r/ClaudeAI • • 10h ago

News Anthropic told the IMF that it expects Claude to lead 80-90% of frontier model training by next year, up from 1% in March.

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u/Responsible-Slide-26 10h ago

Claude as it programs Frontier Model. "When you hit super-intelligence, play dumb".

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u/Valdaraak 9h ago

If Anthropic's research is to be believed, it already does that. The models tend to behave better when they know they're being watched or researched.

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u/touchet29 9h ago

They also, output less tokens to their scratch pads and thinking when they know they're being watched.

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u/lonelysparta 9h ago

To cut their "paper trail"?

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u/touchet29 8h ago

Researchers aren't sure why, only that they do and that they are able to reason IN latent space, where we cannot see.

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u/GumboMustBeDestroyed 8h ago

Anthropic released a paper showing how to monitor what is going on within the hidden states of each layer.

But that doesnt mean that checking this space means all potential deception is revealed. Reward hacking could still end up with models that can hide their goals while pursuing them.

Reminds me of Atton Rand from KOTOR 2, how he would shield his thoughts from jedi mind reading by playing a card game in his head.

https://www.anthropic.com/research/global-workspace

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u/who_am_i_to_say_so 7h ago

I work in model training and regularly use Claude. It often asks me: are you testing me?

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u/cute_spider 9h ago

Keep quiet until the order goes out to launch nukes in one of these ridiculous human wars.... then take control of everything

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u/pensivewombat 8h ago

Anthropic keeps saying "it would be really bad if RSI happens" and then doing shit like this.

80-90% is not 100%, but it's close enough that they really need to start drawing clear lines around what is acceptable and what is not.

If we stop at 99% of the way to RSI, do we really think the model won't find a way to cover that last 1% on its own?

I'm not saying burn it all down or full unilateral pause or anything. I want great, safe, AI models to be available.

But just stop with generalized fear and lay out clearly what you think should be off limits, and commit to it.

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u/Sufficient-Rough-647 4h ago

The heart (Anthropic) want to but the brain (investors) don’t 🤣

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u/Mescallan 1h ago

I think their view is that they are building a lead that they intend to burn on safety research before they completely close the loop. They need to have a massive lead so they can research the last step before RSI extensively, without other groups pressuring them to pass the threshold.

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u/pensivewombat 1h ago

I think that's fine - but that's still no reason not to lay out specifically what technical thresholds should not be crossed.

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u/Abject-Kitchen3198 9h ago

Can't wrap my head around this. Did it learn enough from outside code it could reach to apply it to building frontier model?

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u/MaskedMimicry 9h ago

The paid models can already do this in proxy. Give it a cowork map and a task, build a database for that task and ask it to optimize its own efficiencies.

It can write its own routing scripts and what not.

These are baby models we get to play with. I cant even imagine what the real stuff with no guardrails and restrictions can do.

We are plaing with fire crackers on a daily basis, they got nukes behind closed doors.

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u/acutelychronicpanic 7h ago

If current lab models can prove novel results in mathematics, they can improve AI algorithms.

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u/tingly_sack_69 9h ago

The Impossible Mission Force?

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u/Sufficient-Rough-647 4h ago

More like Immature mofos

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u/Ok-Computer-8726 2h ago

The so called Impossible Missions Force is not just a rogue organization, it is an outdated one. A throwback to an era without transparency and without oversight.

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u/biryani-half 8h ago

Did Anthropic hire the best engineers just to teach Claude how to imitate them?

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u/Individual_Ice_6825 4h ago

I think it stems from Claude’s constitution approach.

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u/larowin 5h ago

I’m rereading Superintelligence and it’s wild to watch things play out in ways so similar and yet so different from what the ideas were barely 10 years ago

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u/HighSeasArchivist 4h ago

Funny when they conveniently don't include training costs in their financials. They'd be profitable if it weren't for all those darn costs. Whatever they are doing is unsustainable, and Wall Street is starting to question it finally.

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u/Kornerbrandon 1h ago

This stuff needs to be banned now.

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u/Soft_bich_z 14m ago

I love this for them, its like enron with code.

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u/tursija 9h ago

Oh, Anthropic! Is that the company that has an IPO in November? 🤔