r/vce • u/Apprehensive_Owl_471 • 1h ago
English ss prediction
rank 6-8 out of around 90, sac averages low 90s. Trial exam came back and I got two 8s and a 9 with not my best writing. What should I be aiming for / what is possible?
r/vce • u/bellals • Apr 30 '20
I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:
Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.
For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:
Greg 95%
Felix 77%
Chloe 64%
Daniel 60%
Elena 58%
Adam 52%
Ben 49%
On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:
Greg 92%
Chloe 67%
Daniel 65%
Elena 64%
Felix 63%
Adam 50%
Ben 40%
What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.
What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.
Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.
EDIT: another example for clarity
Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.
SACs:
Harry 60%
Isabel 58%
James 56%
Kylie 55%
Luke 54%
Molly 52%
Nathan 51%
Oscar 50%
EXAMS:
Harry 100%
James 99%
Nathan 98%
Oscar 97%
Molly 96%
Isabel 95%
Kylie 94%
Luke 93%
Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.
EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.
Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:
Annie 60%
Ben 58%
Charlie 55%
Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:
Ben 96%
Annie 94%
Charlie 90%
So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").
The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.
Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:
Ed 93%
Fred 90%
Greg 88%
Harry 60%
on the exams, the results are
Fred 95%
Greg 92%
Ed 87%
Harry 61%
In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.
Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:
Meg 95%
Noah 94%
Oscar 93%
Peter 90%
On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:
Meg 93%
Oscar 92%
Peter 91%
Noah 75%
Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.
One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.
As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.
EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰
r/vce • u/Apprehensive_Owl_471 • 1h ago
rank 6-8 out of around 90, sac averages low 90s. Trial exam came back and I got two 8s and a 9 with not my best writing. What should I be aiming for / what is possible?
r/vce • u/OkCartographer7837 • 46m ago
how do u guys plan ur essays? Like how do u guys make u have a thorough plan within 5 min. I feel like when i have a detailed plan i write better, but w the time pressure of the exam idt that will be very possible. Do u guys have any structures or approaches to planning each of the sections??
Thanks!!
r/vce • u/Lopsided_Lettuce247 • 15h ago
as i study, it keeps striking me that everything will be over. no more kind and supportive tutors, no more loving teachers, no more adorable and funny classmates i can see everyday, no more year 12 events. another chapter gone - just like that. and then uni, and then employment; unpredictable and alien territory. im also obviously terrified to see all of my effort and results culminated into numerical values.
r/vce • u/selfloathingGRT • 14h ago
i’ve fell into this horrible, week long slump that’s just been perpetuated by shame and task paralysis. for context, i am unmedicated. i have absolutely no motivation anymore, because i have been overfunctioning all year, up until this point i guess. i literally sit at my desk upon hours, and do NOTHING. i don’t scroll tiktok, i don’t watch movies; i just mindlessly switch between different tabs for some cheap dopamine. i’ve been told to go on rest days, but that’s lowk impossible for me. i cannot CANNOT rest at all. for me, it feels safer to procrastinate the task and have control over whether i want to do it or not opposed to taking a break completely. could any other adhders help me out with some advice on how to break out of this slump? i feel like my atar is just gone atp. and it’s bad because i’m highly ranked at a poor performing school, so i’d really be screwing people over. :(
r/vce • u/Small_Explorer7602 • 10h ago
Hi guys, has anyone used TSSM essay marking service for english? They claim to mark essays through a VCAA assessor so I was thinking of trying them out as the english exam is scarily close. I haven't had any of my work assessed by an examiner and my teacher doesn't want to read anymore essays as we had the "whole term" to ask her, which doesn't make any sense as personally I have seen the greatest improvement in my essays in these past couple of weeks.
Any advice would be appreciated 🙏
r/vce • u/Krishhhyyy • 13h ago
Hey guys, I have a house captaincy interview on Tuesday. Just wondering if anyone from any school who was successful in their school's respective leadership process would be willing to share what they said/did in the interview to end up with a positive outcome?
Basically, we had student voting, and the top 5 candidates were picked from that. I was picked to get an interview, but I am not the favourite to win (although I got the most amount of votes, but that doesn't matter as largely as it sounds)-- One of my friends is close with the teacher who decides. From those 5 students, the teachers (2 of them) decide the House Captains and the two vices.
Because I am not the favourite, I think I should say something that might make the two teachers think positively. Does anyone have any advice?
r/vce • u/Last-Worldliness6344 • 12h ago
Hey - title
can someone mark my section c on the gestalt 2024 vcaa piece??
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r/vce • u/According_Knee_7599 • 14h ago
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r/vce • u/Firm-Ad-8465 • 11h ago
im currently doing eal, economics, politics, gen maths and methods. i have done vietnamese first lan in yr 11 and got a 44 and sacrificed two maths as my 10% already, those scores are horrible.
my eal sacs are around 70ish, my cohort isn’t too strong. my politics sacs sits at 75 average and my economics sacs are at 78 average, idk my ranks for all subjects. will i be able to get 85 atar and 30ss for eal? please help a hopeless student out, tysmm
r/vce • u/YogurtclosetShort122 • 10h ago
i accidentally said one english word and i also couldnt answer one of the questions but tbf it wasn’t really what my chosen topic was
am i cooked
r/vce • u/Artistic_Put_1821 • 15h ago
as a y11 do 3/4 bus man and methods, spesh (hatred), english, accounting (a lot of the time zzzz) and eco, my fav subject has to be eco. at a lot of points it has got hard with like BOP and Terms of Trade etc and like with any subject the moment your forced to be assessed then it runis the enjoyment eco has still been really intresting.
I've done a few practice exams for my science subjects and i'm not getting the scores I want. Im averaging 65%, and ideally i want to have at least 80% to achieve my goal atar. my sacs have been pretty decent so I dont understand why I'm not improving too much. I even mark my exams thoroughly, by making a mistake bank with my answer, and ways to improve. Maybe i haven't been through enough exams? but that scares me because exams are approaching soon, and I dont know how quick i can complete anymore and learn from them. I haven't even done a proper trial exam for methods. I have tried, but i'm learning concepts as I go through which is really distressing. maths is definetly my weakest, but it is high scaling so i dont want to neglect it. i hate asking this because it sounds desperate, but i am - is there hope? What steps do I take from here on out
r/vce • u/hoolabumfoola • 16h ago
I've been struggling to write aa under timed conditions with the first paragraph taking up most of my time before I get into the flow of writing.
Should I make skeleton essays? Memorise sentences? I struggle with transcribing my ideas in timed conditions.
r/vce • u/Artistic_Put_1821 • 14h ago
I keep looking back at past bus man exams and keep seeing werid 4 mark Justify questions, i know justify as advanatges of something however im not sure were supposed to be doing 4 adv here or defining, can you guys help
r/vce • u/Impossible-Client654 • 1d ago
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Today was my last day. Just give me one more day, take me back to the start of Year 7.
Verdict: School fucking flies, specifically Year 12 - How are we in October? School is overhated.
r/vce • u/Trendy_Turtle_ • 20h ago
I have an 830-word persuasive oral for VCE General English that I need to memorize word for word by Monday.
How do you guys memorize a speech such a short amount of time?
r/vce • u/Upstairs-Soup2456 • 17h ago
meant 40 ss but it doesnt let me edit the title
im rank 7/80 for unit 3 with an average of 80%
im rank 1 or 2 unit 4 with an average of 86%
what exam mark do i need for a 40 study score.
thanks
r/vce • u/Green-Buddy1234 • 14h ago
For anyone that did eco, can you pls comment down ur sac averages for each unit and exam score (or just letter grades for all 3) and ur study score?
i’m seeing posts about how insanely competitive eco is and how difficult it is to get a decent study score despite above average sac scores,etc
thanks everyone
r/vce • u/Blaiseiscool • 21h ago
I do two English subjects (English and English language) and I literally cannot bring myself to write long texts for the subjects because I’m so burnt out and tired of it. Any advice appreciated, I’m so stuck.
r/vce • u/Advanced-Option-8119 • 10h ago
Hi everyone I hope yall are doiing well and I know how much people hate these study score estimate post but I really need some guidance on what exam score I should need. I’m aiming for roughly 42-43+ for my study score as a Year 11
I go to a public school with a median ss of 32
Unit 3
SAC 1 - 81%
SAC 2 - 76.5%
Unit 4
SAC 1 - 82%
SAC 2 - 90%
SAC 3 - 91%
Total throughout the year I ranked 2/38
Practice Exams - currently averaging around a 104-106/120
Thank you anyone who provides me any insight and I hope everyone stays healthy and well for this exam season . Good luck everyone
r/vce • u/Critical-Cricket2738 • 14h ago
My school doesn’t tell us our rank, but they said I am in the top 10 in about roughly 45 students?
I really need a high 30 for this + revs and I’m getting similar scores in that too
unit 3 - 86%
Unit 4 - 90%
r/vce • u/ThickComposer816 • 17h ago
just dump a bunch of oedipus topics for different themes pls!!!
r/vce • u/Repulsive_Usual_4079 • 15h ago
assuming your ranked in top 5 out of cohort for the sacs in a cohort around 100, what score will i need on exam for a 40+
Im averaging
U3 - around 65-70%
U4 - 80%
What scores in exam do i need, plz help!