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u/para_to_medic 13h ago
it’s not ‘unfortunate’ that he has accumulated this many demerit points, it demonstrates that he is an extremely bad driver who clearly has no regard for the road rules. honestly i hope the court requests a medical review of his license, because driving is a privilege, not a right
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u/Life-Goal-1521 13h ago edited 13h ago
Unfortunately he had his chance on the good behaviour to avoid losing his licence, and within a week he has committed another infringement incurring demerit points.
He knew the conditions attached to it.
There is a Special Hardship Order he can apply for
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 13h ago
doubt he would get it under these circumstances. He is working as a professional driver and the courts hold them to a higher level.
And having a stupidity expensive house and being the one that does the shopping will not fit it
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u/Unlikely_Trifle_4628 13h ago edited 13h ago
He probably should drive better if he does it for a living. Don't waste the courts time with this.
I will add to this. He has repeatedly lost points and was given a chance that he wasted within a week. He can't claim to be remorseful now.
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 13h ago
exactly. He can stay at home looking after his kids while the wife baby mumma goes out to work.
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 13h ago
he is stuffed.
If he cannot even last a week on good behaviour then he be should be off the road.
And I suggest they move and sell that very expensive house that they obviously cannot afford. $1000 a week on repayments when you only get rideshare income is ridiculous.
His wife/mother of his child can go out to work and he can look after the child. And shipping is not a valid excuse you need a licensed. Walk. Use public transport. Get a pushbike.
It is better for everyone if he is off the road because he is a very bad driver
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u/Middle-Spirit-8524 13h ago
If you don’t want problems you don’t break the law. Your dad knows that. Him being an immigrant, does the shopping and driving for a living are not an excuse to break the law. Many people drive for decades without any driving infringements.
Stop making excuses and stop believing the excuses. It’s a bad characteristic.
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u/Evil_Dan121 13h ago
On good behaviour licence for 1 week.
Performs illegal traffic manoeuvre.
Your parent is not going to get a lot of sympathy from the court or Reddit.
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u/tommygnr 9h ago
Are you really expecting a bunch of randoms on the internet who have likely all travelled in an UberX to advise you on how to keep your father, an objectively bad driver, on the road as an Uber driver?
Road rules don’t exist to raise revenue or give first generation migrants a hard time. They establish a set of expected behaviours to keep all road users safe.
Tell your dad to spend his licence suspension studying the road rules. His livelihood and our safety depend on it.
It is extremely concerning that he only lasted one week on a good behaviour undertaking despite everything he had at stake.
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u/No_Boot2009 13h ago
You can't just ask to be let off a ticket (for something you actually did) because it's inconvenient for your lifestyle.
Especially not if you already have a bad driving record.
There has to be consequences for committing multiple offences, and for someone in your dad's position he should be driving extra carefully, given his family's dependence on him driving. It's not his first rodeo and this continued getting pinged suggests a disregard for road rules that makes me think he either doesn't know them or doesn't think they apply to him, neither of which is great for public safety. The rules exist for a reason, as do the increasingly severe and cumulative punishments for breaking them. It's not feasible to expect different treatment to what anyone else would receive just because the consequences will have a more significant impact on his family - the onus is on him to protect his livelihood by driving legally, not on the court to let him off when he's been caught doing yet another thing wrong.
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u/Some_Troll_Shaman 12h ago
Well, you can ask for forgiveness for a minor offence and it may be granted if you otherwise have a clean driving record for the past 2 or 3 years, depending on state I think.
In this case the man is a serial offender, so no chance of forgiveness.
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u/Some_Troll_Shaman 12h ago
Umm, the Good Behaviour option IS the second chance.
The default is suspended license for 3 months, longer if the points total is 15+.
Your arguments are irrelevant in a court.
In fact what you are saying is that he is unable to understand how to drive legally or incapable of driving legally. It does not matter how good his intentions are when the reality is he is unable to drive within the law.
There is a slim to no chance that a lawyer could get this tossed and the cost of a lawyer would likely be in the thousands of dollars range. If you got really lucky the police officer made a mistake on the ticket and it would be tossed. It is incredibly unlikely given the circumstances that a magistrate would show any leniency for someone already on the Good Behaviour option for a points accumulation.
Throwing himself on the mercy of the court to ask forgiveness because he is deeply in debt and he and his family will become destitute is not going to go far when the evidence in front of the court, the continued points accumulation, is that he will not or cannot safely drive. That means he is a danger to all other road users.
FWIW there is no way he should have been approved for that large a mortgage too.
Not on a single gigwork income, at his age, with a non working wife and dependant children.
So there must have been some very creative accounting happening for the loan application.
This might lead one to believe that there is a pattern of deception.
The usual response is,
He should have thought about all those responsibilities before doing so many illegal things while driving.
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u/Visible-Swim6616 10h ago
It's really not that hard to follow the road rules.
Especially so if your job relies on your driving.
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u/GlobalizeReconquista 8h ago
I am 45 years old, have been driving for a long ass time by now and have never been fined for a driving offence.
If I can do it anyone can.
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u/sread2018 11h ago
The good behavior IS the second chance.
If a 65 year old grown man can learn from all those traffic infringement, then thats on him. Sounds like he is a menace on the road
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u/PhilosphicalNurse 5h ago edited 4h ago
The hardship application your dad needs to make is with the bank - for a temporary suspension of the mortgage repayments or interest only.
Your father already got the second chance here. If he is driving for a living, the failure to abide to the rules that caused him ANY demerits should have been a behaviour change / knowledge gap warning. When it got close to 10…. That should have been a kick up the ass.
The nature of this last infringement (on good behaviour) shows complete disregard for any of the penalties to date. A U turn is a manoeuvre that requires specific care and attention due to the interruption of expected traffic flow, even at clearly marked intersections that allow for a U Turn.
The underlying maps that Uber uses doesn’t suggest or encourage breaking road rules. This is purely an example of his disregard for the safety of others / entitlement that his time / his needs are more important than others. The nature of the offence makes it very difficult to explain away or plead for more leniency.
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u/HoodoGuru 7h ago edited 4h ago
If all bad drivers could all get off because of their family circumstances there would be a lot more deaths on the road. I think your father shouldn’t be driving on the road by himself let alone carrying paying passengers. He is a huge risk to everyone and I hope they give him a lengthy suspension. There is nothing in your post that your father accepts any accountability for his actions. Who gives a mortgage that takes them well past into retirement age in Australia on a sole income too as a ride share driver? The maths don’t add up here someone else is on the mortgage or they have a guarantor . I think you are leaving significant details out about your parents financial situation.
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u/redvaldez 13h ago
Either he makes an application for a special hardship order or he accepts the suspension.
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u/Noobhunterrrr 13h ago
How many chances does your dad need? He needs a question of fitness submitted against him.