r/ufc • u/Fragrant-Lynx-3559 • 7h ago
Drop a hot take that is guaranteed to get you downvoted
Mine is that DP is currently a top 5 level middleweight
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u/Crateapa 6h ago
I find most of you dumber than fuck.
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u/Mountain_Memory1677 3h ago
Couldn't agree more, people watching mma for less than 5 days come and drop there bs l takes here with the crowd
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u/trager53_ 5h ago
The majority of men in the mma community (especially those who have never trained a day in their lives) are chuds with an iq of 12, who love to bash on other people and make all kinds of assertions about masculinity when they're actually so pathetically insecure they end up whining and crying when their own perception of masculinity is challenged in any sort of way
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u/PoatanDoBronx281 7h ago
merab's fights are entertaining
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u/Diptothaset 6h ago
Yea his style of wrestling and the dominance I personally find entertaining.
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u/driatic 6h ago
He's also like the energizer bunny. I know it's probably EPO bc they dont get tested by USADA anymore, but he's like nate diaz and instead of relentless punching it's relentless wrestling.
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u/Diptothaset 6h ago
I’m personally pretty sure he’s just autistic or some shit and also has immigrant work ethic. Those things combined just make him a machine that always has to be doing something, and since it’s more efficient to do something than nothing a lot of that goes into training
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u/driatic 6h ago
Maybe and we'll never know either way, but his pre-fight stuff is also a little suspicious. He's not just warming up he's moving like a guy that has to keep moving, he moves like he has to in order to avoid blood clots
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u/Diptothaset 6h ago
So, you think Merab Devalishvili is basically the human version of the plot of Speed, and the sequel Speed 2: cruise control?
That’s definitely an argument someone could make
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u/TheDream425 5h ago
It’s a thing, EPO gives a higher red blood cell count which increases cardio to superhuman levels, but it thickens your blood to the point that if you don’t move enough, you can have a heart attack.
Like, guys like Lance Armstrong would have to wake up in the middle of the night and get on the bike to avoid a stroke or heart attack
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u/P0ster_Nutbag 6h ago
Complete domination isn’t as exciting to watch as a good back and forth. Merab has had a few one sided dominant performances, and you can’t really blame him for it. His competitive fights are extremely entertaining high level MMA… Umar, Yan 2, Cory even were awesome fights.
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u/ConcentrateOld6194 6h ago
I agree I like most of Merabs fights but you have to understand a significant portion of the sub despised him from the Aldo, Yan & Umar fights
I don’t think a lot of the users on here fully got over that especially the Umar fans
The Aldo fight was the only one that sucked in my opinion but the rest were very high pace
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u/TheRabidNarwhal 6h ago
Not even a hot take by the end of his title run, most of the people shitting on him are just casuals who want to see nothing but hands. Besides the Aldo fight most of his bouts are high pressure striking + wrestling to the max.
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u/Stevegasmic 6h ago
Demetrius Johnson needs to stop siding with the UFC on contract negotiations
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u/alfred_dildo 4h ago
DJ should honestly just stfu about anything that isn't actual fighting. And he isn't even stupid, just his opinions and the way he expresses them are annoying. He's very biased and resentful which just makes him say random inconsistent shit
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 6h ago
Rule breaks during a match should be punished immediately regardless of intent. To add to that, tainted supplements shouldn't be an accepted excuse.
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u/zzzrecruit 5h ago
I believed that anybody who used "tainted supplements" was a liar until Yoel Romero actually won that lawsuit.
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u/TrisolarisRexxx 7h ago
I think knees to grounded opponents should be allowed.
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u/Outrageous-Spite3423 6h ago
agree. i also think the judges should seperate fighters who stall in wrestling or clinch even quicker.
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u/sunnyddowner 6h ago
Ilia topuria is not a quitter.
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u/RoUrBoat123 Pervert eye happy, but your soul sad 2h ago
people deadass just lie when in reality his brother clearly stopped the fight.
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u/Larryhooova 7h ago
Even though hes a whiny bitch who clearly ducked Zabit to the point that the UFC cut him, I actually think Yair would have beat Zabit if they fought.
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 6h ago
So like an Aspinall-Jones situation, where the coward had what it took to win but didn't feel confident enough to actually risk it?
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u/TheIciestCream 6h ago
Prime Chuck Liddell vs prime Alex Pereira is way more competitive than people want to admit.
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u/Dick_shoes1 6h ago
Prime Chuck was hard to beat, its a shame he went to long and took some brutal knockouts
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u/WaveOfDream 3h ago
Fake hardcore take. Pereira would legitimately kill him.
Like no disrespect but people who say shit like this simply have no knowledge of mma. Anyone with decent knowledge and watch both of their fights can tell you there's a world of difference between their striking and athleticism. And how much MMA has evolved. Chuck don't even know the concept of calf kick.
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u/Fun-Ice-6013 6h ago
Chuck is better kickboxer than given credit for however I think even Liddel fans forget that he can & will wrestle if he wants too
Chuck Liddel used his wrestling to negate Belfort & Overeem advantages a few times, was able to negate Randy Couture & Tito’s wrestling
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u/long-dick-of-the-law 7h ago
khabib is not a top 5 fighter of all time
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u/Powerful_System 6h ago
this isn't a hot take and won't get downvotes, kinda cowardly out of you to just repeat what is always said and upvoted
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u/violin-guy 3h ago
If we’re talking legacy wise, then yeah of course he’s barely even top 10, that’s not a hot take. If we’re talking skill-wise, that could be a hot take yeah
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u/KingAngeli 7h ago
Justin Gaethje will do what he does to Arman and make it look easy
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u/TheRabidNarwhal 6h ago
Gaethje has had super solid takedown defense his entire career, the fact someone like Ruffy who is a relative noob when it comes to takedown defense was able to weather Arman’s takedowns almost the entire time doesn’t bode well for Arman.
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u/Secret-Nomad1 6h ago
Ilia’s wrestling is massively overrated.
They say he’s a wrestler who fell in love with his hands, but looking at his background and how much he’s used of it, it doesn’t seem like he’s as proficient at his wrestling style compared to other wrestlers.
I would put him slightly above a UFC fighter that isn’t a wrestler.
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u/SukhdevR34 4h ago
He was saying he would submit Islam then was trying and failing takedowns vs Gaethje lol. His clinch and wrestling got a bit exposed in that fight.
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u/ShineMost8085 2h ago
I mean he was visibly gassed and beaten to a pulp at that point, it’s not really saying much about his skill if he can’t get someone down
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u/Glu7enFree 1h ago
Did he not considering just seeing red? Like maybe I'm built different but I'd have eaten those shots from gaethje and taken him down at will.
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u/katilkoala101 4h ago
he does have the skill but not the commitment to actually gameplan his wrestling or to have an actual system he uses as a strategy. In turn, he'll look super good in his wrestling (being pretty confident against oliveira, the throws against zalal, sub attempts against zalal, downblocks against mitchell) but he wont actually benefit from top control and his grappling isnt a huge asset when push comes to shove.
Also jumps positions a lot. Good for catching some people off-guard and pushing pace (like the aforementioned guard pass against oliveira) but he doesnt secure control really well and can throw up some flimsy sub attempts (like against gaethje).
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u/violin-guy 3h ago
Yeah he has pretty good skill, but grappling requires a lot of energy and focus, and at that point that would detract from ilia’s greater strengths in his hands if he tried to commit too much to grappling in a fight. I will say his defensive grappling is very in tune bc of his experience, but I don’t think his offensive grappling will be amazing at the highest levels (esp considering how small he is at LW)
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u/East_Difficulty_7342 5h ago
Fouls or no fouls Ciryl stops Pereira 10 times out of 10
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_PHISH 7h ago
UFC is putting out better cards now than ever, but we are in a changing of the guard with a lot of the big names that were popular over the last 6 to 8 years so everyone sees no name fighters and brushes it off. I'm finding new, exciting fighters to follow every weekend almost.
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u/CheeseWeenie 7h ago
Yes! This. We are moving into a new era of fighters, soon these “no names” are going to be the biggest names for the era. Joshua Van was a “no name” for a long time, now a two time defending Flyweight champ. They’re coming, a lot of sports need time for their best athletes to develop. This new era definitely going to be awesome. I feel I’ve enjoyed all the cards, even the one people thought would flop.
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u/AmItheonlySaneperson 7h ago
Ian Garry is good
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u/and_a_dollar_short 6h ago
Dude took short notice fights against Shavkat and Carlos Prates. That’s gangster. He’ll fight anyone, clearly. Respect.
“But he’s a boring fighter.” Not gonna disagree, but I’m still gonna watch for the result.
Post-Islam: In the future I would not be surprised if gets at least one title win.
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u/babababronsky 7h ago
Insanely good. That was the best fight of the year if you like high level mma. Basically the best fighter of all time fighting almost perfectly and Garry still came pretty close to pulling it out. Islam fought a 99/100 fight and Garry was like 96/100.
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u/Sad-Cupcake6802 6h ago
High level mma is shaking your opponents hand and saying good job in between every round instead of going for the kill? Best fight of mma display this year so far is absolutely Pantoja vs Van
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u/thebuzzbed 7h ago
Ian Garry doesn't not seem like a shitty dude like most people suggest. On the contrary he seems like a great dude to me.
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u/TyshawnMaikonMillion 6h ago
Watch the build up for his Neil Magny fight and watch the fight in itself, and you will understand why nobody likes him.
Also him being corny doesn't help.
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 5h ago
Not a good thing by any means, but did he know about the ongoing case? Besides, when you factor in that other fighters on the roster have been or are either rapists, Nazis, deliberately hanging out with the worst people on the planet and sportswashing them etc then what Garry does seems forgettable in comparison.
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u/Franklintheplankton 6h ago
He doesn’t come across as “shitty” to me, just extremely fake and not genuine. Like he is really really concerned with his image. The day he was accused by his brother for misrepresenting his childhood, he posted a weird video of him talking about how much he loves his son and saying all these great scripted things. Outside of the timing being obvious, who does that? Like who does it fool? Most people are just good parents and they don’t bring a camera crew in to show everybody. And it’s not just that, he tried his hand at being a heel first and switched to golden boy as soon as he couldn’t take people making fun of him. Even threatening lawsuits privately to Strickland. That kind of stuff just feels super odd to me and I never really feel like we see who he really is, just who he wants to be seen as.
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u/angra_mainyo 6h ago
Ilia Topuria would have lost to Volk on the cards if the short notice Islam fight didn't happen.
JDM would not have defeated Kamaru or Leon Edwards.
Petr Yan can defeat Evloev and become FW champ when Volk retires.
RDR can fluke a championship on LHW.
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 4h ago
I can believe the last one for sure, he's probably the best submission artist if not overall grappler in that division.
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u/scandinavian_thrust 4h ago
I wait until the fights are over before I start watching. That way I can fast forward through all the striking until someone gets a TD
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u/OpeningAbrocoma100 7h ago
JDM is the worst champion in last 5 years
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u/Quirky-Theory-4156 7h ago
Ulberg is champ rn. Jamahal Hill was champ a few years ago. JDM was bad, but there are worse.
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u/Fragrant-Lynx-3559 6h ago
Ulberg is really good people just don’t like him, actually has a very legit resume with dominant wins
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u/Neither-Flow-9501 6h ago
Ulberg is a good fighter lol. He's no where near as bad as jdm or hill and I like those 2
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u/Immediate_Air_3365 7h ago
JDM wasn’t really that bad imo.
Sure he has trouble with groundgame but so does half the roster. Upto his defence he did great, dominated almost everyone he fought.
Sure he is one of the not so great champs we’ve had but there are way worse. Dude just isn’t the best in the world, nothing particularly bad about that.
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u/Fragrant-Lynx-3559 6h ago
Dominated Holland to a split decision? Dominated Hafez to a split decision? Dominated washed Burns who he was LOSING to until he landed a miracle knee? Dominated Belal on the feet who he went to a competitive decision with who was a primary wrestler?
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u/DCarfTheHomie89 6h ago
He has literally one quality win, Belal
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u/ConcentrateOld6194 6h ago
Even that was a hyper competitive 48-47
Belal went to lose every single round against Garry (30-27) & Bonfim (50-45)
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u/Status-Nose-7173 6h ago
... trouble with the groundgame?
Brother he's a walking punching bag. His fight with Prates? Yikes.
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u/NectaroftheGoats 4h ago
I've seen a lot of people say this but JDM won it by beating Belal Muhammad, who also lost it in his first defense... to JDM
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u/Conscious_Ladder_862 7h ago
I agree that he's a weaker champion, but I don't think he's worse than Jamahal Hill
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u/DarthHurricane 6h ago
DC is the actual GOAT
He’s someone kids can take example from. No scandals the size of Jones or Mcgregor types. Came in as an older man with a body disadvantage and still ragdolled most men.
His complete story from wrestling, to MMA, to the media now is what a GOAT is. He’s given more to the game than most and he came from small town Louisiana. GOAT is about the journey and the story, Daniel is the American Dream.
https://giphy.com/gifs/ncmi20meZyhgFKEDVX
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u/TheIciestCream 6h ago
If we add in their ability to be a role model then I'd still lean towards GSP but it does raise DC up a level.
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u/ejkang91 6h ago
Agreed. All of Jon jones wins are disqualified imo for him using steroids
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u/SukhdevR34 4h ago
Deluded. You're just going to act like he doesn't exist? Lol. Then take out GSP for allowing vaseline to be put on his body.
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u/Neither-Flow-9501 6h ago
Even if you disqualify Jones, DC is still not the goat lol. Go look into DCs career he's the most overrated fighter of all time
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u/ComfortableChemist84 6h ago
Pereira is massively overrated and has possibly the luckiest run in the UFC that started with the fluke knockout on Adesanya
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u/Gullible_Concert768 6h ago
whats lucky about his run lol
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 6h ago
Getting a dude who has literally never offensively grappled is quite a benefit. So is getting 3 title shots while fighting only 4 times.
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 3h ago
I still can’t decide if I think he’s truly overrated, but I will say this. He was pushed quickly to the Izzy fight which he was well in his way to losing even as a weight bully. And then he jumps up and gets pushed to the front of LHW which is pretty close to the worst and most thin it’s ever been. Then gets pushed straight up to HW and gets his shit rocked by Gane. I’m not saying he’s necessarily overrated, but when you look closer you see an accelerated timeline against pretty favorable matchups. That’s all I’m saying.
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u/P0ster_Nutbag 7h ago
A lot of the classic Light Heavyweight era is incredibly low level MMA, and was super popular because the Japanese crowd love freak show fights, which to them includes extremely large men fighting. This carried over to early UFC, and had little to do with high skill level.
Jones and Cormier mopped the floor with that era of fighter because they were some of the first modern, skilled MMA fighters at that weight division.
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u/SukhdevR34 4h ago
Well Griffin was clearly mostly heart and toughness but I think Evans and Machida were very skilled. Rampage and Shogun were past their best.
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u/RedFormanEMS 4h ago
Dominic Cruz's footwork is actually not that good and is simply repetitive. It's just most MMA coaches aren't good at preparing their fighters.
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u/ElDonCorleone_ 4h ago
Haven’t seen a lick of Pinas’ grappling and you guys are already crowning him lol
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u/LifeOfA_Don 4h ago
Lick of Pinas is some crazy word choice lmao
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u/No_Movie_5319 4h ago
Hopefully the me and the ol lady will do some grappling after a lick of pinas
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u/Ok-Tax-5792 7h ago
I don’t give a fuck what Jon jones or any other fight does outside the cage. I just wanna see good fights.
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u/P0ster_Nutbag 6h ago
Only caveat to this is taking PEDs in my opinion. Jones is fun for some tabloid nonsense, but him beating his wife or hit and running a pregnant lady has little to do with him inside the cage. PEDs have a lot more to do with inside the cage action and are worth scrutiny.
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u/babababronsky 7h ago
2026 is the best year of all time for UFC. White House was cinema. Ulberg had the craziest KO of all time. Tons of high level wars, barn burner brawls and highlight finishes. Plus legitimately 10-12 new fighters added who could be champion level.
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u/DCarfTheHomie89 6h ago
Anthony Johnson would be in LHW goat conversations if he was in his prime now instead of the DC/Jones era
He’s easily sleeping everyone in the current LHW division. Dude wasn’t ever even rocked until the last fight of his career.
Nick Diaz would have gone undefeated against the 4Horsemen of current LW Legends of Gaethje, Dustin, Charles, Max
BJ Penn is the most overrated fighter in the sports history
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u/pittnole1 4h ago
That BJ Penn take is hilariously wrong but is a very hot take. So great job answering the question.
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u/RunningShoes530 4h ago
I think what most people dont realize is that AJ very well may have beat Jones had they fought. Unfortunately Jones decided to hit and run and it partly feels like it was on purpose idk.
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u/akumatheman 1h ago
Nick diaz goes 0:4 against these but every fight besides Oliveira would be competitive
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u/FuentesingMyNickrn 42m ago
the whole khabib team is probably on steroids. Usman and Islam popped who knows what they're able to get away with.
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u/LordLucy666 7h ago edited 7h ago
jon jones is overrated. he fought like one time a year against mid level opponents and should have lost to reyes lol. his best win is a no contest cus he melted the piss cup. he spent most of career fighting natural middle weights and ducked anything at heavyweight for a decade. he’s a diva, emotionally stunted, and possibly a closeted homosexual who shouldn’t be allowed near little people
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u/BonillaDay23 6h ago
If anything Jon has one of the most impressive resumes you’ll ever see. Especially his early run as champ
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u/Gurthanthaclopsaye 6h ago
Honest question, when did you start watching the sport?
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u/Stallion_92 7h ago
Brendan Schaub is the best pound for pound fighter in the planet
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u/JakeNeedABreak 4h ago
Jones never beat DC legitimately.
The first fight USADA wasn’t around. Every fight after that, Jones popped for steroids. He clearly didn’t think he could beat DC clean, why? Because he didn’t do it the first time.
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u/Away_Positive_2346 3h ago
DC wasn't clean either so doesn't matter, Jones was always the better fighter of them
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u/MajesticFerret36 3h ago
Jones was always the better fighter
I would actually argue DC is the more SKILLED fighter. Jon height/range mogs the shit out of DC and literally everyone who he fights, and DC struggled to make weight at LHW, Jon refused to fight him at HW, and DC came into the UFC already quite old, fat, and past his physical prime.
Jones is literally terrified of fighting fighters who are comparable to him in height and size and some of his hardest fights were against opps comparable in this category (Reyes, who many think he lost too, and he struggled with Gustaffson as well).
DC has no real physical advantages over most of his opps. He's really strong, but so is every guy at HW. He hits pretty damn hard, but so does every guy at HW and they have longer arms than him.
He literally only wins because he's the "better fighter."
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u/SubMariner615 5h ago
I like the UFC better when it was about figuring out which style was the best, not which fighter had the biggest ego.
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u/A1snakesauce 7h ago edited 6h ago
Jon jones’ actions outside of the cage have nothing to do with his body of work, and he is still the GOAT despite not being a good dude.
Edit: having more replies than upvotes shows I responded to the post correctly lol
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u/vazqud1 6h ago
Yet still popped for PEDS multiple times immediately removing him from the conversation
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u/EOVA94 7h ago
Fiziev won his first fight against gaethje 2rounds to 1
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 6h ago
Didn't Gaethje eye poke in the first fight as well? That has to play a role. Strangely I don't think I ever saw that getting brought up frequently until his fight with Pimblett.
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u/Status-Nose-7173 6h ago
Stipe is overrated
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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 6h ago
I get it I guess? He's a great fighter and I think he is underrated, but maybe he hasn't looked as untouchable in fights as some others have.
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u/Status-Nose-7173 6h ago
He wouldn't have even had a run if Reem just went for GnP instead of the gilly.
He got TKO'd be Stefan Struve.
His wins over DC are good, but man he just kept spamming the body shot and DC refused to adjust or anything lol, more makes DC look bad than Stipe look great.
Idk, I just think heavyweight has been so shallow during his tenure. IMO he would not have faired as well against the older UFC HW guard in their primes, he did lose to JDS in 2014.
I don't think he sucks but he is in no world the HW GOAT like many say.
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u/Schantsinger 7h ago
Ian Garry seems like a friendly person with solid values. People initially hated him for being vegan and respecting his wife, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
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u/KingKongDuck 4h ago
Jon Jones lost fair and square to Hamill. He knew the rules and didn't follow them so he was disqualified. No asterisk, no "it doesn't count", no "the rule is stupid".
Rules are rules and it's the fighter's duty to follow them.
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u/Odd_Ravyn 5h ago
Women’s MMA is no different than men’s. An average women’s fight is almost identical to an average men’s fight and the bangers are great. The boring fights get a disproportionate level of negative attention and criticism because by and large the MMA community skews toward sexist attitudes.
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u/Maxiuss456 4h ago
Only in Reddit could people believe this lol The highs and lows are pretty similar but in average women's fights are a lot less active and the lack of power in their punches takes a huge amount of tension away from the fights
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u/Extreme_Today_984 4h ago
Women don't have the same atheticism as men, that's not conjecture, that's a fact. That being said, people should be able to enjoy a competition, which has lesser physical ability. Similar to somebody watching a HS basketball game, and enjoying it because they like watching two teams compete against each other.
WMMA is no different than the WNBA in this regard. You can watch both, and appreciate it for what it is.
That being said, if somebody DOESN'T like watching WMMA because it's not at the same speed, then fine. I don't think they deserve to be called sexist or a misogynist. Some people have limited time to watch sports, and they don't have the desire to watch a lesser version of men's MMA.
Finally, I will say this. WMMA has come a LONG way. They've been progressively getting better over the past few years. I think people should give them a little more of a chance.
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u/outofmaxx 4h ago
Absolutely true, they put on bangers all the time, but because the UFC mostly puts their fights on the prelims a lot of people dont see them, and then their title fights are boring because the top level competitors are too good to be stupid enough to get finished, just like a lot of men's title fights
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u/PeachesNcreamville 4h ago
Its most certainly different, women have less power so theres far less KOs, and the much smaller amount of female mma fighters means that the talent pool is quite as deep. I agree that Wmma isnt necessarily boring though, it can be quite fun
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u/FollowJazz 7h ago
Michael Bisping was not top-5 in his division during his "title reign", and they had to drag a 46 year old out of retirement to get him a defense.
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u/BonillaDay23 6h ago
Absolutely a right place at the right time situation. Idk that that’s a very hot take tho
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 3h ago
I still think it’s wild that he’s in the UFC Hall of Fame. I just don’t get it.
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u/dchurchwellbusiness 7h ago
Hokit will the next Champ and with time people will start to like him.
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u/brwnwzrd Dana Brown 7h ago
Sean O’Malley’s is immensely overrated and the UFC has fixed at least 2 fights in his favor.
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u/Sad-Cupcake6802 6h ago
Posting negative shit about O Malley has literally been the popular thing to do since his debut
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u/XXVariation 7h ago
Herb Dean is still one of the best refs we have. He's right that the majority of Gane's strikes on Pereira don't meet the UFC's definition for illegal strikes to the back of the head, and the ones that did happened while he couldn't see them.
He was already repositioning himself for a better view, he's not an omnipotent god, he can still only make calls based on what he actually sees with his two eyes.
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u/Spiritual_Spite3742 4h ago
Keith Peterson is the best ref. He’s always on his toes waiting for something to happen, meanwhile Herb is always sitting back on his heels dozing off. Before all that shit with Pereira even happened, he was already coined with the name Herb “If He dies he dies” Dean. A ref being popular let alone getting that nickname isn’t a good sign
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u/ivarshot69 1h ago
Nah, he let Chandler hit Oliveira in the back of the head 10+ times without even a warning, I think he is generally pretty lax about fouls
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u/UniqueDiamond7643 7h ago
DP has the most overrated fighter specifically on Reddit in terms of his resume & skillset
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u/long-dick-of-the-law 6h ago
I terms of resume the most overrated is khabib by a fucking mile
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u/silly_Emu47 6h ago
apparently, this is a hot take amongst the new crowd of MMA fans.
But there should be an MMA organization, preferably the UFC, that prioritizes skill above anything else.
I understand it’s sports entertainment. But keeping guys like Tai Tuivasa and Michael Chandler while cutting guys like MVP and then claiming the UFC is looking for the best, just doesn’t make sense.