r/Anticonsumption • u/usernames-are-tricky • Sep 07 '26
Satire The Way Things Are Going
For the screen readers it says: "FDA Advises Meat is Only for Animal Cruelty Purposes, Not Consumption"
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u/Skill_Issuer Sep 08 '26
Did they always have to explicitly mark articles as satire?
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u/PuddingMent Sep 08 '26
Look at how many vegans are rampaging this post. Marking it wasn’t enough.
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
Unpopular opinion, you can’t be serious about anti consumption with out cutting down/out on the animal products
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26
More people need to know the impact of animal products on the environment.
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
Animal agriculture has spent a lot of money on hiding these facts, but i honestly feel like even if people knew most wouldn’t care or have the will to change
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Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 08 '26
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
Im the same. I wont say im vegan cuz people will get indignant if they even catch wind that you are. I wont discuss it in person with people cuz most of the time they will just ask about it to argue with you and justify themselves even when you refuse to say anything about it. I find the behavior so strange and best not to engage
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
I've found the opposite approach works better to instead it up more casually when it's relevant like it's the normal thing that it is. The conversations tend to eventually calm down over time with that
But I'm also generally good at not letting others get to me too much, so your mileage may vary
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26
Same, I only mention it if we’re ordering pizza or something and it naturally comes up. I never want to bring it up and make people think I’m being preachy, pushy or condescending.
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u/My_life_for_Nerzhul Sep 08 '26
What a twisted world in which we live where those doing the morally right thing have to walk on eggshells around those perpetuating an atrocity, injustice and oppression on a systematic and unimaginable scale…
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u/TheVeganPhysicist Sep 08 '26
You just need to learn to talk about it. If you start by finding common ground, this is less likely to happen. Whenever someone brings up veganism, or whenever I start to talk about it myself, the first thing I say is "Do you agree that animals deserve respect? Do you think it's possible to respect them if you're paying for products and services that exploit them?"
The victims of the animal holocaust depend on you speaking up. Learn how. Activism 101 - Anonymous for the Voiceless
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u/lovelysardines Sep 08 '26
Most people are already defensive just seeing you live your life this way. The discussions they want to bring up are usually in bad faith. Im not opposed to having a genuine conversation about it if they actually seem open or curious about it. I think just being healthy and living your life already does a lot to show people that it is possible and you’re not suffering or deficient from it.
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u/TheVeganPhysicist Sep 08 '26
Asking "Do you agree that animals deserve respect" in response to their question can completely change the course of the conversation. Try it.
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u/howareyouhaha Sep 12 '26
There's an activist i see on instagram who stands in public places with a sign that reads "i agree with animal abuse" or something like that. It gets people talking. Your into makes me think of that.
It kinda goes like this:
Do you agree with animal abuse?
No.
Are you vegan?
No.
So you pay someone to abuse animals.
....and the conversations go on. He does really well with it. I think he has great talking points, if anyone would like to adopt them.
(Except I can't think of his name.)
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u/TheVeganPhysicist Sep 13 '26
That's Cliff Grant. He's pretty good but he gets distracted a bit too easily.
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u/Badtacocatdab Sep 07 '26
You might want to look into the dairy and egg industry given that you care about animal welfare.
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u/cellmates_ Sep 08 '26
100%. I was veggie before I went vegan because I had no idea about the dairy and egg industries and how cruel they are 😔
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u/Deep_Argument_6672 Sep 08 '26
I went vegetarian this year and I found it kinda funny and ridiculous, but also sad with how many people got... protective? When you say to them that you quit it. Like they literally start bombarding you with "faxxx" about plant-based food actually being unsustainable compared to meat industry and that "it's out nature to be omnivores and it's stupid to deny that".
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u/PugsnPawgs Sep 08 '26
Very true. I finally made the switch after some people turned it into a social media trend to go green every March in my country (Belgium). It changed cultural percepties on meat, normalized veggie options in restaurants, then in supermarkets.
There's also been alot of talks about how consuming pork causes colon cancer in men, which resulted in less pork consumption.
As a result of these campaigns, I'm very light on meat (maybe once a month or so) and only eat fish or seafood every week or so. Most of it's being replaced by veggie alternatives or actual veggies and nuts.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
It takes time and repetition for most people to really internalize things. There have been plenty of people I thought were not going to receptive about it (and were not at first) who have started to actually change
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
For sure. I’d tried so many times though out my life and failed. I don’t know what finally made it click for me but I can’t unsee it at this point. I think it started with anti consumption tho and just being aware of what i consume
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
I unfortunately think you’re right. Whenever people find out I’m vegetarian the first response I get is, “that’s great, I could never stop eating meat”.
Edit, since I’m getting downvoted, I didn’t say I’m vegan because I still eat honey.
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u/GewoehnlicherDost Sep 07 '26
This response is just an auto-defensive reaction. It means that the person has had some inner conflicts about the topic but is not yet ready to change their habits. Honey kills ecosystems, btw.
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26
I only buy honey from local beekeepers. Like my neighbor who has a small hive that he grew. I don’t think I’m doing much damage with that?
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
Not who you are replying to, but honey production in general negative impacts on nearby ecosystems. The native pollinators do not produce honey
We found compelling evidence that honey bee introductions indirectly decrease pollination by reducing nectar and pollen availability and competitively excluding visits from more effective native bees. In contrast, the direct impact of honey bee visits on pollination was negligible, and, if anything, negative. Honey bees were ineffective pollinators, and increasing visit quantity could not compensate for inferior visit quality
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ecy.3939
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u/electricheat Sep 08 '26
Where do you live? If you're in an area where honeybees are native I don't think it's an issue at all, so long as you're ok with the treatment of the bees.
Just mentioning this since the other reply seemed to assume you're living somewhere where honeybees are an invasive species.
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 08 '26
I just double checked and Honeybees are native to my area
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u/electricheat Sep 08 '26
Baller. Yeah most of the arguments you'll hear are from people in North America where honeybees outcompete our native bees.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26
Your account talks about being from the US? Honeybees are not native to the US
EDIT: also studies have also found harm in Europe as well. It's not limited to where they are native
But recent studies conducted in Europe and North America seem to suggest that when honeybees are introduced into urban areas they can outcompete the wild bees.
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In Munich, an increase in hives in the surrounding area reduced the number of wild bees recorded between May and July in the city’s botanical garden. Similarly, in Paris, fewer wild bees were observed when more hives were introduced across the city. The findings were echoed in Montreal, which between 2013 and 2020 witnessed a twelvefold increase in hives from 250 to almost 3,000. Sites with the largest increase had the biggest drop in wild bee species.
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 08 '26
Oh, maybe they aren’t then, the ecological nature preserve in my city listed them as part of the ecosystem keeping the wetlands thriving. I thought they were. I can quit honey.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 08 '26
Studies have also found harm in Europe as well. It's not limited to where they are native
But recent studies conducted in Europe and North America seem to suggest that when honeybees are introduced into urban areas they can outcompete the wild bees.
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In Munich, an increase in hives in the surrounding area reduced the number of wild bees recorded between May and July in the city’s botanical garden. Similarly, in Paris, fewer wild bees were observed when more hives were introduced across the city. The findings were echoed in Montreal, which between 2013 and 2020 witnessed a twelvefold increase in hives from 250 to almost 3,000. Sites with the largest increase had the biggest drop in wild bee species.
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u/osamabinpoohead Sep 08 '26
A bee makes food for themselves.... not humans. Same with a cows milk. Its for their baby, again, not humans.
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u/Massive-Act6899 Sep 08 '26
Nor could I, honestly. I eat a vegetarian diet every day of the week but if I’m out I’ll eat meat, or on odd occasions I’ll buy meat to cook a specific dish.
I feel like most people think they could never be vegetarian cause they assume they’d have to totally abstain from meat. Truth is you can have a vegetarian diet 95% of the time and still eat meat when you fancy it or when it’s given to you. I only eat vegetarian cause of financial and health reasons, so I’m not a true vegetarian I guess.
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u/electricheat Sep 08 '26
You're within the range of what people I've met who call themselves vegetarian do. Though I didn't use it to describe myself when I ate in that manner.
If we need a term, something like flexitarian is probably a bit closer and avoids the "true vegetarian" debate.
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u/Enlightened_Gardener Sep 08 '26
Flexitarian, Meatless Mondays, Taco Tuesdays…. so many ways to shift a tiny bit of suffering out of the system.
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 08 '26
I advocate for people to do what’s best for their health. If that’s what works for you, that’s great! Don’t let the people in this sub shame you for your choices.
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u/SomeDumbGamer Sep 07 '26
Honestly ending the subsidies would do a huge amount to reduce how much we consume.
Seitan is real tasty and can be made into tons of stuff. It would not be hard for people to adopt it and soy as their main proteins with how many ways we can enrich foods these days. Meat would simply become a luxury like it always has been throughout human history. Something to be enjoyed on weekends and special occasions.
We could even breed cold hardy almonds that could be grown all over the continent. There are solutions if people actually want to apply them.
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
For sure, but at this point I’m banking more on innovation in the industry (i.e lab meat and precision fermentation) than relying on government and the general public.
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u/hopeful-homesteader Sep 07 '26
Yep and sometimes it takes generations. We’re working on being better so our kids can take it even further. Moving onto five acres this year and we’re going to be as intentional as possible with the food we eat!
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u/0202_tihssitidder Sep 07 '26
Go watch Dominion.
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26
I already don’t eat meat. I’d rather not watch something that will make me cry.
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u/Enlightened_Gardener Sep 08 '26
Nothing like a bit of trauma porn to gussie up the moral responses !
If you need to watch something like this to beat yourself up into becoming vegan, I would gently suggest you’re becoming vegan for the wrong reasons.
Being veggo is fine.
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u/osamabinpoohead Sep 08 '26
People should be confronted with what theyre paying other men to do to animals.
Considering the propaganda were fed from animal ag.
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u/the_inbetween_me Sep 07 '26
Every time I read someone say that AI is so bad for the environment, I always wonder if they eat meat. Because eating meat is exponentially worse for the environment. (oblogatory: yes, I hate AI too)
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u/electricheat Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
The main issue with AI is the scale of its use, and the centralization of the negative effects. The water and power is incredible for a given facility, but if you break it down by user it's a pittance compared to the pollution and waste created by other daily activities.
I get frustrated when people are extremely critical of a person engaging chatgpt for environmental reasons, when they would never question that person eating a hamburger, driving to see a movie, or playing a video game.
IMO people need to consider the overall impact rather than fixating on the 'right' and 'wrong' types of recreational/unnecessary consumption. Unless one is hardline and against all of it. That's cool too.
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u/Speculative_Human Sep 08 '26
How is playing a video game or watching a movie comparable to using LLMs?
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u/electricheat Sep 08 '26
Electricity/oil consumption, and therefore water usage and carbon output.
The gaming session is harder to pin down, as it's possible someone could be on solar. But the comment was assuming an average person who uses grid power.
There's a good argument for the social cost of LLMs, but I was focusing on the environmental angle.
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u/JazzOnaRitz Sep 07 '26
Ahh, acktually.
We don’t eat beef, but we eat a ton of venison that we harvest and process ourselves. Small asterisk.
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u/CosmicGoddess777 Sep 07 '26
And their impact on the animals
And impact on human health too
And don’t forget that violent crimes spike in areas immediately surrounding slaughterhouses (slaughterhouse workers also commonly have PTSD).
All in all, horrible for the planet, other animals, & humans ourselves. 😔 go r/vegan 🌱
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u/LadenWithSorrow Sep 07 '26
I’m aware, I was just focusing on one aspect since everyone already knows it’s cruel to animals.
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u/JohnnyRelentless Sep 08 '26
More people need to care about the impact of animal products on the environment.
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u/RohanSora Sep 07 '26
It's taken an incredibly long time but I think people are finally starting to admit this and that they fell for the prolific internet propaganda campaign against "annoying vegans"
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u/CosmicGoddess777 Sep 07 '26
Seeing the change in how people see veganism is one of the few things that’s giving me hope for this world.
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u/inky_cap_mushroom Sep 07 '26
Nowadays there’s so many good substitutes out there too
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u/cleanlycustard Sep 07 '26
For real. I don't even miss meat, dairy, or eggs. I've found a good replacement for all of them. When you change your diet, your cravings change too
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u/inky_cap_mushroom Sep 07 '26
The only time I ever miss meat is when I’m at an event with food and the only options are meat. It doesn’t happen often but it’s super annoying to just have to sit there watching everyone eat.
I also kinda miss sushi but there’s some good vegetarian sushi out there in bigger cities so I always treat myself when I’m out of town and I need to learn to just make it myself.
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u/cleanlycustard Sep 07 '26
I get that. The worst part is having a diet outside the norm. Hopefully one day vegetarian and vegan options will necessarily become more common
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 08 '26
One thing that helps is being more active about it when you can. Organizers only change things when people speak up about issues. Don't assume it'll happen on it's own. It'll happen when we and other around us help make it happen!
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u/wafflewrestler Sep 07 '26
100%. everybody is leftist/environmentalist/anti consumption until someone mentions veganism, the only movement that requires you to actually change your daily habits and not just circlejerk in the comments section
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u/lansink99 Sep 08 '26
It's crazy how quickly I see other leftist regurgitate right wing meat industry talking points the moment someone mentions veganism.
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u/Not_FinancialAdvice Sep 08 '26
100%. everybody is leftist/environmentalist/anti consumption until someone mentions veganism
...or forgoing that international trip, or not buying an SUV, or maybe living in denser housing than a single family home on like 10 acres.
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u/anonareyouokay Sep 07 '26
It's literally the only thing normal individuals can do to reduce their climate impact.
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u/CosmicGoddess777 Sep 07 '26
Veganism is the “single biggest way” to reduce your environmental impact— Oxford University study
I wouldn’t say it’s the only thing you can do to reduce impact, cuz every bit counts, & even vegans can still do other stuff to help the environment in addition to being vegan (like recycling, for instance). But being vegan is definitely still the biggest thing you can do.
I suppose the other biggest thing besides being vegan is choosing to not have children either, cuz those cause climate change & even more limited resources. Plus, humans are the most destructive species on this earth… we need to give the planet a break…
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u/lukamson_zioncic Sep 08 '26
Nah. You could bike/walk/use public transport for transportation (I realize rural areas/suburban sprawl exists), you could stop spewing out kids, you could decollate a CEO. There's a lot of normal stuff you could do.
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u/anonareyouokay Sep 08 '26
The point of that's all negligible compared to the carbon emissions saved by cutting out meat.
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u/lukamson_zioncic Sep 08 '26
Oh, for sure! I would argue my last one might come close.
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u/anonareyouokay Sep 08 '26
If you successfully manage to tax* a billionaire or CEO, then sure. 😭
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u/trytobedecenthumans Sep 07 '26
Also it's just murder. We don't NEED meat, we just want it, and we're willing to put sentient beings through fear, pain, terror, just because.
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u/lansink99 Sep 08 '26
The thing people hate the most about vegans is that they are right.
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u/uuntiedshoelace Sep 08 '26
I mean, a lot of them are absolutely not. Especially when confronted with questions about their personal ethics. But yes, the meat industry is destroying the planet.
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u/kdupe1849 Sep 08 '26
1/3 of the reason I gave up animal products is for the environment- land and water usage, carbon footprint, etc. The vegans always get mad at me whenever I talk about this, they're like "it's not a f***ing diet!!!", fun group of people
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u/lovelysardines Sep 08 '26
Same here. It makes sense they would say that considering they don’t see it as just a diet. Its a whole philosophy about not exploiting animals as much as practically possible
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u/kdupe1849 Sep 08 '26
Yeah but anytime I mention health or environmental benefits of veganism they get super angry, makes no sense to me.
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u/Not_FinancialAdvice Sep 08 '26
At this point, the cost of meat (beef, especially) is making lots of people unintentionally anti-consumption.
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u/lovelysardines Sep 08 '26
True but i think there’s a different mindset when you’re intentionally anticonsuption vs being forced into it. Like over at r/frugal they were complaining about the price of meat and i suggested letting go of it and using other cheaper forms of protein like tofu, seitan and tvp. People did not like that
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u/CharmingMechanic2473 Sep 07 '26
My pets are laying chickens. Way more economical than a dog. They make breakfast, mayo, hollandaise sauce, quiche, soup, eat pests, fertilize the soil, and companionship.
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u/sharbivore Sep 07 '26
you rescued animals so you can do to them exactly what they needed rescuing from?
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u/Pittsbirds Sep 07 '26
People really act like sticking a chicken in a backyard takes away the biological horror and health consequences of a bird being selectively bred to produce hundreds of eggs per year lol
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u/AceOfPlagues Sep 08 '26
People really act like backyard chickens don't typically live in remarkably better conditions than a fucking factory farm.
I understand your arguments, but I just think the alterative of euthanizing an entire species is grim.
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u/monemori Sep 08 '26
That's not the alternative. The real alternative is to stop breeding these chickens entirely and put the ones who already suffer this problems on hormonal treatment so they stop overlaying, like they do in sanctuaries (although that would mean little to no eggs! Suddenly no one wants to do that).
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u/Pittsbirds Sep 08 '26
The two options aren't "egg factory in a backyard or egg factory in a factory". It's "hey you know this domestic species that's inherently unhealthy for our benefit for a product we don't need to live? How about we just stop breeding it?"
People seem to understand this concept fine with pugs but then act like it's some great moral blight with chickens. Can't possibly be because it's easy to go your whole life without buying a pug from a breeder but takes effort to avoid eggs, I'm sure lol
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u/Shinonomenanorulez Sep 07 '26
And what are they supposed to do with the chickens?
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
Sanctuaries often give chickens medication reduce their egg-laying rate and let them eat their own unfertilized eggs at that reduce rate to regain the nutrients like they would in the wild
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u/Pittsbirds Sep 07 '26
Stop breeding them, stop buying them, stop buying things with eggs in them, and if available, use Suprelorin to reduce the astronomical risk of reproductive cancer and reproductive associated illnesses that come with egg overproduction like perorinitus and egg binding and calcium deficiency
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u/Popcorn57252 Sep 08 '26
Hard disagree. You don't have to be perfect to be serious about something.
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u/No-Weakness-2035 Sep 08 '26
Honestly I think this argument extends to just about all mass agriculture
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u/lovelysardines Sep 07 '26
Oh i saw the satire label. My point still stands tho
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u/oxJoKeR6xo Sep 07 '26
I think I replied to the wrong comment but I made a comment below along the same lines as you. A thousand years in the future I hope this would be true.
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u/Firefly_Magic Sep 08 '26
Published: February 38, 3027 what a wild year that’ll be.
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u/LabiaMinoraLover Sep 09 '26
Funny thing is, in the future they changed the calendar but they still haven't decided what to do about daylight savings time.
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u/HauptmannTinus Sep 08 '26
30 seconds of taste pleasure at the expense of animals life and suffering.
Why would anyone want to pay for that in 2026? -> www.watchdominion.org
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u/find-again Sep 07 '26
I wonder how cold hell will be if this ever for real gets said ahaha they'll try burning the lobby money first
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u/shreksprincessa Sep 08 '26
Your comments are great OP and I’m pleasantly surprised by the vegan support in the comments. That’s a win for reddit lol 🌱
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u/Miserable-Ear-4095 Sep 08 '26
Fda is probably going to turn them into data centres and ask why their is suddenly a 40% lose in food.
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u/howareyouhaha Sep 12 '26
Pig factories shutting down would directly increase the land available to grow food for humans.
(Corn and soy fields are used to feed pigs and other confined animals. If we don't have to feed the pigs, then we could grow crops for humans! Or rehabilitate the land. Plenty of options better than corn and soy.)
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u/OPFOR_S2 Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 08 '26
They are things that vegans and non-vegans may never agree on. But no matter how you look at it the current system is not only unsustainable, cruel, but also inhumane.
Chickens pumped with growth hormones and the like while never spending their time outside, without fresh air or sunlight. And I’ll question the sanity of anyone that tells me that says the quality of the meat is good.
Also, not to mention how much are the farmers themselves are exploited by big business.
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u/LaurestineHUN Sep 08 '26
No army is strone enough to enforce that ban on everyone.
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u/Retaeiyu Sep 07 '26
Banning meat would put millions of people’s food security at risk. Some regions rely on livestock because crops simply aren’t a viable replacement.
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u/My_life_for_Nerzhul Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26
I’m not sure if banning is the right approach. But we do need to heavily shift subsidies from animal exploitation products to plant foods. Making the price-differential heavily in favour of plant foods should automatically shift a massive portion of the consumer demand.
Additionally, 66-75% of cropland in places like the US and Europe are for animal feed. That’s grossly inefficient, wasteful and environmentally destructive. There is no need for any of this.
Marginal communities are not an excuse for the above. So we need to stop bring them up to justify the current horrific system. In fact, in even in favour of richer countries taking on the responsibility (financial and logistical) to ensure food security via improved access to plant foods for those regions.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
The number of crops needed are actually lower for plant-based diets
we show that plant-based replacements for each of the major animal categories in the United States (beef, pork, dairy, poultry, and eggs) can produce twofold to 20-fold more nutritionally similar food per unit cropland. Replacing all animal-based items with plant-based replacement diets can add enough food to feed 350 million additional people, more than the expected benefits of eliminating all supply chain food loss.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1713820115
The research suggests that it’s possible to feed everyone in the world a nutritious diet on existing croplands, but only if we saw a widespread shift towards plant-based diets.
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If everyone shifted to a plant-based diet we would reduce global land use for agriculture by 75%. This large reduction of agricultural land use would be possible thanks to a reduction in land used for grazing and a smaller need for land to grow crops.
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u/Retaeiyu Sep 07 '26
I didn’t say animal agriculture uses less land overall. I said some regions cannot simply replace livestock with crops.
Your own Our World in Data source explicitly says two-thirds of pasture is unsuitable for growing crops. Our World in Data
And the PNAS study you quoted specifically models replacing animal products in the United States diet and US cropland, not whether livestock-dependent communities in arid, mountainous, or otherwise marginal regions can locally replace livestock with crops. PNAS
The FAO specifically notes that pastoralists produce food in environments where rain-fed crops cannot grow. FAOHome
Plant-based diets requiring less agricultural land globally and some populations depending on livestock for food security are not contradictory statements. Both can be true.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 08 '26
But in practice pasture land is still using plenty of cropland too. Even "grass-fed" production uses plenty of supplemental grain. It's still a net loss
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u/Retaeiyu Sep 07 '26
Yes, some livestock are fed crops humans could eat, and reducing that can improve food efficiency. That does not mean all grazing land can suddenly become cropland or that livestock-dependent populations can simply switch to plants. The FAO says 86% of global livestock feed is not edible by humans, and millions of pastoralists rely on livestock in marginal regions where crop agriculture is unreliable or impossible.
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u/Not_FinancialAdvice Sep 08 '26
Searchinger, T., et al. (2018). "Producing Enough Food for the World Without Destroying the Planet." World Resources Institute / World Bank Group.
i think this is kind of interesting and wanted to do some reading. I found the other two papers you listed but can't seem to track this one down; Searchinger doesn't seem to list it on his publications page. Do you have a good link anywhere?
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u/Not_FinancialAdvice Sep 08 '26
The formal title "Producing Enough Food for the World Without Destroying the Planet'' was incorrect.
That explains it. I saw the other papers and thought I was missing something. Appreciate it.
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u/Retaeiyu Sep 07 '26
None of that addresses what I said. I did not claim livestock uses less cropland globally. I said some populations depend on livestock in places where crops are not a viable replacement.
Your defense of an immediate global ban is that the replacement food system would take years to become functional. I’m sure the people relying on livestock today will be thrilled to hear they can simply postpone eating until then.
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u/Retaeiyu Sep 07 '26
You’re still not addressing my claim. Do you agree or disagree that there are populations living in regions where local crop agriculture cannot adequately replace livestock as a food source? If you disagree, provide evidence for that specific claim. Global land-use efficiency and subsidy reform are not answers to it.
A Montana feedlot converting away from cattle is not evidence that a pastoral community in an arid region can do the same thing. Those are completely different agricultural systems.
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u/LaurestineHUN Sep 08 '26
The Nenets will feed them to the mosquitoes inbetween two meals of reindeer blood.
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u/Doobie_hunter46 Sep 08 '26
Radical opinions like this don’t help the conversation.
We need to drastically reduce the consumption of meat to levels that are sustainable and more ethical towards the animals.
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u/flesjewater Sep 08 '26
Murder is a legal term that doesn't apply to animals.
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u/Serious-Knee-5768 Sep 07 '26
Satire.
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u/TheRealTengri Sep 07 '26
Source? I can't find anything online backing up your claim that on February 38, 3027 the FDA did not give out this advisory.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
I think you forgot to check Wikipedia, got this definitely not edited screenshot right here
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
I think you may be on to something here. Though maybe while I wasn't looking the FDA issued a press release. Could always happen
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u/oxJoKeR6xo Sep 07 '26
Hopefully a thousand years in the future this will be true.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
u/remindmebot 1000 years
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u/oxJoKeR6xo Sep 07 '26
Send me a DM in 1000 years
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
I'll try to remember in 1000 years to do that
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u/oxJoKeR6xo Sep 07 '26
That's what the bot is for. Unless we outlive them. Which I'm sure we will.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
Yeah on a more serious note, it's tricky to even keep system running and preserving all data for like 20 years, so it'd be a big either engineering or organizational challenge to keep a bot running that long
Who knows if Reddit will be around for 1000 years
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u/oxJoKeR6xo Sep 07 '26
I wasn't unserious, I really hope humans last longer than this.
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
Guess we'll see in 1000 years and if there's a DM in 1000 years or not
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u/Distinct-Raspberry21 Sep 07 '26
Dont worry about that, trump is killing the us meat farmers or at least the large scale ones. Soon to be replaced by state run data centers
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u/usernames-are-tricky Sep 07 '26
Eh they still have a lot of influence on the government even if they don't like his mystery meat tariff plan. They are pushing for a farm bill in congress right now with a lots provisions in their interests. For instance, they are making yet another attempt to overturn California's proposition 12 (which sets already weak requirements about minimum space) federally
I should also note that large scale factory farms are the vast majority of meat farms around the US and the world
We estimate that 99% of US farmed animals are living in factory farms at present. By species, we estimate that 70.4% of cows, 98.3% of pigs, 99.8% of turkeys, 98.2% of chickens raised for eggs, and over 99.9% of chickens raised for meat are living in factory farms. Based on the confinement and living conditions of farmed fish, we estimate that virtually all US fish farms are suitably described as factory farms, though there is limited data on fish farm conditions and no standardized definition.[1] Land animal figures use data from the USDA Census of Agriculture[2] and EPA definitions of Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations.[3]
https://www.sentienceinstitute.org/us-factory-farming-estimates
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u/My_life_for_Nerzhul Sep 08 '26
Glad to hear “Trump is killing US meat farmers”. I hope it’s both large and small. Animal exploitation is an abominable stain on humanity. Data centres would be an improvement.
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u/0202_tihssitidder Sep 07 '26
By 2027, everything will be renamed America or Trump and 50 people will hold all money and assets. Everyone else will be dead or a rape slave. Only ribeye steaks will be eaten.
Conservative Nirvana.
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u/Massive-Act6899 Sep 08 '26
About time. Meat eating is WRONG. Good to see a step in the right direction.
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u/StartItAlready Sep 07 '26
February 38, 2027