reelflix -> LST is faster I think
Should join BLU anyway, great tracker for easy it is to join

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u/sheezus69 2d ago

Honestly the LST and UCX seed ratio's are a bit silly. Alpharatio is much more reasonable and that's how I got ATH, LST, and OPS (think it's closed now).

Seed ratio's are really hard to meet, especially if you cross seed and race on freeleech

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u/PlzManCmon 2d ago

Well it is fairly easy if you upload, which is the intention.

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

And how do you get onto AR nowadays? Exactly.

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u/Harry__Gateau 2d ago

LST has grown in leaps and bounds.

I hope there’s still going to be a fairly straightforward path to it in the future.

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u/NKlaus- 2d ago

Gone from RED too. Funnily enough I requested an invite last night. That’s a shame..

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u/TrackersThrowaway69 2d ago

Pretty sure they weren’t doing official recruitment on RED

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u/NKlaus- 1d ago

There was a pinned thread posted a month ago. It’s still up on OPS

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u/rigorsofindolence 1d ago

Unofficial invite thread wouldn't be removed.

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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 2d ago

Interesting. Recently BLU raised the requirement from 9 months to 12 months membership.

Seems like MAM is losing its place as a pathway tracker, which is fine because its such an amazing tracker in of itself.

Unfortunate for those who have not gotten on LST yet, I dont find seedpool very appealing and have not used it since I got it. Prefer TL over it even. But LST is great so probably still worth picking up seedpool just to get in to LST.

Edit. I see they no longer recruit from seedpool either.

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u/Journeyj012 2d ago

I think that the issue isn't entirely with MAM, but the trackers getting too many people as a result of their relatively low requirements (other invite forums often require tebibytes of seed size). Raising requirements to keep the servers alive is acceptable in my opinion.

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u/Macatsu 2d ago

I'd go even further to say that the issue is people here constantly pointing to MAM as a way to get to those trackers, and posting these long guides on how to min-max the fastest way to invite forums.

MAM is excellent, but a lot of people were definitely just using it as part of a walkthrough to get to mid-high end

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u/spooker11 1d ago

To be fair… there just aren’t other ways to those trackers rn

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u/destiper 2d ago

how come you’re not using SP at all!? It’s so easy to build buffer if you have even just a 1TB+ hard drive, and they’ve been running FL events like every other week for the past ~6 months

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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 2d ago

I dont know, its something about the look and feel of it, i just dont enjoy the tracker. Even though i run a fully automated setup with arr i still enjoy browsing my trackers and hanging out. Seedpool and i just never clicked.

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u/CTC42 1d ago

SP's interface is just bogstandard UNIT3D. BLU, ATH, LST and many others are basically identical to SP in UI, with a few changes and deviations here and there. Though SP's multi-tier top menu is especially unpleasant.

Which is kinda annoying as I don't particularly enjoy the UNIT3D UI, though I understand the appeal of pre-made and pre-optimized setups rather than every tracker needing to start from scratch.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

MAM has been shifting away from being a good entry path for a few years now. I’d say OPS leaving was the beginning of it. Only thing going for it is that it requires literally 0 effort.

I’d recommend anybody that isn’t afraid of spending a few hours of effort* to go through RED instead. You can reach better trackers easier and quicker.

*This depends on your ability to understand the interview material, and learn other things to make the site easier, like setting up uploading scripts, optionally getting a seedbox, setting up a script for phone notifications on the interview. I think that with a LLM assisting, almost anybody should be capable, but it may take a bit longer.

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u/slavmaf 2d ago

few hours of effort to join red, and then how many hundreds of hours of effort to reach 500 uploads?

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

As I hinted at in the comment you’re replying to, the upload process can be made much easier, or completely automated, with transcoding and uploading scripts such as caesura or smoked salmon. Additionally, you need 5 uploads to unlock the invite forum. Not 500. Even doing transcodes manually with dbpoweramp or something should take an hour or so to reach 5, not the “hundreds” that you are referencing.

I understand if setting up the scripts can take some time, but once you have them it’s crazy how fast you can upload stuff without dedicating a lot of time.

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u/harpischorda 1d ago

Saying as someone who joined RED recently: it's easy. Finding new music to upload is not even a challenge (surprisingly). Then you can also do automated transcoding etc. The hard part is not 500 uploads, it's 500GB upload. But then it's a requirement for Elite TM which you only need for PTP and HDB. To be invited to most other trackers, you only need Power User/Elite and it's trivial to attain PU in 2 weeks with only 5 uploads.

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u/komata_kya 2d ago

500 upload is only required for PTP/HDB. Now tell me, what effort and time is required if you want to get to PTP/HDB without RED?

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u/random_999 1d ago

Now tell me, what effort and time is required if you want to get to PTP/HDB without RED?

Zero effort if you got lottery winning level luck to get an invite :D

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u/Super-Simple-5890 1d ago

This but unironically. Just talk to people and make friends and you'll be surprised.

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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 1d ago

2 years, 100tb and 200 uploads on aither? Thats a tough one for sure.

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u/CTC42 1d ago

200 uploads is nothing, that's like 15 minutes twice a week. 100tb is crazy though, I think it works out as 137gb upload per day every single day for 2 years...

The alternative (65TB seed size) is obviously easier, though the hardware is incredibly expensive right now.

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u/data_butcher 2d ago

It's not a few hours of effort. the queue is pretty big, it takes like a whole week for you to get an interview, the problem is possible you never get to that part because is very likely that you get disconnected in that time frame.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Waiting in the queue requires 0 effort outside of setting up IRC and then queuing in there, and potentially more if you set up something for notifications. I've heard from somebody that they recently fixed the netsplit issue, but I'm not sure if that is true.

I separate active effort from just waiting. If I combined both, MAM would look much worse, since you're required to wait 6 months at a minimum to unlock the invite forum. Waiting 6 months in the RED interview would be an extreme outlier.

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u/boarderlox 1d ago

All isp's in my country use cgnat, mine wont issue a static ip. Can't do interview with vpn. Think the longest I managed to stay in the queue without getting booted was 4 days then I dropped back to the back of the queue, only for it to keep happening for 2 months before I gave up 

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u/Sharp-County-8282 2d ago

Whats a good way into LST then?

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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 2d ago

No idea. BLU?

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Provided they still recruit on ant, you could go red —> ant —> lst and be on there in 3 months once you join RED. (Or replace ant with reelflix, or ulcx). You can also reach BHD in a similar amount of time, and Aither with 3 more months.

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u/Optimal-Job-5161 2d ago

I’m on ULCX. Do you know if they still recruit to LST from there?

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

I'm not on there, so I don't know for sure. The spreadsheet says that it's still available, but that can be outdated.

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u/Sharp-County-8282 2d ago

Seems I need to try RED then.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

The interview process is the part I’ve seen the most complaints about. You can use this script for phone notifications which can help with the queue and not missing your interview. For the material itself, I’m not sure what you learn best with but I’ve heard people have made flashcards for the material, so you should be able to find them with some googling.

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u/Sharp-County-8282 2d ago

Thanks! Yeah the issue i have is that im most likely not here when the interview starts 😅

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Fortunately, if you end up missing the interview, it doesn’t count as one of the three attempts you get. So you don’t lose anything, other than the time spent in that queue specifically.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

Yes, they removed their time requirement on a different tracker, so you can join there in a few months.

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u/SunlightKitten3849 2d ago

This is highly doubtful, and there’s no evidence to support it. This is all cyclical. If you come back in six months or a year, you’ll have seen other trackers come and go. It’s more likely the reason has nothing to do with MAM. I get people’s frustration, but this is pretty standard stuff in this community.

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u/aaronryder773 2d ago

sorry, what does LST stand for?

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u/CraneBlue 2d ago

LOST

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u/EconomyDoctor3287 1d ago

goated show :D

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u/monekm 2d ago edited 2d ago

LST must have pulled out within the last week, since I got an invite just two days ago. I've always maintained that RED is by far the best starting tracker. It demands some commitment, knowledge, and actual effort to unlock the invite forums, unlike MAM, where you can sit around doing fuck all. That barrier helps build a community of people who actually contribute instead of just chasing freebies.

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u/nghiamit 2d ago

Does LST recruit from RED?

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u/Super-Simple-5890 2d ago

No, I just checked. They do from OPS though

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u/monekm 2d ago

yes

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u/leojz777 2d ago

No they don't.

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u/ziadricky 2d ago

I'm sitting here crying because i was pruned for inactivity :(

LST was definitely not this big a few years ago...

you finally get to a tracker and the next day you're not there anymore

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u/Codelyez 2d ago

Usually you can get re-enabled once for inactivity in trackers. Just have to talk to the support in the IRC.

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u/ziadricky 2d ago

well I talked to mods of a Z sister sites (can't remember which site) but they said NO, a prune is permenant, and GL next time, so, I assume not all trackers?

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u/idakale 2d ago

Z trackers 'per lifetime` meaning are different than the rest. Basically unless you really messed up, you are allowed to register again for new one, BUT you most likely won't be able to recover the old one. Likewise with the download minimum of 1 torrent per 90 days or sth. Their justification is 4 torrent per year really ain't much to ask and was proven to help swarm health, vs not enforcing it.

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u/Codelyez 2d ago

Yeah not all trackers are that strict about inactivity pruning. Most places I interact with give one freebie for inactivity.

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u/ziadricky 2d ago

okay thanks for the reminder. I'll go try to appease the LST gods now.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

I’ve found LST staff to be pretty forgiving when it comes to inactivity.

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u/Appropriate-Donut197 1d ago

it will depend on the mod, the day, and often your account standing.

life happens. most mods or admins know that too.

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u/ShowZealousideal1774 2d ago

Just curious but how come you dont just cross-seed to PT that you dont use as your main?

Like I got my favourite ones too, but i cross-seed to my back ups (who may end up being my main in the future).

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u/ziadricky 2d ago

Funny you say that because the whole point of the tracker game is to reach the ones you want and forget the other public trackers entirely. it's kind of like reaching the top of the ladder and staring down.

I guess if you have to be in more than one, they have to be different from each other, not copycats or low or mid-tiers. what's the point of cross-seeding when you won't have use of that tracker's recruitment threads? that's how i see it honestly, like a corporate ladder, lol

Then again, some people get all they need from general trackers like TL.

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u/Super-Simple-5890 2d ago

The next day, 7 months later, who's counting really

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u/FinancialSurvey5794 1d ago

honestly if you get pruned for inactivity you weren't using it enough to deserve to be on that private tracker.

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u/Classic-Package-6853 1d ago

What do you expect with everyone posting on the web saying mam is a easy place to get ahead, and also posting invite paths online? They get pulled or the requirements go up.

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u/steglitsen 2d ago

Going straight to ATH in 3 weeks from RED. So sick of the moving goal post but I will not be needing Lst anyway.

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u/Harry__Gateau 1d ago

Aither’s amazing, but you might be surprised that there’s a fair bit of content on LST that’s not on Aither (of course the reverse is also true!)

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u/hpass 1d ago

There is stuff on LST that's not even on PTP.

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u/SmoothHat1772 2d ago

Nice, lucky I got in...

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u/Valmed87 2d ago

what is nice about it?

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u/SmoothHat1772 2d ago

The less people part of my super sekrit club the better, and the bigger my p2p-epenis becomes. Feels good when roads get shut down.

Hope to become a PTP fart sniffer one day.

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u/Valmed87 1d ago

I had a feeling thats what you meant

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

Haha at least ur honest about it

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u/CTC42 1d ago

PTP has a 40,000 member user cap lmao, that's like 25k to 30k higher than the typical mid or upper tier tracker. If member numbers are a measure of a club's exclusivity then they're among the least fart-sniffery of the better options

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u/Live_Situation7913 2d ago

MAM is dead nothing on there

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u/Penguin2359 2d ago

That's plainly false.

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u/Live_Situation7913 2d ago

I’m on private forum rn tell me where invites are to higher trackers

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u/Penguin2359 2d ago

Well you used the word "dead" and it's clearly not, still has BLU and SP to quote 2 out of many.

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u/xRobert1016x 2d ago

That’s asking a different thing than claiming it’s dead outright. It’s never been very good for aiming for higher trackers, but for anybody satisfied by like BLU or SP it’s fine.

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u/Live_Situation7913 2d ago

🤡blu or sp

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u/awoodhall 2d ago

What? lol

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u/sn00ze33 2d ago

Ma cazzo mi mancavano due settimane per i 9 mesi per entrare da MAM

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u/tracksinclude 2d ago edited 2d ago

Dead easy requirements on PTP though. Stop crying and do some actual work neons.

  • You must be an unwarned Power User or higher

  • Only request an invite for yourself, not on behalf of someone else

  • Must not be involved in buying, selling, or trading invites/accounts (or affiliated with invite-trading communities)

  • No previous LST account. If you've lost access to an old account, use the Contact button on the login page

  • Stay active — inactive accounts are automatically disabled after 90 days and permanently pruned after 120 days

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u/rigorsofindolence 1d ago

Very relevant for people who were looking to join LST from MAM.

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u/Caedendi 1d ago

VeghEsther be like I just spammed Knights of the Round

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