r/wow • • 17h ago

Discussion As a cat owner I find it weird that rogue's stealth has a 2 second cooldown but feral druid's have a 6 second cooldown.

I would like to see a person hide under my dinner table as well as my black cat can. Feral devs must have never owned a cat.

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u/Lars_Overwick 17h ago

So you've found your cat hiding under your dinner table but you haven't found any of the people hiding under your dinner table and somehow your conclusion is that the cat is stealthier??

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u/DarenPeterOswald 16h ago

I've kicked out many people trying to camp out under that table.

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u/Pockydo 12h ago

That's what you think

Also we're out of milk

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u/tycoon39601 13h ago

And they say Perception racial is useless

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u/Synikul 5h ago

You only found the low level ones

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u/dreadplague 17h ago

Subtlety rogues have been heavily implied to wrap themselves in a shadow magic to become stealth so I like to think about it as a human using a cloak of invisibility to a cat prowling in the bushes.

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u/Trair 11h ago

Magical/high fantasy level stealth vs. "real world" camouflage/stealth

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u/SkittleDoes 10h ago

Well how else is a rogue going to stealth in a big open field or desert etc

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u/tommy40 9h ago

A ghillie suit for each environment.

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u/SkittleDoes 9h ago

Ok now jump around and stab shit with a full complement of adventuring gear, backpack etc, while wearing a ghillie suit

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u/merc08 8h ago

The ghillie suit isn't going to make any difference in difficulty if you're already able to carry and fight with all the crap in our bags.

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u/Trair 8h ago

there’s a few platforms made of like, raw light in some of the more cosmic raids. wtf! ghillie suit is a dr manhattan cosplay

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u/merc08 8h ago

And OP needs to be picturing a large lion-sized cat, not a tiny house cat 

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u/FeralPsychopath 10h ago

Except that “vanish” used powder like a magician originally. The shadow magic is a retcon.

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u/MSchulte 7h ago

Not sure why you were downvoted but it could be something along the lines of rogues learning to disappear without needing the flash powder because they can now wrap themselves in shadows. A lots happened since vanishing powder was removed, it makes sense that the rogue stepped up from street magic to actual magic at some point.

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u/dreadplague 6h ago edited 6h ago

True, they also had cloak of shadows the same time they needed flash powder though!

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u/BioDefault 7h ago

They hate them because they told the truth.

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u/No_Solid_9028 9h ago

Cats' stealth takes longer because Rogues doesn't have to knock things off the table first.

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u/DarenPeterOswald 7h ago

Even though none of my cats have ever done this I still think this is the best reason so far. I've seen all the videos, I think I just got really lucky with mine haha.

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u/3163560 12h ago edited 11h ago

I think the actual answer to this question is that it's a relic from original feral design (before the split) where bears were supposed to feel like an almost warrior and cats like an almost rogue, just not able to have the full toolkit of either.

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u/Th1s_On3 5h ago

Basically this yea. Jack of all, master of none.

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u/iRunLikeTheWind 3h ago

Yeah I mean, you could give druids 2 second stealth and vanish, and let them sap, etc why would anyone play a rogue

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u/Solarithia 13h ago

I’ve also always wondered why ferals don’t have some kind of a cheat death - ‘Nine Lives’ is right there haha

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u/SpiffShientz 5h ago

Instead they get all the other Druid stuff

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u/steathrazor 17h ago

I swear it's a vendetta against druids our flight form also takes forever to become available after leaving anywhere considered inside.

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u/bzmotoninja83 16h ago

Thats when you stop and start running again, instantly available

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u/ShardingIsBroken 16h ago

No no, there's better tech. Right as you exit press jump and you can flight form instantly while maintaining the free charge for lift up!

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u/LincolnL0g 13h ago

huge tech for my druid alts ty

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u/keirmot 16h ago

That’s been a thing since vanilla, you need to let go of movement. Say you’re pressing W when leaving an inn, if you stop pressing W and immediately press W again, you can travel form.

My educated guess is that the inside/outside check is done every few frames, but ignored while continuously pressing a movement key.

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u/MrNoobyy 16h ago

Yep, this is also why you can fly through buildings for a bit if you just use mouse and hold W. As soon as you hit try to turn with a movement key you instantly dismount.

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u/LincolnL0g 13h ago

famously for me my first thought is classic wow, stormwind flight master, reaching the flight master on my mount using that tech haha

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u/Frog-Eater 10h ago

Movement is client side, you need to tell the server you've stopped so flight is available. Just stop moving when the minimap switches to outside and you can fly instantly.

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u/Radius8887 4h ago

Weirdly enough if you just strafe straight left or right as soon as you exit a building it will immidately update. I've developed the habit of just tapping left strafe every time I walk outside

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u/Tharistan 11h ago

Most cats are not the size of the dinner table

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u/SurgyJack 13h ago

But a druid is just a person cosplaying as a cat

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u/LadyVanya26 17h ago

It's cause feral devs hate the spec, the game, the world, and themselves

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u/San4311 15h ago

You imply there is such a thing as a Feral dev. There is not. (They explicitly stated as much a few expansions ago, maybe somethings changed but I doubt that.

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u/TheFoxInSocks 15h ago

I feel like you’re implying that there’s a rogue dev to compare this to. I’m pretty sure the devs can’t work out where either spec is.

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u/Ixiraar 13h ago

The funny thing is there was a dedicated guy working on both those specs up until around Shadowlands at least and it was the same guy doing both rogue and feral.

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u/TheFoxInSocks 12h ago

So if nobody can find him, does that make him really bad or really good at his job?

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u/Ixiraar 12h ago

Well idk if he still works at Blizz but afaik he’s not the “rogue and feral Druid guy” there anymore.

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u/San4311 14h ago

Recent ''oopsie'' buff to Sub would prove that, yes.

(For those unaware, they accidentally buffed Sub a lot more than intended, especially in AoE, meaning its currently skyrocketed to be one of the best melee dps in keys).

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u/Remote_Cantaloupe 17m ago

I don't think dedicated devs have existed like that since Vanilla, at least from my memory.

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u/Trair 11h ago

flair related

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u/Gaatti 12h ago

I'm pretty sure they never owned a rogue either

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u/Madroxx9000 4h ago

It's that hybrid tax.

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u/TheGodMathias 12h ago

Feel like it's more like a guy trying to hide under your table and a panther.

However now I imagine gnome druids being housecats

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u/SkittleDoes 10h ago

Hybrid tax

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u/lostatthispoint 12h ago

Druids were always "kind of" another class but worse. However, because they're kind of 5 different classes they're supposed to combine to be more than the sum of the parts. Bear was kinda warrior but it had self heals. Real druids didn't stick to one form to maximize the usefulness of the class. Druids are a little but of everything but not wholly one thing.

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u/Drendari 13h ago

You druids want it all.

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u/DarenPeterOswald 7h ago

I actually wanted to make a joke about cats but a surprising amount of people see this as some sort of legitimate class commentary lol.

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u/Drendari 6h ago

Druids and other healers are natural enemies. Like tanks and druids. Or ranged dps and druids. Or rogues and druids. And druids and other druids.

Damn druids they ruined WoW.

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u/Lars_Overwick 4h ago

Fuck druids Fyrakk did nothing wrong #Xavius2028

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u/Nefras 12h ago

Yeah lets go make druid better at rogue than rogue great idea

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u/FeralPsychopath 10h ago

That kinda false equivalence is like saying a shadow priest and affliction should have different percentages for pandemic windows.

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u/AnR2Unit 4h ago

So you’ll give rogues your instant flight in exchange, right?

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u/SpiffShientz 5h ago

Give Rogue a battle res and we'll even it out

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u/Maximum_Effort07 14h ago

Wouldn’t it make more sense that a humanoid could hide better from another humanoid?