âEconomic collapseâ doesnât force you to sell children. Why are we putting on kid gloves when talking about this shit? Itâs barbarism. Revolting cultural practices that the civilized world has done away with
Nobody's buying older men though, or their services as mentioned in the video, so then what? keep in mind theres other children to feed too. i dont have a good solution, just saying, selling yourself is a fantasy
There are plenty of poor countries that don't normalize child marriages. Unfortunately, they need to want the change, and under the Taliban, that's definitely not going to happen.
"Hello sir, we're doing a segment on child marriage that will be broadcast hundreds of millions of people across the globe, just be aware you're going to look like a complete piece of shit. You don't mind if we bring cameras do you?"
Yeah but he doesnt see it as wrong so why would he care? I remember seeing videos of them asking boys if they knew why Americans were in Afghanistan and they said no we donât know why the Americans are here and whatâs Afghanistan? They are so secluded they werenât aware what country they even live in
I donât think these men are really THAT upset about it. I mean, I donât think itâs their first choice and I think they feel like they need to do it. But none of them really look like theyâre devastated by it. I think itâs normalized in their culture
The crocodile tears some people are trying to spin as desperation or remorse is infuriating as well. These so called fathers don't give a shit, they just want their next fix at the cost of what they consider a useless piece of property they will only feed and house as an investment.
People go on and on about poverty, whether the parents or the religion are to blame, what the poor children have done to deserve this, and so on and so forth.
But there's ONE thing that NEVER seems to come up in these debates: Who is buying these girls? Why does nobody ever talk about these oh-so-respectable "customers"?
I mean, in the video we see a NINE-YEAR-OLD(!) GIRL who looks even younger because of malnutrition, putting on lipstick! What kind of man in his right mind BUYS a little girl like that?! As if she were a used car or a coffee machine?!
The media constantly feature interviews with desperate fathers claiming they had no other choice, but HELLO?!
Where the hell is all this enormous demand coming from?! And if everyone is supposedly so desperately poor, where are all these customers with money to spare coming from?!
Polygamy is permitted in Afghanistan. No doubt some of these old men are just straight pedos and are using the child marriage loophole to legalize abuse that would be illegal everywhere else. But I imagine what's really happening is that these families are selling their children into slavery as third and fourth "wives" to do house work. Selling children to wealthier families where they will have a chance of being fed, clothed, and housed with the understanding that they'll be put to work as second class members of the household is a thing still in a lot of places--it happens here in the states when families send their children to live with distant relatives, or outright being sold like during the Great Depression. Still terrible, but I like to think the world hasn't turned a blind eye to blantant sexual abuse of minors.
A really good point and I agree. The parents shouldn't be off the hook. They decided to have kids that they couldn't take care off and that poor girl has to suffer.
But the people buying these young girls are disgusting. The guy at his age marrying a 9 Yr old...I wonder where he got that idea.
This hurts to watch.
Irony is, if some third nation were to come and remove the Taliban and try changing this, the father would be out there fighting with Taliban. And if he did have enough money he would not be against this himself.
This is standard business for much of the middle east. Has nothing to do with new poverty. They've been doing this well before the USA existed as a country.
I remember when the Taliban first took back over there was a British vlogger there and he went to the dumpster behind the local girls school and it was full of textbooks on feminism and gender identity those progressive ideas were literally thrown in trash the second they took over.
Afghanistan was a socialist country (albeit the government was not very effective or popular bc they tried to secularize too quickly) was modernizing before america started funding the Mujahideen.
Interesting that theyâre framing it this way when theyâve been selling their daughters for centuries under the guise of âarranged marriagesâ. This is nothing new and itâll never stop.
Yeah I feel like theyâre at least 150 years behind as far as human rights go.
I donât know how someone could sell their daughter knowing damn well what horrors await. Why doesnât dad go out and suck D on the gay black market for money? That girl didnât ask to be born, she shouldnât be the familyâs lifeline for food. Starving is better than doing that to your own child. Selfish troglodytes
When I was over there, the army's public affairs office had a sign for quick reference, listing the compensation paid out for loss of life and property. I don't recall the amounts, but the order went like this:
The sadistic truth. They donât want women who have feelings, they want to control a little girl from the moment she can count to 10. They already can get women by just buying or forcefully taking them, but that ainât enough for their sadistic desires.
There's an amazing song from the 2000s called "what would you do" it goes 'what would you do if your son was at home cryin all alone on the bedroom floor and he's hungry and the only way to feed him is to sleep with a man for a little bit of money". This song shamed the woman for sleeping with guys to support her son.. I think most mothers would choose that over what they're doing in afghanistan, it's incomprehensible!
Many women sell themselves to keep their families fed. Some are forced into it by their partners. I don't think Afghan women have the choice to sell themselves for their kids because they don't have a lot of self agency.
why would you use the word âworseâ? Why would you compare these two situations?. At the end of the day these little boys and girls are being abused.
Mohammed married a 6-year-old, consummated that marriage when she was 9, and had to clear her of charges of adultery when she was 13 and got left behind on accident and a boy went bavk for her.
Culture is fine, religion definitely isn't. He also slept with his adopted son's wife.
Selling children isn't actually that uncommon historically during times of economic devestation. For example in America, 1948. It's tragic and wrong of course, and a symptom of the economy.
Do you know anything about the history of Afghanistan? Afghanistan had total gender equality, banned forced marriages, had a minimum age for marriage, and mandated that education and literacy be provided to all girls in addition to boys.
Then the US directly funneled billions and billions of dollars into the Mujahideen, a religious extremist far-right authoritarian group that would fight back against Russia. Once the Mujahideen won, thatâs when it became an Islamic Republic where shit like this happens.
In other words: THE US INTENTIONALLY MADE AFGHANISTAN THIS WAY and destroyed decades of progress. They are still fucked up to this day because of our meddling.
I don't agree with the racists in here either, but Russia began influence campaigns before the US became involved and then Russia invaded destroying the infrastructure of the country and making it the most mined country in the worldÂ
Do you know the biggest complaint Afghans had about that period and after? It's that the US abandoned them after Russia left. They wanted our support against Russia and they wanted us to help them after.Â
And did you know that the Afghans were spilt pretty evenly about whether they wanted the US to stay in 2021? And that's with women being oppressed in polls.Â
Women in Afghanistan were going to school and had growing rights for the 20 years the US was there. It's not the United States' fault that religious extremists have control of Afghanistan. The US trained the Afghans for two decades and they decided to hand the country back to religious extremists with almost no resistance after the withdrawal.
Letâs be honest here. The progress you talk about here was sadly prevalent among the elites and those living in big cities. To say the entire practiced gender equality and all the other stuff is just plain wrong. The American intervention didnât create these practices.
Progress never begins with the small folk. French revolution was so inefficient they had to do it three times up to the 19th century ending with the commune.
Fucking hell.. Why can't I buy these girls, get them in a decent school and give them a normal life. I have the money and the means. But this is illegal and you can't move a child across borders...
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Putting aside all the left wing/right wing political nonsense...
The west spent 20 years training and equipping the Afghan army to be able to defeat the Taliban.
Unfortunately, the Afghan army dropped their weapons and ran away.
This is what happens when there are no men brave enough to stand up and fight for Western civilization. Their country has been retaken by Islamic extremists. This leads to poverty and more horrors like we see in this video.
EDIT: I'm sure there were brave men in the Afghan army but not enough and nobody capable of providing leadership. At some point the people have to take responsibility for their own country.
They handed over the country in one evening with barely a shot fired despite billions in weaponry decades of training higher numbers and fortified positions
The afghan police acted more as the military force where I was. We never used the afghan army. They were unreliable and terrible soldiers. The police were brave but unfortunately couldnât have held the Taliban themselves.
exactly. read the Afghanistan papers. these "men" got training and jobs and support, everything they needed, but they got high and stole fuel and whatever else instead. 20 years these women were able to live a decent life and have jobs and education, the men didn't care enough to fight for it. this is the country they want
What I find surprising is that anyone was surprised. It's what I expected from the minute we occupied the place. The history of Afghanistan is pretty clear. I remember from relatively early on in Obama's tenure, the US tried to get Karzai to sign up for certain anti corruption measures and he refused - I think bc it would have hurt him and his family.
And that was the exit ramp Obama should have taken. "Not gonna ask American kids to die for a corrupt regime." Etc. Instead we kept supporting Karzai's corrupt ass. No... Stupid.
Nation building is incredibly futile and stupid. The Bush administration genuinely believed Iraq would be like post WWII Germany. Duh, no. Germany was already a nation that simply needed a reset. Iraq, Afghanistan - countries but not nations (Iraq, arguably, and likely an oversimplification, three nations - Sunni, Shia, Kurd. Afghanistan, more complicated still).
Exactly this, the second they had to fight they shit themselves and ran away, they're cowards and now others are suffering for their cowardice, we tried, two decades we tried.
The people don't even thank us for what was done to try and help.
Stupid and woefully short on context and facts. The Afghan militaryâs 2021 collapse wasn't simply a case of soldiers being âcowardsâ: it reflected deep, endemic corruption, weak political legitimacy, U.S-built dependence on U.S. airpower and contractors, supply and pay failures, and the nearly instant unraveling of command after the U.S. withdrawal and Taliban negotiations without the Afghan government. It's really misleading to frame the war as Afghans refusing to âfight for Western civilization,â since Afghan forces suffered tens of thousands of combat deaths over two decades while fighting primarily for their own government and communities, not for a Western ideological project. I was there as an advisor. Talk all the ignorant shit you want though.
US states failed to ban child marriages multiple timesÂ
Notably this oneÂ
"I agree that protecting the well-being, dignity, and freedom of minors is vital, but the severe bar this bill creates is not necessary to address the concerns voiced by the billâs proponents and does not comport with the sensibilities and, in some cases, the religious customs, of the people of this State,â Christie said in his veto message.
No lol it hasn't been normal in the whole western world for basically centuries. Problem wasn't normal in a shitton of other regions as well but I don't know about them so I won't speak.
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u/NicePsy-OpBro 6h ago
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