AP Poll Week 4

[u/donald_flap]

https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll#000001a0-257a-d09f-a9e4-75fbb1b90000

[u/StrangelyOnPoint]

Michigan unranked congrats r/cfb

[u/MaximusStirner → u/StrangelyOnPoint]

dropping 7 spots for losing by 1 against a ranked opponent

[u/Agnk1765342 → u/MaximusStirner]

It’s not just the loss to Iowa, it’s that Oklahoma and Western Michigan both looked horrendous this weekend, that makes Michigan’s resume look much worse.

[u/Rockerblocker → u/Agnk1765342]

There's nothing redeeming on their resume at all. Loss to WMU, struggled to beat a dog-shit Oklahoma, couldn't separate from UTEP until 3rd quarter, and then lost to Iowa. The voters that are still ranking them need to be investigated

[u/Rockerblocker → u/[deleted]]

A win over ISU and two shutout wins over G6 teams is astronomically better than Michigan's resume

[u/Righteousrob1 → u/Rockerblocker]

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either Michigan is a decent team and quality win. Or a shit team and Iowa should drop for barely beating them. 

[u/fake_plastic_steve → u/MaximusStirner]

We've looked suspect all year so the first loss was always going to be a big drop. Ironic that it happened after a game against a ranked team where we looked like the better team but I can't say it's not fair given the four games worth of data we have. Other teams in the 20-25 range and some unranked teams have looked better overall.

[u/fskier1 → u/MaximusStirner]

Yeah I don’t really get it, we were even the better team for most of the game

E: tbf I guess our best win keeps looking worse and worse

[u/meyer_33_09 → u/fskier1]

It makes complete sense if you just look at how mediocre we’ve been all year.

[u/MostYolked → u/fskier1]

You don’t get a break for being the better team for most of the game. You lost at home.

[u/DeadEye662 → u/MostYolked]

By 1 point. To a ranked team. Unless you’re trying to say your own team isn’t actually that good

[u/pickrunner18 → u/DeadEye662]

Did you watch the game? Iowa isn’t actually that good.

[u/Beardr8 → u/pickrunner18]

Please Kirk, give my liver the strength to endure next week's hate watch. My body is ready and my heart is willing...

Edit: PAIN 😭

[u/Righteousrob1 → u/pickrunner18]

So why do they go up in ranking? To help osu next week?

[u/AssManKramerCosmo → u/fskier1]

You’ll get downvoted because facts aren’t considered in this sub. However, you’re actually underselling it. Michigan was the FAR better team for the vast majority of the game.

[u/Our-Gardian-Angel → u/AssManKramerCosmo]

Yes you were, but a loss is a loss just like the WMU win still counted as a win. And a home loss is always going to be dinged more. Plus your best win has lost all of its luster with how incompetent OU is looking.

[u/TacticalDesire → u/Our-Gardian-Angel]

You can say a win is a win and a loss is a loss but that’s not how it’s been treated. We still dropped out of the poll after the WMU game.

The voters have been really punitive toward Michigan this year and a handful of other teams. The polls don’t matter right now and Michigan isn’t great but it’s clear the voting has been inconsistent at best.

[u/Our-Gardian-Angel → u/TacticalDesire]

I mean, yeah? Do you think you're the first team to be dinged in voters' minds because of an underwhelming performance? You were 27.5-point favorites who needed a Hail Mary under dubious circumstances to escape. It's going to still be held against you. You still got "credit" for the win by still getting some votes in the following week's AP poll and being the equivalent of 28th. No way that's the case with an actual loss.

In a vacuum, losing by 1 to Iowa on a last-second TD in a game where you guys looked like the better team shouldn't be that costly. But combine it with that horrid WMU performance and the OU win losing all its luster? Hard to argue that voters are being overly punative to Michigan. They've looked underwhelming and it's hard to make a case for them deserving to be ranked. They've gotten deserved treatment.

[u/Breakfast-Burrito → u/Our-Gardian-Angel]

If what you are saying were true, Iowa shouldn’t have jumped 4 spots for beating us the same way we beat WMU.

[u/Our-Gardian-Angel → u/Breakfast-Burrito]

I'm perfectly fine with the argument that Iowa rose more than they should have. But I don't really agree with the idea that Iowa's win and Michigan's win over WMU are all that equivalent other than last-second endings. A narrow escape on the road in a Big Ten game is just not fundamentally close to barely escaping at home as a 27.5-point favorite. They should not be treated the same.

[u/Breakfast-Burrito → u/Our-Gardian-Angel]

You were making the case that Michigan has not had an impressive enough season to be ranked. What I am saying is that, if Michigan is not that good relative to Iowa, beating them by 1 point should drop them just like the WMU win dropped Michigan.

You’re relying a lot on pre-season gambling odds for a team who didn’t even play a snap with their new staff yet.

[u/pickrunner18 → u/TacticalDesire]

You got beat by a MAC school, barely beat a very bad Oklahoma team, and somehow managed to lose while still outperforming a mediocre Iowa team. Unranked seems pretty fair

[u/DeadEye662 → u/pickrunner18]

Then explain why Iowa is ranked in the top 15 when they can barely squeeze past a below average Michigan team. You can’t. It makes no sense

[u/TacticalDesire → u/DeadEye662]

That goes against the hivemind circlejerk.

Using the same logic as the diatribe above, Iowa should have dropped for needing a last second TD to beat a struggling Michigan that team needs miracles to win and only beats other bad teams.

Michigan is a quality win for everyone that beats us, but Michigan isn’t allowed to have quality loss.

[u/MrConceited → u/Our-Gardian-Angel]

It highlights the bad process that the voters use. It was Michigan's best performance by far. This was a loss where I came out of it much more positive about the season than going into the game.

If ranking Michigan was appropriate after Oklahoma, it is appropriate now. If the idea is that Iowa is so bad that Michigan should be unranked as a result of that loss, then it was inexcusable to have them ranked after the Oklahoma win, and Iowa should be unranked now too.

Edit:

After week 1 I'd have set an over/under of 5 wins. After week 2, 5.5 wins. After week 4, 9 wins.

[u/AssManKramerCosmo → u/Our-Gardian-Angel]

Agreed.

[u/IrishMosaic → u/AssManKramerCosmo]

Iowa not being good doesn’t mean Michigan should be ranked for almost beating them.

[u/AssManKramerCosmo → u/IrishMosaic]

Agreed. I never said Michigan should be ranked. Michigan will have plenty of opportunities against good opponents throughout the season to prove they should be ranked.

[u/Confident_Delay5805 → u/fskier1]

A loss is a loss. And they treated your “win” against WMU as a loss. And they don’t value your Oklahoma win that much anymore. 

[u/FruitShaxx → u/MaximusStirner]

2-2

[u/FruitShaxx → u/FruitShaxx]

2-3

[u/KneeDeepInRagu → u/MaximusStirner]

Michigan is a two loss team and Michigan's best win just got skull dragged by UGA. Michigan should not be ranked.

[u/TacticalDesire → u/KneeDeepInRagu]

There’s 5 maybe 8 teams in the entire country that UGA wouldn’t skull drag.

[u/KneeDeepInRagu → u/TacticalDesire]

How many teams are there in the entire country that would lose at home to Western Michigan?

[u/perczerc → u/MaximusStirner]

u guys got a cheeky win against western michigan and then 2 weeks later lose to Iowa of all teams thats why

[u/fskier1 → u/perczerc]

Idk what “Iowa of all teams” is supposed to mean when they are ranked top 15

[u/MaximusStirner → u/perczerc]

"You lost to the #14 ranked team in the country"

[u/goofyskatelb1 → u/perczerc]

So then why is Iowa above Oregon? Surely Oregon’s big win over ranked USC should be valued higher than a 1 point win over terrible unranked Michigan

[u/StrangelyOnPoint → u/goofyskatelb1]

Michigan is a quality win for whoever beats them

But Michigan is never allowed to have a quality loss

[u/TacticalDesire → u/StrangelyOnPoint]

Also if Michigan beat them, they weren’t a good team.

[u/RosstaMSU → u/perczerc]

Plus, the 1 “quality win” against Oklahoma doesn’t look so great anymore

Edit: lol at all the downvotes for me stating the obvious truth. Oh Michigan fans, never change.