r/AusLegal • u/Imaginary_Step_7471 • 2d ago
NSW Case of man refused bail for magic mushrooms. What would his likely jail sentence be given the severity of the charges?
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u/Honk911 1d ago
Putting up posters to sell drugs 🤦♀️
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u/magicseadog 1d ago
Might sound dumb but it's common place in Canada (posters for people selling mushrooms) and basically how prohibition of cannabis happened there. Basically the cops stopped policing the laws.
Should change the rules around psilocybin, you can't even get addicted to it (load knows I tried). If there ever was a harmless drug, this is it.
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
Far from harmless. Psychedelics might not be inherantly addictive, but they can be devastatingly harmful to some people.
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u/Vermicelli14 1d ago
To very, very few people
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
Nope. You cant actually make that argument. In the first instance, very few people have taken psychedelics in comparison to say something like alcohol, where we do have significant data to make broad statements about its harms. We dont have that depth of data for psychelics.
Having been a psychonaut for the better part of 40 years, having made and consumed copious amounts of DMT, and pocured and consumed stupid amounts of 2cb, 2ct7, lsd, 5meo, and a number of other lesser known psychedelics, they are not "harmless". People's minds are not impervious to lasting trauma from these experiences. Just b3cause you and your mates tolerate them well, doesnt yranslate to (paraphrased) "very few people would suffer harm if they were available to use freely".
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u/Asleep_Leopard182 1d ago
100% drugs are drugs, and they all have pro's & con's. Making them illegal is one argument, an interesting one, but everything has an impact and needs to be approached as such.
Part of the lasting issue with making drugs legal is accessibility breeds problem, particularly when used far too liberally or with poor knowledge of impact. Plenty of people have issue with psilocybin use - significant issues that can damage brain function & have lifelong impacts. This isn't a 'lack of knowledge' or insufficient data from population, it's in research & it's pretty clear. It needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.
Alcohol is again a fantastic one there - one of the biggest scourges on society, yet legal with restrictions, but people don't give it enough thought or consideration on use because it is so freely accessible & culturally ingrained. Everything has a pro & a con.
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
I didnt suggest that there is no data to prove potential for harm. My point was theres not enough data to claim that the potential harm levels are of an acceptable level or type that would warrant a legalisation of psychedelics. 5hese arguments ar3 completely different.
Appreciate youre broadly agreeing with what im saying, just making sure you understand the point im making more clearly.
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u/Asleep_Leopard182 1d ago
Yeah I didn't miss your argument dw, I was expanding on wider points around it.
Legislation is fickle, but it's not as if we don't have known levels of risk & harm as is either.
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
Im all for legalisation of substances less harmfull than alcohol, like cannabis, but i am always wary when people start thinking that other drugs fall into a similar category of harmlessness based on their own experiences. THOSE people need to get off the drugs lol
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u/Vermicelli14 1d ago
Sticking to psilocybin, the topic of the thread, we can safely say that harmful events are very rare.
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tell me you dont understand the study without telling me you dont understand the study. Would you like a blow by blow why this isnt what you think it is? Ill give you the big one - This study ONLY looks to assess " Adverse experiences resulting in emergency medical treatment". Thats a very specific and narrow frame of reference.
The researchers' primary outcome was whether somebody sought EMERGENCY medical treatment after using magic mushrooms. That is not equivalent to measuring whether somebody was harmed. Someone could experience substantial psychological distress, prolonged anxiety, functional impairment, or perceptual disturbances without seeking emergency medical attention.
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u/Vermicelli14 1d ago
I guess it's simply impossible to extrapolate information from one context into a broader context. It's a shame such studies are completely useless
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
Theyre not. Youre just trying to use a study to prove point that you've no business trying to prove.
If i wanted to understand adverse medical events specifically resulting in emergency medical trwatement as a result of psilocybin use, 5his would be the study.
The issue is is YOU are trying to fit a square leg in a round hole. Thats a symptom of you not having the academic chops to have this argument nor the capacity ro interpret the information in co text to the discussion.
Thats not the study. Thats you.
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u/ngali2424 1d ago
And covid was just a flu and then it's over forever. Nah, mate. Can be hard to shake.
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u/magicseadog 1d ago
Why reframe it to psychedelics your suddenly talking about a whole bunch of other drugs. I suspect you don't know much about psilocybin.
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u/One_Replacement3787 1d ago
Lol. Youre so far off the mark you have no idea. Maybe read theough the rest of the thread
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u/benjamininnit 1d ago
I think you can say psilocybin is ‘harmless.’ It might not be harmless to you but it adverse reactions to psilocybin can have major impacts on people’s wellbeing and mental state for long periods of time. That’s to say nothing of psychosis that it can trigger.
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u/Pauly4655 1d ago
Yeah nah I use to trip on mushies and a friend took them every day for about 3 months and he is one fucked up bloke from them
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u/Ok-Assistant-4556 1d ago
Not much different to the facebook pages. Just old school. What is interesting is that he put them up onalmost the opposite side of Sydney. Im sure he has them up elsewhere but police saw them in miranda and he was in Richmond
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u/badoopidoo 2d ago
Given how light mushrooms are, 750g of it is... huge.
You should speak to a lawyer about your situation, sooner rather than later.
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u/BangCrash 1d ago
The 750g was fresh, not dried mushrooms.
Thats a small shopping bag after an afternoon of picking.
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u/Curious_Breadfruit88 1d ago
Yeah the issue arises when you advertise said shrooms for sale. No one would know if you went picking and used them for yourself
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u/Asleep_Leopard182 1d ago
Yep, he's being charged for supply not possession.
Putting up posters around town does not suggest great thinking skills. I presume those posters, if they were picked up by cops, were pretty obvious in intent.
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u/fa-jita 1d ago
Putting posters up. Genius salesman.
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u/Visible-Progress6033 1d ago
Tbh, our laws are backwards. Shrooms have genuinely helped me get out of a rut before. Thry should be made legal
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u/middleofmybackswing_ 1d ago
The Drug Misuse and Trafficking Act 1985 says that 100g of psilocybin is a large commercial quantity. That kind of charge has a standard non-parole period of 15 years and up to life imprisonment. It can also come with a $500,000 fine.