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r/tressless • u/thatdocman • Dec 15 '23
Research/Science A Complete Guide to Hair Loss for Beginners
Hey guys, as the end of 2023 nears, I thought I'd do a post for those coming to this sub in desperate need of help.
In this post I’m going to be talking about the science of hair loss and what to do if you are balding and want to stop it.
I’m a medical student and have donated a lot of my personal time to pharmacology, hormones and hair protocols through research and experimentation. There’s a lot going on here on Reddit, and as a beginner it can be very daunting to decide on what to do. Obviously everything should be discussed with your doctor, but below is my best attempt at a guide to explain a little bit about hair loss:
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I first noticed I was balding around 12 months ago, and rather than get caught up in the genetics of hair loss and trying to figure out whether it was Dad, my Mum’s Dad, my Mum’s Dad’s Dad or the goldfish he owned when he was 10, I thought to myself:
I can’t change my genetics. Whatever my DNA sequencing (genomic regions) has in store for me in regards to balding, that’s pretty much set. The best I can do is fight as long as I can using the highest quality science, products and methodologies to offset it.
And that’s what I’ve been doing, with good success, over the past 12 months.
Let’s get into it, and I’m going to do this in order of most important to least (in my opinion).
Getting to the root cause: DHT
Okay, so if we look at the entire testosterone/HPT axis pathway, cholesterol is converted to testosterone and some people think that’s the end of the line, but it’s actually not; 5-alpha reductase (5A1/2 in the image below) is the enzyme responsible for converting Testosterone (T) to its much more potent form DHT (dihydrotestosterone).

Now, interestingly, 5-alpha reductase for whatever reason is very high prevalent in skin tissue - including the human scalp. And side note: this is why guys who take testosterone gel or cream often have very high levels of DHT compared to guys who take injections, because the cream is being converted through the skin into DHT at a much higher rate than injectable esters into muscle bellies. But, basically, it is this 5-alpha reductase activity in the scalp that is converting testosterone to DHT, and DHT through a variety of mechanisms leads to follicular miniaturisation (hair thinning, and eventual loss of your hair follicles).
But why? Well, there are hundreds of factors: hormonal (androgen receptor density & sensitivity to said androgens), physical, genetic, environmental. The list goes on.
Note; this study goes into a lot more depth for those of you interested.
But, how do we actually combat balding?

Slowing Down Male Pattern Baldness
5-alpha Reductase Inhibitors (Finasteride, Dutasteride):
With how much I’ve spoken about 5-alpha reductase and DHT, it seems logical that stopping this conversion of Testosterone to DHT is the absolute first line of defence against hair loss.
To really, truly combat hair loss, the first mechanism is as follows: you absolutely need to reduce your hair follicles’ exposure to DHT.
And how do we do this? Well, finasteride is a drug that acts as a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. Sold under the name Propecia, the molecule is a strong 5-alpha reductase inhibitor, and has been shown to inhibit around 70% of serum (blood) levels of DHT from peak. The usual starting dose is 1mg daily. Dutasteride (sold under the name Avodart) is an even more potent inhibitor (usual starting daily dose is 0.5mg), and can block up to 98% of conversion from T to DHT: it is a much more potent inhibitor of the enzyme that converts T to DHT. Dutasteride would be an option if you wanted a nuclear option to block almost all DHT. In fact, one of my favourite studies compared the difference between Finasteride vs. Dutasteride, and as you can see below, the suppression of DHT levels from Dutasteride was significantly more than Finasteride. Not only this, but the half life of Dutasteride is significantly longer than Finasteride (~8 hours vs. 5 weeks!), and you can see that in the Dutasteride group after stopping treatment (Follow-up Period), DHT levels remained suppressed for a much longer time.

Side effects from 5-alpha reductase inhibitors are rare, although we should speak about them. Online, through various forums, Reddit posts, YouTube videos and TikTok’s time and time again I see posts about nasty Finasteride side effects, post-Finasteride syndrome and how Rob can’t get his Johnson hard anymore because of Finasteride, so his girlfriend left him.
Now, don’t get me wrong, side effects have been noted, although current research puts the risk of side effects at around 1-3% of people, so even though online there is a lot of noise about finasteride and its side effects, I personally don’t think the research supports this scaremongering. There is also going to be a natural selection bias with the stories online, because the guy for whom Finasteride is working well and who is not experiencing any side effects, he isn’t really going to post. Because why would he? He’s doing fine.
However, I absolutely sympathise with the people who just cannot tolerate 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. Side effects can be very real, and this is why it is vitally important to always consult with a qualified doctor before deciding on any medication: I’m just presenting the science. Everyone reacts slightly differently, and these can be strong medications - so it's important to be well-informed and sensible with whatever path you and your medical practitioner decide to go down.
Topical Minoxidil 5% (Rogaine):
Minoxidil is a compound that has been shown to increase the rate of DNA synthesis in anagen (growth phase) bulbs of hair follicles. Basically minoxidil stimulates hair cells to move from telogen (resting phase) to anagen (growing phase) - so instead of having hair follicles resting, it is telling the body to move them back into a growth phase by shortening the resting phase. The idea here is that you get more ‘regrowth’ of hair follicles.

Minoxidil stimulates hair cells to shorten the resting (telogen) phase and go back into an anagen (growing phase). Often, progress pictures will show significant new regrowth or ‘baby’ hairs growing with minoxidil treatment.
I apply Rogaine, a 5% strength Minoxidil foam twice daily in areas that I feel are receding. The nice thing about the foam is that it isn’t super sticky (unlike some people report with the gel), and it also acts as a nice way to hold my hair throughout the day, like hair product.
As you can see from the photo below, there is a vast difference between telogen (resting phase) and anagen (growing phase), and the idea is that the more hairs you can keep in anagen, the more healthy your hair will be, by limiting the amount of follicles that inevitably go through an anagen restart and die off.

There is also the option of oral minoxidil, which anecdotally at least seems to be very powerful at regenerating ‘baby’ hairs (or, new regrowth). Again, oral minoxidil can have some pretty significant side effects and drug interactions with blood pressure medications, so speaking through with your doctor is key!
Ketoconazole Shampoo:
This shampoo is primarily an anti-dandruff shampoo, but research has shown it may increase the proportion of hairs in anagen phase (growth phase) - resulting in reduced hair shedding. This study showed that 1% ketoconazole shampoo increased hair diameter over baseline after 6 months of use and reduced shedding. Interestingly, participants’ hair diameter also increased over baseline, showing that it may play a role in creating thicker hair.
Nizoral is a common brand here in Australia of 2% strength ketoconazole shampoo.

What is good about ketoconazole, is that it’s also a weak androgen receptor antagonist. What does this mean? It means it competes with DHT and Testosterone for binding to the active binding domain on the human AR (androgen receptor). If a compound can bind to a receptor without influencing its usual effects, it is said to be an antagonist. Basically, if ketoconazole can get into an androgen receptor before Testosterone or DHT, it will occupy that site and block T/DHT from binding and starting their usual process of killing off hair follicles (follicular miniaturisation).
Goodbye DHT, nobody wants you here.
Dermarolling
Derma-what?
Dermarolling is the process of creating micro punctures in the scalp skin to induce a wound healing response, with an array of tiny microneedles.

In this study, the dermarolling + minoxidil treated group was statistically superior to the minoxidil only treated group in promoting hair growth in men with balding patterns, for all primary efficacy measures of hair growth. In fact, the microneedling group outperformed even the minoxidil group in terms of how much hair was regrown after 12 weeks:

The mechanism seems to be that continued microtrauma to the scalp skin leads to a release of platelet derived growth factors and other growth factors that are sent to the area of scalp, to aid in the skin wound regeneration. The added benefit is that there seems to be some carry over effect to hair growth, as dermarolling seems to activate stem cells or ‘unspecialised’ cells that are yet to be differentiated, and differentiate them into hair follicle cells, meaning more hair growth. Basically, its a wound healing response that brings growth factors to the area of the scalp to increase hair growth.
I have played around with a few different protocols, but I use a 1.5mm roller and roll horizontally, vertically and diagonally for about 30 seconds in areas where my hairline is thinning or receding. I do this every 10 days. You don’t want to press so hard that you draw blood, but it should also hurt slightly. I mean, putting hundreds of tiny spikes into your scalp isn’t really my idea of Sunday night fun. But hey, if it regrows some hair why not?
There are also derma-stamps and motorised tools, all of which assist with the end goal: creating a wound healing response to bring growth factors to the scalp, and potentially assist the penetration of Minoxidil deeper into the scalp skin tissue.
Natural DHT blocking compounds:
Natural DHT blockers are also options, although obviously the results aren’t going to be nearly as strong as what is mentioned above.
Some people have good results (anecdotally) with rosemary oil applied topically, green tea and saw palmetto are options here. However, the science is very hit and miss, and in any event, I can’t see natural compounds competing against the 'Big 4'.
RU58841:
Now, that’s all good, but what if you need a nuclear chemical. Something that would attack the androgen receptor at a direct level in your scalp? Well, that compound is below. But a quick warning: I do not recommend this compound. A lot of people use it, but that doesn’t mean it’s safe. There is no (yes, zero) long-term safety data on the compound below, and whether you choose to take a completely untested chemical is up to you. But I don’t recommend it - have I said that enough?
Alright so, apart from sounding like a bunch of random letters because your cat ran over your keyboard, RU58841 is a strong DHT blocker (it has been shown to inhibit around 70% of DHT binding to the androgen receptor), but not in the way that Finasteride or Dutasteride work.

Instead of finasteride and dutasteride which work on inhibiting the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, RU58841 works on the AR itself - occupying the active site, so that when DHT tries to get in and exert its hair destructive effects in the scalp, it can’t, it’s literally blocked from accessing the active site of the androgen receptor.

And in this study, RU58841 was found to inhibit 70% of DHT binding. Combining something like finasteride or dutasteride which attacks 5-alpha reductase converting T to DHT with RU58841 which stops ~70% of DHT binding to the androgen receptor, and you’d now be attacking hair loss from 2 vectors: T to DHT conversion, as well as at a receptor level. Now you can start to understand why this is a nuclear option for hair loss, and incredibly powerful.
However, despite how good all of that sounds in practice, just remember, RU58841 is completely untested in regards to side effects. There is no long-term safety data on how it may or can impact human health, so what I’m saying (for legal reasons) is don’t use it. Get what I’m saying?
Final Thoughts:
And, there it is guys. Now, just a quick note, this isn’t a super comprehensive list of all supplements for a hair regrowth/hair protection protocol, but is a solid start.
There are certainly more ‘niche’ options, or compounds in development now that may be promising (or not, looking at you Phase 3 of Pyrilutamide trials), but this guide was just the bare basics for a beginner to wrap his head around (no pun intended) the science and how to start combatting AGA.
In particular, if you want to save your hair, it’s going to be the ‘big 4’: finasteride (or Dutasteride), Minoxidil, Ketoconazole shampoo and derma-rolling roughly once a week to every 2 weeks.
This would follow the best possible science that we have at the moment, in terms of targeting as many vectors as possible:
- T to DHT blockade (5-alpha reductase inhibitors, Fin/Dut)
- Anagen/telogen manipulation (Minoxidil)
- Localised scalp tissue androgen receptor antagonism (Keto, RU58841)
- Wound healing response cascade (physical microneedling/trauma)
Hope you enjoyed and got something out of this guide! My social links are on my profile if interested in more.
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r/tressless • u/Extension-Win-5106 • 1h ago
Minoxidil Minoxidil/tretinoin/micro needling results after 6 months
These are my (25M) results after about 6 months of topical minoxidil once a day combined with tretinoin, and micro needling once a week. I'm seeing an endocrinologist this week to get my hormones tested and to talk about starting finasteride. I am absolutely terrified of that stuff but this hairloss shit is a serious drag on my self confidence and would love to get some better regrowth and maybe reverse some of the recession. I know finasteride is primarily for maintaining rather than regrowth, but I've seen some people come back from literally nothing while using finasteride. Do you all think it's worth it?
r/tressless • u/doubtfuljoee • 3h ago
Progress Pictures Me at 27 before starting any treatment vs now, at 34, after fin/min and 8 months post hair transplant
Was looking at some older pictures and I’m impressed with the change. At 2019 I started taking finasteride and topical minoxidil. For the past two years I’ve switched to oral minoxidil (2.5mg). Also, it’s been 8 months since my 5k graft hair transplant. It’s not super thick up top but it does the job. Overall I’m very happy
r/tressless • u/smart4 • 2h ago
Chat We need to make an effort to "force" AI companies to find a baldness cure before the bubble bursts.
Whether you believe more or less in the potential of AI, it's clear by current breakthroughs that AI is really capable of finding new solutions to problems that humanity has not yet.
Also, I'm not saying AI is a bubble in itself, but the valuations of companies like OpenAI might be, and I don't see this company surviving many years.
So I think we have an opportunity window while these companies burn money on "marketing" science advancements, like millennium problems, before they run out of money and AI enters a few winter years where, while still advancing, there might not be multi million dollar efforts with no clear return. Also, depending on what the "solution" looks like, they might be able to patent it and maybe make a profit.
It's true this is not a "simple" testable solution that can be verified inside a computer, like a math problem, but I believe there is enough literature and studies so that it can yield some conclusions with enough certainty that might help or solve androgenic alopecia.
So if you think this "idea" is worth giving a shot, what first actions would you take, or what would you do to encourage these companies to give it a shot?
A simple idea that comes to mind is starting a Change.org petition.
r/tressless • u/EnvironmentalHat5503 • 1d ago
Satire Wouldn't you like to remedy your unprofitable business?
r/tressless • u/aripebananawey • 5h ago
Finasteride/Dutasteride 2 month 1/2 months progress on hims fin+min
first pic is when treatment started hair dryed after shower second pic is 2 months in dryed after shower as well
r/tressless • u/bruhimchillenye • 15h ago
Shaved/buzzed How cooked am I? Not sure if I should just shave it frz
Not sure if I should shave it or should I try to do something like apple cider vinegar on the scalp?
r/tressless • u/Impression_Lazy • 2h ago
Finasteride/Dutasteride What to do when fin give you sides?
Quit topical fin 3 month ago because og side effect, and now I really feel the hairloss getting worse. Kinda desperate now, what have people like me done after getting sides from fin? Is topical dut an alternative? Or will I just get worse sides from it. Feeling lost!
r/tressless • u/Equivalent-Tell7067 • 6h ago
Treatment Anyone doing laser hair removal (full body) while on oral Minoxidil 2.5mg? Seeking experiences
Hallo Leute, Ich mache seit etwa 6 Monaten eine Ganzkörper-Diodenlaser-Haarentfernung und habe ordentliche Ergebnisse erzielt (viele lichte Stellen/Flicken). Vor etwa 2 Wochen habe ich mit oralem Minoxidil in einer Dosis von 2,5 mg für mein Haar an der Haarlinie/Kopfhaut begonnen. Seitdem habe ich eine plötzliche Zunahme des Körperhaarwachstums in den Bereichen bemerkt, in denen ich lasere. Im Moment fühlt es sich an, als würde ich gleichzeitig Gas geben und bremsen, was im Grunde Geldverschwendung für Lasersitzungen bedeutet, die durch systemisch verstärktes Haarwachstum zunichte gemacht werden. Meine oberste Priorität ist definitiv mein Kopfhaar, daher ist das Absetzen von OM keine Option. War jemand in einer ähnlichen Situation? Habt ihr die Laserbehandlung ganz pausiert/abgebrochen? Hat sich das Körperhaarwachstum nach einer Weile beruhigt, oder seid ihr einfach auf IPL für zu Hause/Rasur umgestiegen? Würde gerne hören, wie ihr diese Kombination gehandhabt habt. Danke!
I'm not sure if I should keep going with laser, if it's just a waste of money, or if I should take a break to see if all the patchiness fills back in or not. It would be super helpful if anyone out there has been in a similar situation and could share their experience!
r/tressless • u/Novel_Dog_676 • 1h ago
Finasteride/Dutasteride Looking to hear from someone who went from oral to topical fin
What was your experience like with sides? I have sides on oral but want to try topical fin. Did you notice no sides on topical? Was it just as effective? Thanks
r/tressless • u/Puzzled_Air_3489 • 4h ago
Progress Pictures 10 month 0.5mg Dut twice a week
Both taken with dry hair, big light and flash on
Had severe Seb derm for years causing inflammation, dandruff, and hairloss
Finasteride gave me libido issues and brain fog, but dutasteride has been amazing, feel better than ever
The shed was brutal, but I haven’t had a inflamed scalp in over 7 months, I no longer see a crazy amount of hair in the shower, and my libido/mood has gone back to normal
Excited to see what comes next
r/tressless • u/InsideRaspberry2816 • 45m ago
Minoxidil ORAL MINOXIDIL 2.5 RESULTS Experience ?
Oral min 2.5mg daily for about 3 months
Oral fin 1mg eod for about 2 months
I'm still shedding no results😴 when can i actually see some results
Will it work for everyone ..I'M NW2
r/tressless • u/61plus8 • 1h ago
Product Hair fibers while on Dut + Min?
Has anyone used hair fibers while starting on their treatment? Any pros/cons?
Hair fibers work great for me, but obviously, want a more permanent solution. Using the fibers while I start my treatment, but not sure if there are any negative impacts of doing so.
Thanks for any advice!
Dut 0.05mg
Min 2.5mg
r/tressless • u/GABEOWNERS_1 • 1h ago
Product Bhringraj oil. Has anybody tried this for an extended period?
I’ve recently learned about the false daisy plant or Bhringraj which is made into oil and can be applied onto the scalp. It supposedly slows down hair fall and helps stimulate the growth centre of hair follicles.
Human clinical proof is very limited on this, has anybody tried this for themselves?
r/tressless • u/Gobrazzy • 17h ago
Progress Pictures treatment for almost 11 months
I got a haircut by the way the first like five pictures are from like 3 to 4 months ago and the last three are in the past five days , im a 19 yo male and i was on oral fin 1 mg and oral min 2.5 mg and around month 6.5 i switched from fin to dutasteride 0.5 (Total almost 11 months on treatment) and i dont know what to feel if i have stabilized my hair or if its just a lost cause. everyone i run my hands aggressively in the sink hairs fall out and when i lightly pull on some hairs they come out. its just ruining my confidence seeing all the hyper responders, so be honest do you guys think i have a change with more density and thickening and possibly more regrowth? i only have some pictures of 6 months into the treatment and i have one some today. Am i cooked?
r/tressless • u/Puzzled_Professor422 • 2h ago
Minoxidil 10 months on fin + min report and advice required from NW4 To NW3
Hi everyone I've been on fin 0.65mg daily and low alcohol content minoxidil 5% X1 application a day my baseline was NW4 now I think i'm like NW3 I'm still thinning but way less noticeable and got temple recession too but the main problem is that my hair is brittle and very dry and I recently my scalp has become very itchy. I wash my head at every 4 days so I don't know why it looks so damaged ?
Any advices the itchiness is on mosquito bite level.
Thank you kindly
r/tressless • u/Beneficial-Pop-3025 • 2h ago
Minoxidil Oral min 4th week. How worse will it get !
When is min going to calm down... wash days are crazy!
Does 2.5mg min even work significantly?
Already on fin for 14 months
r/tressless • u/AdeptAd9105 • 2h ago
Minoxidil Tretinoin gel vs cream for minoxidil or use topical with both
Was wondering shall i apply seperately (gel or cream) or find a product with both
I know gel can cause more dryness
I already have normal to dry scalp so…
cream might be too greasy?
r/tressless • u/Objective-Set-6018 • 3h ago
Finasteride/Dutasteride Finasteride dosage for hair density advice
Hi guys, ive started fin at 0.5mg 3x a week, overall goal is to stop shedding ive been experiencing the past 7-8 months and overall increase hair density. Wondering if my dosage is appropriate for the goal and whether i should add anything else that could help with density
r/tressless • u/Klutzy_Bug_3084 • 15h ago
Finasteride/Dutasteride Following an estrogen spike and the development of gynecomastia, I took a 3-week break from finasteride. What should I do now?
Hello everyone. After taking 0.5 mg of Propecia for 40 days, my blood test showed very high estrogen levels, and I noticed a small, movable lump under my left nipple. I haven’t taken the medication for 3 weeks, but my hair is shedding severely. I am currently at an NW2 (Norwood 2) stage. My scalp is not suitable for topical finasteride—it is very oily and prone to eczema. What should I do? Could those who have had similar experiences offer some advice? If I were to lower the dose—for instance, to 0.25 mg per day—would it still be effective? Watching my hair fall out in clumps is absolutely devastating.
r/tressless • u/BigKey8574 • 19h ago
Progress Pictures Treatment by dutasteraid.......
first and second photos are after 5 months on dutasteride, while the third is after 1 month and 15 days.
Any progress?
r/tressless • u/No_Acadia3642 • 11h ago
Minoxidil Could Ozempic affect how oral minoxidil works?
Since Ozempic slows gastric emptying, could it also make regular oral minoxidil absorb more slowly and behave a little more like extended-release minoxidil?
Not saying it’s actually the same thing, just wondering if the slower digestion could affect the peak, side effects, or even results.
Has anyone here used oral minoxidil both before and after starting Ozempic or another GLP-1?
Did you notice any difference, positive or negative?
r/tressless • u/Firm-Negotiation8523 • 1d ago
Progress Pictures Before and after three months of treatment
The first photo is three months before taking minoxidil and finasteride and the second one is after taking them do y'all see any improvement(ik its still early)