r/worldnews • u/Neptun_11 • 12h ago
Russia/Ukraine Russia and US May Announce Joint Data Center Projects, Kremlin Envoy Says
https://united24media.com/world/russia-and-us-may-announce-joint-data-center-projects-kremlin-envoy-says-235371.7k
u/majkkali 11h ago
This is getting out of hand. Wtf is US doing?!?!?
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u/CowPuzzleheaded6602 10h ago
Becoming a vasall state LOL
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u/Alt4816 7h ago edited 6h ago
To a less wealthy country with a smaller population and weaker military.
It will be studied how well Russia found and targeted the US's biggest weakness, its voters.
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u/BlackwingF91 10h ago
Us Americans don't even know either. Sounds like he is surrendering us to Russia though
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 9h ago
He surrendered to Russia when they compromised him with shell companies and hookers.
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u/levypantsfactory 8h ago
I don’t think they are blackmailing him. I think they gave him money when no US bank would touch him and he’ll always love them for that and hate the US. My dad loves Trump and doesn’t like Russia at all, but he’ll simultaneously watch Trump roll over for Russia and believe that’s a hoax. The US media has trained its citizens well. We are fucked.
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u/Dot_1X 10h ago
We have a Russian asset in the white house. What do you expect?
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u/Tromperri 12h ago
No doubt Trump is a russian asset.
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u/ijustneedaccess 12h ago edited 12h ago
Hillary Clinton nailed it on this issue, 9 years ago: https://youtu.be/VVrDjJixbSc
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u/Necessary-Length3351 12h ago
You don't need to like Clinton to be able to admit that she was 100% right on Trump and his basket of deplorables.
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u/DazDaSpazz 9h ago
Actually she was only half right. She said only half of Trump supporters could be put in the basket of deplorables.
As it turns out, 100% of Trump supporters can go in that basket.
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u/UranusIsPissy 7h ago
Disagreeing with things because you don't like someone who said them is a big problem in the world RN. Even Trump was probably at least close to right once (TikTok), but he went back on it.
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u/OffalSmorgasbord 9h ago edited 9h ago
That 30% of Americans that have zero tolerance for complexity or analysis will simply state this is still undetermined. This is where they have cognitive lock and claim Trump is playing 4D chess because it's far easier than thinking. "We don't have ALL the information so we have to trust him." Followed by some 'borh sides' statement.
The power in FoxNews and Russian/Foreign social media and traditional media manipulation isn't that any of those things convince their disinformation consumers of something, it's that they convince them to believe nothing yet put all of their trust in a cohort.
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u/Lonescu 11h ago
So many of the comments on that video have aged like milk.
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u/Neethis 9h ago
What gets me most are the comments from 7-8 years ago saying "wow she was right about him this is crazy" and then remembering that Americans voted him back in just two years ago...
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u/squashua 10h ago
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.
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u/DaenakinSkygaryen 7h ago
Also, literally the next day, Russia hacked the DNC and stole the emails, exactly like Trump asked them to. They then released them in a slow drip over the next few months the, to cause maximum damage to Hillary's campaign.
(They also hacked the RNC around the same time, but they never released any of the emails they stole from them. Many people suspect it's because they used those emails to balckmail the GOP into doing their bidding....)
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u/SnooHesitations3709 9h ago
I had doubts a couple years ago about this but now I have no doubt he is a Russian agent. All you have to do is look at his actions towards the U.S. allies and how good he treats America's enemies.
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u/Rhianna83 11h ago
Every fucking day it is something new. Trump is a Russian asset and our Congress who can impeach and remove does nothing.
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u/Tresach 11h ago
Becauae the Republican Party is fully bought and paid for by Russia. They won the cold war, it just took time for the poison to take effect.
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u/sol-green 12h ago
Russian data centers in US to hack every US system and spam disinformation keeping GOP/Putin in control. Much easier to do from within the country. FBI and CIA along with top Trump sycophants all visited Russia. Who knew it was so easy to destroy USA because half the population are truly the dumbest racists.
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u/Alikont 9h ago
Dugin knew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#HeroSection?wprov=sfla1
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9]
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u/fudgemental 12h ago
This. Not cooperating on military tech, or even nuclear tech, fucking DATA CENTRES. You thought funding Israel was bad? Get ready to begin funding the Russian war machine and expansion into EU with your taxes.
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u/Plenty_Beautiful_547 12h ago
Seriously, America what is it going to take before you realize that the president is a Russian asset and that you need to do something?
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u/zoonyc2047 12h ago
"I rather be a Russian than a Democrat".... I've read that in a few shirts some Americans were wearing during a trump campaign....and that says it all
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u/youseesb 11h ago
When he said "I love the poorly educated" this is why.
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u/MalavethMorningrise 9h ago
It is really stupid. Politics was failing, religion was diminishing. So they merged the two concepts aparently... I have a MAGA cousin that made it clear to me. Democrats are the enemy... like biblically or something... and donald trump is their savior from the democrats, which are the 'evil' in the world.. satan/the adversary, you see, is a democrat... and the words democrat and democracy are verry similar, huh, aint that suspicious! ... and democrats want democracy... therefor... democracy must also be bad/evil. Full of wicked people who want rights for people who dont deserve them.
Lets put lead in our water and plastic, heavy metals, and pesticides in our food...drink contaminated water and dirty air, plus a little nuclear fallout..after a few generations nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen? Right?
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u/Oerthling 10h ago
Fox News damaged Republican brains salivating about "manly" Putin riding topless on a horse and comparing that to appropriately clothed Obama on a bike.
First Fox News, later complemented by Facebook and X - the main engine destroying the US from within and eventually now causing the downfall of the US.
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u/rafale3327 10h ago
What ever happened to "better dead than Red" ?
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u/glacierre2 9h ago
That was when Russians were red (communists), now that they are post capitalist feudal lords they are obviously cool for republican eyes.
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u/coconutpiecrust 10h ago
Yep. And if They get cheaper gas, then who cares if Russia kills and tortures some Ukrainians?! They probably deserve it anyway. /s
But this is seriously how immoral and depraved Trump’s base is. Any evil is OK, as long as it’s not done to them.
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u/canspop 10h ago
And if They get cheaper gas,
Even that's nonsense. I'm finding several reports similar
“Americans have now spent $135 billion more on gasoline and diesel purchases since March 1 than the same period last year,” Patrick De Haan, the head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy, wrote Friday on the social platform X.
Maybe those gas prices just aren't high enough yet?
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u/Few-Bass4238 9h ago edited 9h ago
Trump has officially switched his stance to: "High oil prices are good because oil companies are making a killing"
If that's the message right before midterms, RIP normal gas prices.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-waves-off-high-oil-220831571.html
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u/sepltbadwy 10h ago
It’s not as if we can treat this as a partnership. In just one Presidency, America now IS Russia. Election fraud, state media, stormtroopers, gross corruption, poorer people more oligarchs, no justice system. Wow.
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u/Any-Celery3048 7h ago
“America now is Russia”.
When a Russian official told Putin they should try and get the state of Alaska back Putin scolded him for his lack of ambition.
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u/fuzzybasketball 10h ago
Any evil is ENCOURAGED if it isn't done to them. ftfy
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u/coconutpiecrust 10h ago
Yep. Go hurt someone, as long as I stand to benefit in some way!
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u/finite_turtles 9h ago
They view someone else being hurt as a benefit to themselves. Zero sum view of the world.
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u/alghiorso 9h ago
I was watching the good liars interviewing magats in Alaska. It struck me that these people are straight up brainwashed. Most of them could not articulate a single thing that Trump had done for them yet they firmly believed he was doing so many great things for them. At least one mentioned that he'd saved us from Muslims who wanted to behead us.
Trump derangement syndrome is real - it's just the opposite of what they believe. Trump is simultaneously fixing everything, but because nothing is getting fixed, it just means Trump is powerless to fix anything. It's a paradox to us, but to them it doesn't matter. They just blindly believe
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u/MongoBongoTown 4h ago
Not only do they think he's done a great job, they think he is unquestionably the best president of all time.
It's legitimately insane.
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u/Nick85er 10h ago
They infiltrated the GOP over decades, and manipulated the messaging to the point where we heard madness like this.
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u/Dajo05 11h ago edited 7h ago
I just saw a video of a farmer who has voted for him twice. The guy is about to go out of business but is "on the fence" about voting against Trump in the mid terms. These people are lost.
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u/thefocusissharp 9h ago
They will vote, what about you? Not just you, but the reader as well. Vote.
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u/Tabbyredcat 11h ago
"On the fence" LMAO
Oh well, there was this guy called Charles Darwin that warned us these kind of things would happen occasionally
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u/The_Corvair 7h ago
These people are lost.
Yeah. If you take a step back, and look at their attitude towards voting (completely obedience to "their" party even if causes them harm on an untold level to the point they'd rather go under than make their cross five centimeters up or down), they are not fit to actually participate in a democracy. Because democracy means cooperation, informed choice-making, and being able to change your position when it's become untenable. These people are not democratically-minded, self-actualized citizens, they're kings-true loyalists.
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u/Funk5oulBrother 12h ago
No it’s only communism when Joe Biden and Obama do it.
When trump literally advocates for war crimes and aligns America with its historic enemies to make just himself richer it’s because “America’s great”
Americans are purely all bark and no bite. Completely subdued people.
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u/CheeseJokes 12h ago edited 12h ago
The issue is that the right is fully pushing that as a good thing. Which some people on the right are actually believing. The bots continue to spread misinformation about Ukraine and Russia. Either bots, or people who believe bots, are fully on board. They think helping Ukraine is a bad thing. They think Ukraine is just pocketing the money instead of fighting for their very existence. Trump is actively choosing Putin's profit over sovereignty of the country that was attacked to seek profit. Wild timeline. I just watched Hail Mary and it was great, but it made me realize... No one is coming to save us.
Edit: "Project Hail Mary" my bad.
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u/Tabbyredcat 12h ago
Ok, let's say that all the incredibly obvious lies about Ukraine were true. That they're nazis, that Zelenskyy is keeping all the money for himself, that they started the war. Why not just not help Ukraine? Why is he giving oxygen to a country that is providing intel and other resources to a country the US is at war with?
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u/stanbright 11h ago
What if Russia is behind the reelection of Trump. What if those datacenters are what will keep Trump (and Musk) in power?
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u/fancywaterbits 10h ago
This, plus such a collaboration will be used to force Ukraine into stopping attacks on russian datacenters claiming these are actually owned/leased by the US
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u/romulus1991 11h ago
Because Trump doesn't care about the US. His loyalties are to himself and his allies. All his decisions are perfectly understandable when you see his actions through the lens of a bought and paid for, easily manipulated, dim witted traitor to his country.
But given plenty of the US population seem perfectly content with the traitor class running their nation and selling them out to their greatest geopolitical rival, there's not really anything the rest of the world can do.
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u/Tabbyredcat 11h ago
He has to be plotting something for the midterms, because I doubt his plan to stay in power consists exclusively of US Americans being ok with being ruled by a traitor. Lately he's almost been campaigning for the Democrats.
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u/Gloomfang_ 12h ago
When will you realize that people that vote for Trump want the US to turn into Russia?
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u/awam0ri 11h ago
I don’t think most of them do. I think they’re just in a cult and it’s whatever the consensus is. 99% of the time whatever the leadership says goes. There have been a few instances where even his minions rebel though and so a lot of what he does is testing the water. It’s 1984 all over again. If he turned around and announced we’ve always been at war with Japan there would be 30% of the us nodding their head.
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u/OfficeSalamander 7h ago edited 6h ago
If he turned around and announced we’ve always been at war with Japan there would be 30% of the us nodding their head.
I mean he essentially did this with Canada, historically one of, if not our closest ally, and look at how many Americans are anti-Canada now
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u/lcrtangls 12h ago
All the MAGA dreg wants is to coagulate into a mass for safety and a sense of superiority. They have no special feelings for Russia yet, but they'll develop them if need be. They've proven time and time again that anything goes. Don't think of them as individuals.
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u/spongebobisha 11h ago
The American judiciary has proven itself to be absolutely powerless to stop the executive. It’s a giant farce is what they have. The president has dictatorial level powers.
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u/Dizno311 8h ago
It's worse than that. The Republicans packed the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS is all in on the unitary executive. They want a dictator too. It is all corruption.
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u/c-strange17 11h ago
And going forward, that’s how the world will treat them. If any agreement made with the US can be torn up at a moments notice, no one will want to do business with them.
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u/haversack77 11h ago
Trump has belatedly lost America the Cold War. All that bullshit for decades and then he caves in to the very next KGB trained dictator that comes along.
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u/Fancy-Appelboor8945 11h ago
Self reflection is hard if you've been brainwashed believing you are exceptional compared to other countries your entire life.
Most Americans never leave this bubble in their entire lives.
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u/black_metronome 10h ago
The white American majority who voted for this shit and support him still aren't inconvenienced enough to care. They're more worried about hurting transgender people and keeping Black and Brown Americans brutalized and subjugated, which Trump has done.
Basically, they know Trump is a criminal pedophile Russian asset, but he's hurting the people they've been programmed to hate so they are fine with all of this even if their quality of life goes to hell.
The rest of us are just trying to survive and not get murdered or kidnapped by his secret police.
That's the sad reality. And unfortunately, Trump's terror will be spreading to Europe next as he is now in full open alliance with Russia, and American military bases are right within your borders.
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u/physicsking 10h ago
It is too late. There is a whole lot of people that rather us become part of Russia than admit there made a poor vote.
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u/Count_Craicula 11h ago
This is why the rest of the world think Americans are so dumb.
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u/AscendedViking7 12h ago
....Are you fucking serious...?
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u/Antimus 12h ago
Of course he is, that means next time Ukraine attack Russia, Trump can say they're attacking US interests and will join the war on Russia's side.
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u/Prus1s 11h ago
I don’t think they’d join another war, would they?! At least that would not enact any NATO acts if they start it themselves 😄
But I guess the NATO allience is all but done with US, they are now part of the Russia whatever it was called…
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u/SatchSaysPlay 12h ago
Makes sense , far easier to sell your US secrets if all you need to do is grant access to the files on your shared servers.
The USA is cooked, they're done for, downhill rapidly from here
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u/NativeMasshole 11h ago
It's worse than that: This is coming immediately after Ukraine's bombing of Russian data centers have slowed their social engineering propaganda bot traffic. They want a secure line to manipulate our population.
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u/CaptainPolaroid 9h ago
It can be even worse. And more direct than 'spying'. Let's say hypothetically these get built on Russian soil. And now imagine a country like Ukraine attacks one of these centers.. the US would essentially be forced to protect their foreign interests..
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u/Geweldige_Erik 8h ago
Yes, they don't even have to build new ones, just say the ones that are already there are now part of this program. I expect they will do this in a couple of days. The right really didn't like the bombing of the datacentres.
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u/shayne_2189 12h ago
From here? As an outsider looking in it seems to be have been going downhill for quite a while.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fee7483 9h ago
Grew up here, born in the 80s and I’ve been watching it go downhill the whole time. 🙃😢
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u/Casual_Frontpager 11h ago
If they open up to Russia they will be, yes. Seems to me that sitting this one out to respect the democratic process gets more and more unrealistic as the country is subverted by the people in power. That can never be accepted!
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u/blackberu 12h ago
As a European, this feels like an agressive military alliance in the making.
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u/BankDetails1234 10h ago
The same weakness in America that keeps Trump in office in the same weakness that will keep them harmless.
They’re too soft and selfish for large scale war.
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u/PM_POLITICAL_BELIEFS 9h ago
As a country, the US has barely ever seen 20 years without war in it's history.
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u/passerby4830 8h ago
Yes against vastly weaker opponents (on paper). At least the last 80 years. Full scale world war? That's not going to be fun for anyone.
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u/imatinyleopard 8h ago
Wars are opportunities for Trump to make money. Not for the country, but for himself. He’s built his bunker, is building more and loves padding his personal bank account. He’s got bloodlusty Hefseth at his side.
It’s dangerous to underestimate his desire for war. He’s verbally picked on “weaker” countries and “stronger” countries alike because he doesn’t give a shit.
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u/Anderrrrr 10h ago edited 9h ago
I am waiting for America to try attack/seize Greenland & Canada and then all bets are off.
The gloves are off.
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u/OkPrinciple37 12h ago
A US president this stupid has to be beyond Putin’s wildest wet dreams.
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u/Ok_Resolution_5622 11h ago
Republicans may have legitimately destroyed this country
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u/totallyRebb 9h ago
So .. does this put US citizens lives at risk, because now Russia might have access to the data collected about them ?
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u/Looktoyourleft_1 9h ago
Absolutely, but Trump got some money so it's a sacrifice he's willing to make.
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u/Infinite_Second6928 9h ago
That train has passed already. DOGE already sent all the juicy data over to them.
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u/TheShepardOfficial 11h ago
Putin owns the US and everyone seems fine with it. When are the Americans standing up against this.
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u/Thebritishlion 11h ago
So like, let's assume the Dems win in 2028 and everything goes as normal
Does the new president cancel deals like this and all the other stupid shit Trump immediately? Or do they keep it going and just not make any more deals?
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u/5GCovidInjection 11h ago
This should be a sign that Trump fully intends to cancel the elections, dismantle the Supreme Court (but keep a few military courts active) and remain in office indefinitely.
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u/Pm_Me_Ur_Husker_TDs 9h ago
It’s been practiced and Mnuchin is on the BoD. Simulated kill ware and the result were cancelled elections and declaration of martial law—
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u/Ok-Shopping-5008 11h ago
Bold of you to assume Dems will win with all of fuckery going on atm
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u/CalligraphyCurls 4h ago
If the dems lose this election cycle, I will be 100% convinced that the elections are rigged. There’s no way any sort of majority is looking around and going “yeah, I want more of this”.
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u/NonGeneriComplaint 10h ago
Trump and his buddies are legit scared running campaign adds. When you read about how trump tried to overturn the other elections (and didnt go to jail) you do get the sense how bad at it they are and how hard it would be on a massive scale.
Thats why they use other methods like throwing away ballots to restrict voting
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u/frozenfriedchicken 7h ago
what the actual fuck is my country doing
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u/Miserable-Promise454 6h ago
Your citizens elected an extremely obvious Russian agent and are in a coup. I hope the 2024 election was not your last, like Trump promised it would be.
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u/frozenfriedchicken 6h ago
I know I will never see the world like the days before 911. I never expected this though 15 years later with Trump getting into politics and now this bullshit 25 years later.
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u/Fichtenwald 11h ago
Russia is currently destroying the facilities of US companies in Ukraine. No complaint from the US. But when UKR destroys Russian data centers: Criticism and ah, yes, the US will join Russian data center projects in the future...
Trump gets most support from Russian bots, it is clear that he supports them in return...
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u/Illustrious-Syrup509 10h ago
The more Ukraine brings Russia closer to collapse, the more pressure Putin seems to be exerting on Trump. It’s like a mafia state.
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u/GarryLeny 12h ago
People need to realise that America is now an enemy of Europe.
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u/jrabion24 7h ago
How is he not branded a traitor by America? What the hell are Americans even thinking man. This is mad
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u/SkilledButton 11h ago
I wonder how republicans would react if in another timeline a democrat president did this...
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u/Minions-overlord 11h ago
Lol like most shit they would go mental. But when the pedo pumpkin does it its "harder daddy"
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u/SkilledButton 11h ago
The hypocrisy and moving goalposts is what gets me. They would absolutely lose their shit, but because the orange man does it, they all think it's great. Completely brainwashed, to an embarrassing level.
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u/Johnnygunnz 11h ago edited 10h ago
That's why I've grown to generally disregard anything a Republican complains about these days. They completely lack self-awareness and integrity while being the absolute worst hypocrites on Earth.
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u/umm_like_totes 9h ago
If Trump was president as a democrat he would have had like 20 assassination attempts by now.
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u/Moikee 12h ago
Regardless of if this is true, anyone who believes US isn’t allied with Russia at this point is delusional. The people may not be, but this current administration absolutely is.
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u/f23n09fnu0w 4h ago
For all the talk Americans give about being free and armed to the teeth, it turns out they just totally lack a spine. It's amazing to watch.
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u/neil_thatAss_bison 12h ago
Americans have been berating the Russian people for not standing up to Putin yet they see this stuff for years and say ”what can we do?”
Hypocrites
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u/Real_Breakfast_6188 11h ago
'after he is gone' is a sentence I read a lot. They decided they will just wait it out. If my house is on fire I am not waiting for the rain
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u/UncannyStoic 11h ago
They believe the man who sent his supporters to attack the Capitol on Jan 6 and then pardoned them all, will go quietly this time? HA HA HA HAAA HAA
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u/RollingDownTheHills 9h ago
For the average American, the idea of "freedom" mostly seems to yelling "USA" and wearing a flag around their back. They're docile.
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u/FastActinTenactin 10h ago
Jesus fucking Christ, WAKE THE FUCK UP, MAGA. How can you continue to deny that Trump is a Russian stooge?!
Russia is our ENEMY. Their data centers are BOT FARMS that have caused insane harm to our country and other countries all over the world.
Get your fucking heads out of your asses.
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u/H_VanPattersonPatton 12h ago
The American people's worst enemies are in the White House and they don't seem to mind.
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u/EnigmaMachine08 7h ago
They want this because Ukraine is targeting data centers now too. Musk and the Trump administration both desperately need those online bot armies to stay in power, so they can stay out of prison.
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u/SnooWoofers966 9h ago
I’d be legitimately so ashamed to be American at this point.
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u/SilverRaspberri 12h ago
Well thats one way to ensure everyone in the west is fed constant far-right propaganda.
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u/poookie9 12h ago
And if Ukraine attacks these assets it will be considered attack against the US. They're trying to do the same with oil at the moment.
The strait of Hormuz is kept closed to squeeze EU etc and justify buying Russian oil and make Ukraine look like the bad guys.
In other words just another tuesday. Russians and their assets just doing their job.
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u/MrZakius 11h ago
Why Americans are not protesting?
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u/SmokingTheBear 10h ago edited 9h ago
I don't think the average American is aware of any of this.
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u/peskypedaler 8h ago
Oh, better believe It's not gonna be covered on the nightly news that's for sure! It won't be mentioned on fox or Newsmax either. Trump goons now own the media. People outside the US largely don't know/understand this. It's a big part of what we're fighting here.
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u/Tsakax 8h ago
The news is to busy talking about how bad Adbul is gonna be trying to give everyone healthcare
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u/TheorySudden5996 9h ago
Watch Human Centipede and realize all MAGA would happily be the end.
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u/Creepy-Row-1379 9h ago
We’re being overwhelmed by daily happenings and a militarized police force made up of redneck cowboy cops that receive no consequences for killing protestors
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u/senitelfriend 10h ago
It's time for EU to recognize the alignment and start introducing US sanctions just like it does with NK and Russia.
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u/Unable_Character2410 11h ago
Ah yes, the US forming an alliance with a trustworthy partner.
What’s next? A security pact with fucking North Korea?
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u/seasix732 12h ago
I'm sure this "joint" data center agreement will also cover existing data centers in Russia... therefore if Ukraine attacks them Trump will view it as attack on US.
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u/eagoldman 6h ago
Putin has done what Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev could not; de-fang the United States. He did it buy purchasing Trump and the Republican party. The Democrats are a collection of fuck ups but they are not owned by Putin. Vote a straight Democratic ticket in every election.
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u/Uncle_Paul_Hargis 5h ago
As an American, I think I can speak for all of us when I say, “wtf?”
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u/alphagettijoe 8h ago
Americans endured the Cold War, countless school shootings and gunshot accidents to keep the firearms to depose a tyrant, then just casually accept a literal Russian king.
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u/infest3d 11h ago
America will never be trusted again. I really hope the US citizens do the right thing Nov 3. For those who didn't vote and for those who voted for Trump look at the consequences world wide. Please do not be selfish and let this traitorous corrupt president do any more damage. Please.
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u/Substantial-Fun9958 12h ago
How the fuck did the US just go from Russia's biggest adversary to suddenly being close friends?
ALL BECAUSE of a single change in one president's mind?
I swear after this whole debacle when Trump is finally gone, the whole world better rethink this idea of a democracy model. All the US has done is now proven how stupid and flawed democracy is as a political tool when all is needed is one idiot to destroy an entire country in an instant.
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u/Groentekroket 11h ago
All the US has done is now proven how stupid and flawed democracy is as a political tool when all is needed is one idiot to destroy an entire country in an instant
The US's implementation of democracy. There is a reason the US is classified as a "flawed democracy". This shit is much less likely to happen in one of the 34 democracies with a higher rank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
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u/fivetengenius 10h ago
IMO this is the reason after WW2 when democracy was set up in the former axis powers mainly by the US, they went with a parliamentary system. Because they didn’t want to give one person so much power. But it was too late to change our own. And we got kinda lucky up till now that no one really went off the deep end. But here we are.
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u/EricPhilps1979 11h ago
Actual functioning democracies don't allow one person to wield that much power.
Being at the whim of a despotic gangster is more a feature of autocracy.
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u/romulus1991 11h ago edited 11h ago
Democracies, like all special things, need protection and nurturing. Citizens need to engage, participate and protect it.
The US example is what happens when you have a disinterested, uneducated population and no protections against the rich corrupting democracy as they please.
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u/the_need_for_tweed 11h ago
An educated populace resulting from disinvestment in public education, worth noting. It’s a shitshow all around
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u/The_Gump_AU 11h ago
Democracy isn't the problem... unrestrained free for all capitalism is.
The elite took control of the American government a long time ago. This is the result of allowing narcissists and psychopaths to hoard obscene amounts of money and letting them buy politicians.
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u/Dudedude88 11h ago edited 11h ago
THIS is it. We spend billions and billions on elections. The majority of think tanks and election predictors are made and paid by the Republican party. Theyve been using these models to try to win at all cost.
The amount of $$$$ we waste on elections alone could fund all our schools.
Also our lawmakers spend half their office just to pander for the next election and not write new laws.... Our president is focused on the election right now and not on our people. It is so messed up. The amount of money they are spending on government tax payers money is insane.
They recently found out we used millions of neutral election money to support Republican party. We only found out because trump was trying to put the general election money to his own media platform supporting the Republican party candidates. The corruption is insane....
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u/hull_pattie_party 11h ago
Democracy isn't the issue. The issue is that America particularly has an influence problem from oligarchs and corporations.
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u/blipblopthrowawayz 11h ago edited 8h ago
The smugness Americans had mocking French people as surrendering weaklings when they've rolled over so ridiculously easy so their country and freedoms are stripped away.
Absolutely astonishing how easily they've let their country fall.
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u/nonlawyer 8h ago
Aren’t the French about to vote in their own Russian stooges with Le Pen and friends? Same for the Germans and the Brits.
This problem is global. America is just Patient Zero.
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u/Stingray77_NL 12h ago edited 12h ago
Kremlin doing kremlin stuff.. they have threatened to release the Trump Moscow Hotel video’s again?
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u/Adavanter_MKI 12h ago
Jesus Christ... thankfully these projects take so long the current traitors will be out of office and we'll shut all this shit down. So much work to be done. It'll take decades if not life times to undo it all. I'm still sad that far too many Americans still don't see the magnitude of the problem. This has been historic levels of disaster for the U.S and some folks are still shuffling along like it's normal or overblown.
Sometimes I wish I were that ignorant so I too could just relax and not understand what all the fuss is about.
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u/SonOfLembitOpik 12h ago
“Traitors will be out of office” where do you get your optimism from?
I wouldn’t be surprised if dems did win eventually retake the office and then say “well we don’t look to the past we look to the future” then absolutely hold nobody accountable for the last 2 years.
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u/Beneficial-Strain366 11h ago
Yeah well of course they do that every time this shit happens. Then since they can't fix everything the other party fucked up in 4 years they get voted out of office. Then the whole cycle repeats again on and on we go.
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u/kettleboiler 11h ago
They don't care if they'll no longer be in office. The work will have been done to pipeline the crypto and other assets they've grabbed. The analogy I'm trying to get across isn't that they've got their fingers in everything - it's that they've grown their roots deep into it. They reckon that you're not going to be able to dig them out once they're done. Generational power, let alone wealth. And everyone is letting them do it while we watch the people that were voted in to control it are clutching their pearls as if they're powerless to do anything at all. It's infuriating that the supposed checks and balances are just pretend. All the jobs they were given are just titles and they don't actually fulfil any purpose. Politics is rapidly looking like a Punch & Judy seaside amateur show and the puppeteer can be seen far too obviously with their hands up the ass of the idiots we were offered up to vote for. We need leaders with teeth and nothing to lose to put these actors back in their box. There's no time left. I'm not even just looking at America and Russia as problematic. The whole world is full of leaders that are too comfortable with what they've got. We need more Zelensky's
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u/South-Stand 1h ago
Trump shits on longterm allies and friendly countries Canada, UK, Europe and binds the US to Putin’s Russia.
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u/Sardinha42 12h ago
I mean.. Its in your hands, americans. The only ones who can vote and manifest in numbers that matter, is the people who lives in USA.
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u/ki-01000 9h ago
What the actual fuck are Americans doing? Not even Russia's "allies" if you can even call them that, are as stoked about Russia as Trump is.
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u/saln1 12h ago
How soon before the US sells Russia offensive weapons?